Like Meath in 2010 full of confidence after they defeated the Dubs and Louth, roared into the quarter final, and then oh no they met a scarred Kildare team and Meath were somehow easily beaten by the 'fitter' kildare side. If only Kildare had a few footballers and one Rugby player they might have won a leinster.

jonno (Kildare) - Posts: 261 - 17/06/2014 15:40:20    1605128

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Still not enough though is it? or is a few quarter finals and a semi and no major silverware bragged about down in Kildare?
That weight lifting must be going to yer heads :)

Obviously it wasn't enough or McGeeney would still be in charge I assume.

It mightn't be what some would consider successful but then again success is all relative.

Look at our record before McGeeney took over; defeats in Leinster to Laois (by 12 points in '05) and Offaly (in both '04 and '06) and beatings in the qualifiers to Derry (9 points in '06) and Sligo (with 14 men in '05) all teams we subsequently had a good record against under McGeeney. I think we only won one qualifier match up until he took over. Old ground though so I suppose there's no point debating it with some people.

Imagine Offaly or Longford coming along though and reaching a few quarter finals or coming within a kick of a ball of an All Ireland final, surely that'd be considered a success? After all, measure it by where you've come from, not where other people expect you to go, and again it's all relative.

I mean if it's all about weights then why aren't the s**t counties (for want of a better phrase) just focusing on that?

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3691 - 17/06/2014 16:07:16    1605158

Mcgeeney had the best bunch of players since O'Dwyer, and outside of Kildare it is believed that he wasted that.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 17/06/2014 18:07:14    1605227

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Mcgeeney had the best bunch of players since O'Dwyer, and outside of Kildare it is believed that he wasted that.

Alas none of them were natural.

McGeeney had a bunch of "over hyped talentless gym monkeys" did he not? Your own words there...

if_in_doubt (Kildare) - Posts: 3691 - 17/06/2014 18:25:33    1605237

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Beautiful.Meath
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Still not enough though is it? or is a few quarter finals and a semi and no major silverware bragged about down in Kildare?
That weight lifting must be going to yer heads :)

Obviously it wasn't enough or McGeeney would still be in charge I assume.

It mightn't be what some would consider successful but then again success is all relative.

Look at our record before McGeeney took over; defeats in Leinster to Laois (by 12 points in '05) and Offaly (in both '04 and '06) and beatings in the qualifiers to Derry (9 points in '06) and Sligo (with 14 men in '05) all teams we subsequently had a good record against under McGeeney. I think we only won one qualifier match up until he took over. Old ground though so I suppose there's no point debating it with some people.

Imagine Offaly or Longford coming along though and reaching a few quarter finals or coming within a kick of a ball of an All Ireland final, surely that'd be considered a success? After all, measure it by where you've come from, not where other people expect you to go, and again it's all relative.

I mean if it's all about weights then why aren't the s**t counties (for want of a better phrase) just focusing on that?

well i was being sarcastic about the weights just in case you didnt pick up on that ;). If we made it to a quarter final this year would I call it success? not the first word that would come to mind but the word I would be more inclined to use is progress. Nobody remembers the team who only reached the quarters teams strive for more than that and until your winning AI and contesting provincial titles every year your not no matter what team you are or how fit your are. As for the weaker teams thats a debate for a different thread I suppose. But what really gets me is people asking how fit Meath are and if they will be able to take this new kildare team and some mystic megs who are saying they will definitely win easily, I am all up for a bit of confidence but I think people need to look at the bigger picture here and maybe face facts that Kildare and Meath are not worlds apart.

Beautiful.Meath (Meath) - Posts: 537 - 17/06/2014 18:49:53    1605243

Why are people still talking about McGeeney? Ryan is building a new team. It might take them a while to get back to being a regular August team but they have every chance. There is emerging talent there particularly in the forward division for the first time since Doyle, Fennin, Sweeney and Brennan burst onto the scene together.

This Meath game will be the toss of a coin. Kildare are more inexperienced but Meath have quite a few injuries. I would not be surprised if Meath were a few points too good. I just hope the reaction from the Kildare support is not OTT if that happens. There's nothing to stop Kildare doing some damage in the qualifiers.

beir_bua (Kildare) - Posts: 746 - 17/06/2014 18:57:48    1605248

If in doubt. Mcgeeney turned them into gym monkeys. Ryan been a real football manager is trying to. Rectify that. It will take time. There is none so blind as those that don't want to see.
That's my final word on this. Time to concentrate on the game in hand and not on a man who is gone

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 17/06/2014 19:44:59    1605268

Is this a meath v kildare thread or a geezer v ryan one ?
Stick to matters at hand.

foreverroyal (Meath) - Posts: 349 - 17/06/2014 20:20:05    1605284

Can someone be our rivals again please? No one wants us as there main rivals anymore. Kildare v Meath is the big rivalry in Leinster now.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 17/06/2014 20:57:20    1605301

As I said back in March on a posting re:Galway footballers, royal dunne's 'I will make no comment on management as that is an internal matter and no one else's business' is the most unintentionally hilarious comment ever on hogan stand.com.

KildareKelly (Kildare) - Posts: 593 - 17/06/2014 21:07:53    1605308

I have to disagree with Foreverdunne as regards the McGeeney being a bad manager debate. Remember between 2004 and 2008 Kildare won one match in the Leinster championship. They were near the bottom of the pile in Leinster.

McGeeney took players from that 04-08 period (Johnny Doyle, Eamonn Callaghan, Mick Foley, Kevin O'Neill, Ronan Sweeney, Hugh McGrillen, Alan Smith and Padraig O'Neill to name a few) and made them competitive. They came ridiculously close to an All-Ireland Final in 2010.

They were far from a great side but they were decent and McGeeney made them competitive with essentially a lot of the players who had been so used to losing. Nobody can claim McGeeney is anything special but he certainly ain't the bad manager that he is been painted as.

Looking ahead to this game, Kildare are coming in under the radar. By that I mean they have not attracted a fraction of the attention as in the past. I think this is going to have a positive affect maybe not straight away but I think there is evidence there that they are playing with more freedom. Nobody in Kildare should get carried away but there is plenty of scope for improvement with many young players now in their second full season.

Meath are an improving side too but I think have more to lose than Kildare in this match. A loss for Meath will leave a lot of questions, a win will be a relief more than anything else.

I really think this is a 50/50 game with lots of potential in both sides. There is also lots of unknowns some of which may get put to the test in this game. I also happen to think the winner of this game will be in a great position to give Dublin or Wexford a fright in the final.

Former_Poster (Meath) - Posts: 394 - 17/06/2014 21:38:39    1605328

' Can someone be our rivals again please? No one wants us as there main rivals anymore. Kildare v Meath is the big rivalry in Leinster now.'

Still meath, kildare can't beat dublin, the odd win once every 15 years maybe. Meath are dublin's rivals when they are strong, when meath are weak, dublin have no rivals in leinster. Dublin don't even have a challenge in leinster right now! the winners of kildare v meath have to see if they can get within 8 points of them, i doubt it.

Kildare v meath is the most interesting game in leinster because they are so evenly matched,50/50.

switec (Kildare) - Posts: 525 - 18/06/2014 08:45:49    1605345

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1605345 ' Can someone be our rivals again please? No one wants us as there main rivals anymore. Kildare v Meath is the big rivalry in Leinster now.'

Still meath, kildare can't beat dublin, the odd win once every 15 years maybe. Meath are dublin's rivals when they are strong, when meath are weak, dublin have no rivals in leinster. Dublin don't even have a challenge in leinster right now! the winners of kildare v meath have to see if they can get within 8 points of them, i doubt it.

Kildare v meath is the most interesting game in leinster because they are so evenly matched,50/50.



I think everyone gets that. You have practically said in your previous 5 or 6 posts. Ok you may be realistic but your posts come across as extremely negative.

batterburger (Cork) - Posts: 161 - 18/06/2014 09:21:05    1605356

McGeeney took players from that 04-08 period (Johnny Doyle, Eamonn Callaghan, Mick Foley, Kevin O'Neill, Ronan Sweeney, Hugh McGrillen, Alan Smith and Padraig O'Neill to name a few) and made them competitive.

McGeeney is not a bad manager but I fail to see how he made the players above competitive. Doyle and Roley both already had Leinster medals. The rest (with the exception of McGrillen it must be said) all had Leinster Under-21 medals and in Smith's case only played in the All-Ireland Under-21 final in 2008.

Of course the previous management had most of this talent available to them also and were getting nowhere so McGeeney deserves credit for dragging us out of the dark ages at senior level in terms of preparation. Also in terms of motivation, mental and psychological coaching he was brilliant, the players would've died for him. But tactically he was maybe just a bit lacking, fine margins, nothing massive but he did make some decisions which in hindsight are judged badly.

But, Seanie Johnston aside, he left us in a much much better place than he started with and of that there can be no doubt.

doublehop (Kildare) - Posts: 4172 - 18/06/2014 09:32:22    1605363

This is probably the most interesting fixture in Leinster at the moment. But I assure you no matter who wins they will feel they can take Dublin

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 18/06/2014 09:37:28    1605367

I agree with Doublehop about McGeeney. People seem to forget that Kildare were almost one of the worst teams in Leinster when he took over.He improved them over the years of his management,that cannot be denied,it is there for all to see.However it is possible that Ryan had take the Kildare team further,with a different style and fresh batch of young players.
Some compare Micko's team to McGeeneys team,but over Micko had better players, a lot more great players on that team.Remember that team beat some top teams of that era.They beat an All-Ireland winnning Meath side,and a Kerry side who won the All-Ireland the previous year..

ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 18/06/2014 09:41:10    1605371

Roayaldunne

Honestly cannot see either team beating Dublin.Both teams missing players,that are important players,you need a ll your best players available to have a chance

ziggy320001 (Meath) - Posts: 2432 - 18/06/2014 09:42:51    1605372

That's it royaldunne, whoever wins between us two certainly should believe that they can beat Dublin and why the hell not, every team no matter how good they are, can be beaten.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 18/06/2014 09:49:15    1605376

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This is probably the most interesting fixture in Leinster at the moment. But I assure you no matter who wins they will feel they can take Dublin

The winner of this game is in an excellent position.

Their tails will be up and they'll go into the Leinster Final full of confidence with nothing to lose.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13833 - 18/06/2014 09:52:47    1605378

Very defeatist there Ziggy. OK you may be right, but as Kevin Reilly said what's the point in playing if that's the attitude. ?? Either county will go into game gunning for Dublin and let's be honest so will Wexford.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 18/06/2014 10:05:28    1605385