hurlingdub

Be interesting to see viewing figures. Would rather have eyes poked out with rusty spoon than watch Ulster rugby league


Please go ahead

Armaghgeddon (Armagh) - Posts: 539 - 15/06/2014 19:17:49    1604055

I think the black card is turning into a disaster. The reasons for bringing it in are sound but players and teams are beginning to abuse it. In Tyrone vmonaghan it was obvious the player in possession on countless occasions grabbed the arm of the tackler and dragged vthen down in an attempt to get them black carded. It is impossible for referees to judge and they only see the incident once and have to make a split second decision

NorthKildare (Kildare) - Posts: 197 - 15/06/2014 19:50:20    1604081

hurlingdub
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1604051 Be interesting to see viewing figures. Would rather have eyes poked out with rusty spoon than watch Ulster rugby league.

Hang on until I get you that spoon.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6185 - 15/06/2014 20:01:57    1604089

The reasons for bringing it in are sound but players and teams are beginning to abuse it.


As Cilla Black used to say, surprise surprise!

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8812 - 15/06/2014 20:11:40    1604099

Make sure you post a link hurlingdub.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 15/06/2014 20:59:06    1604129

Players have been holding the defenders arms in around them for years in both football and hurling and nobody was saying boo but now it seems people want to complain about anything in the game.
Yet the supposably biggest sports tournament in the world
Only a few days on and it has had more referee problems than the entire year in Gaa and only a few minutes ago they couldn't even use Hawkeye without being confused if it was it wasn't a goal.
You won't here them put their sport down so why do people constantly put our games down

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 15/06/2014 21:20:16    1604145

You are right hill, GAA people tend to be overly critical of the rules, referees, Association etc when in reality we have 2 wonderful games that provide excellent entertainment every summer. However, this does not mean that the problem of diving (cheating) should not be addressed. I always feel that an inter-county team, its management and its supporters are a reflection of the county as a whole. That is why I am always surprised that so many people are happy to have divers/cheats represent them and wear their county jersey. Or why counties are happy to have management teams who will blame a referee after every defeat, rather than just accepting that their team are not up to the required standard and more work is required at all ages to produce better players from their county to compete. Thankfully diving is not yet a problem countrywide, there appear to be county teams where this behaviour would still not be accepted, but there is no doubt that in hurling and football it is a growing problem. It is not something referees can really deal with as cheats tend to be fairly convincing, instead it is up to gaels within each county deciding that they do not want the reputation of their jersey tarnished by such behaviour.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 16/06/2014 09:33:07    1604223

Black card is definitely the reason. It's (kind of) gotten rid of one form of cheating but brought in another.

CaisleanCnucha (Dublin) - Posts: 1379 - 16/06/2014 11:15:47    1604338

Why are more players not being black carded for diving? It's a foul and it's cynical. Do the rules state that a black card can only be for a collision where a player is physically impeded?

If the diving keeps up The Sunday Game could have a slot where the analysts rate the dives with scorecards for artistic merit and degrees of difficulty.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8184 - 16/06/2014 11:32:28    1604354

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1604354 Why are more players not being black carded for diving? It's a foul and it's cynical. Do the rules state that a black card can only be for a collision where a player is physically impeded?

If the diving keeps up The Sunday Game could have a slot where the analysts rate the dives with scorecards for artistic merit and degrees of difficulty.



Diving is not a black card infraction. "To attempt to achieve an advantage by feigning a foul or injury" (includes diving) is a yellow card. Pulling the opponent down with you is a black card.

Torcaill (Australia) - Posts: 204 - 16/06/2014 12:09:21    1604404

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1604051 Be interesting to see viewing figures. Would rather have eyes poked out with rusty spoon than watch Ulster rugby league.

Yeah, just go ahead and keep not watching it and making conclusions and generalisations.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12466 - 16/06/2014 12:20:35    1604415

Cheers Torcaill. Maybe they should make it a black card offence. If they can outlaw the Nash penalty that quickly surely it just needs notifying all referees to change that rule?

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8184 - 16/06/2014 12:57:43    1604439

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1604439 Cheers Torcaill. Maybe they should make it a black card offence. If they can outlaw the Nash penalty that quickly surely it just needs notifying all referees to change that rule?


No problem. The 'Nash rule' was only an interpretation of the rule. Changing diving to a black card would require a rule change at congress - so we are stuck with it as it is for the moment.

Torcaill (Australia) - Posts: 204 - 16/06/2014 13:08:48    1604453

I noticed the Dublin hurlers and Tyrone footballers doing a lot of it. Surprised to see the hurlers doing it but not at all surprised with Tyrone.

I presume it's been happening in other games I've missed.

Jack_Goff (Meath) - Posts: 2920 - 16/06/2014 17:08:59    1604637

Sean Cavanagh and Tyrone have become the biggest lightning rod for discussion in Ireland. Some of you people really do disgust me, anything he or the team does is wrong and seems to undermine the beauty of the game. It's been a 3-4 year process. The length it took for a keeper to take a free only became an issue when Morgan started doing it, the black card is basically in the game because of Sean Cavanagh's tackle last season (which any smart player would have done) and now this absolute nonsense about him diving. He sees smaller Monaghan players and a limping Conor Mc Manus getting frees for challenges he was taking and not getting frees because he wouldn't go to ground, what do you honestly expect him to do....why did Tyrone come so strongly into the game at the end out of no where. Cavanagh's smarts changed the game, this is a much bigger man than the average GAA player of course it's going to take more to bring him down. A foul is a foul whether the player ends up on his ass or not it's the refs fault he only see's a foul if the player ends up on the floor. Darren Mc Curry was fouled many times and yet how many frees was he awarded...not many and all because he was staying on his feet and getting shots away. I'm biased but this is true...Monaghan still deserved the win they played much closer to their potential did, well done to them I have a feeling they played their All Ireland final yesterday though they didn't look like a team who'd made an Ulster semi final. Dick Clerkin was almost in tears!!

Seansy48 (Tyrone) - Posts: 237 - 16/06/2014 18:04:43    1604663

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1604338
Black card is definitely the reason. It's (kind of) gotten rid of one form of cheating but brought in another.

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No it's not. Joe McMahon was booked in the quarter final in 11 against Dublin for arm clamping. SON got a Dublin player booked in the second half of the same game doing the same thing. It's clearly a planned tactic and premeditated action on the player's part each time. It's up there with feigning injury, holding your head when you're clipped on the ankle for example, as an absolute curse on the modern game. I don't buy into, 'every team is at it either'. Where's the evidence of that? Yes every team can drag players down when the clock is running down, let's face it Dublin are as good as anyone at this and I will never defend it but that's why the black card came in. This diving and feigning injury is something else though and needs to be sorted ASAP for the good of the game or fellas will start giving other fellas a good reason for going down.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4748 - 16/06/2014 18:27:24    1604678

Now if only there were a few more astute observers of the game like Colm who were prepared to stand up to the RTE mafia, we may actually have room for proper debate as opposed to endless critique and cheap soundbites. Well said Colm and also Jarlath Burns who has been taking Brolly down several pegs yesterday on Twitter. Now cue the Brolly fan boys!

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brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 18/06/2014 08:37:17    1605340

I saw this from Parkinson and still don't know what he is going on about. How is a defender expected to dispossess an attacker unless he puts his arm in to knock away the ball when the opportunity comes. As long as Hughes was not pulling at Cavanagh or impeding his progress in any way then he can have his arm wherever he likes. By Cavanagh grabbing Hughes' arm and pulling him to the ground he is conning the referee into believing that he had been fouled, which is clearly cheating. While the RTE boys may enjoy the controversial statement, Parkinson seems to have set himself up as the lad who opposes everything they say, whether that be right or wrong. To defend what Cavanagh done on Sunday legitimises attempts to cheat, and that is much more damaging for the game than anything the RTE boys might say. It is the same as in soccer where a guy falls to the ground holding his head after brushing his face against an opponents hand - most say it is diving but you will always have people saying 'well what was the defenders arm doing there'.
And while Cavanagh is a fine footballer I don't think anyone could put a serious argument forward that he is the best of his generation like Parkinson suggests - the increased levels of diving and fouling he has got up to in recent years only makes this more certain.

Soma (UK) - Posts: 2630 - 18/06/2014 09:25:51    1605361

Lets face it, Cavanagh was being fouled before he grabbed Hughes' arm, Hughes was practically giving him a higgyback!

benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1435 - 18/06/2014 10:23:10    1605402

Come on now benjyyy, you know statements like that just doesn't fit with the current narrative!

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 18/06/2014 10:46:05    1605409