So we have a new rule now lads in the GAA, apparently there's a rule that the home team stands next to the stand when lining out before a parade. Anybody care to post evidence to support such a nonsense claim, a prime example of a "make it up as you go along" argument. I'm sure we'd all like to see it wouldn't we?

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1071 - 09/06/2014 16:11:46    1600860

bumpernut
County: Antrim
Posts: 661

1600805
I agree Naysayer, too many Ginny Annes on here!

Go away and play hockey/soccer if you want non contact sports!

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The problem with it is that the sport hadn't started when the contacts were made. How some people come on here and try to dismiss this as a nothing event is beyond me. A young girl in the band was nearly clobbered at one point and an Armagh supporter punched a Cavan player on the head at one stage. Shocking scenes it has to be said. Where's Ulsterman? No doubt he'll be banging on about anti-Ulster coverage in the southern based media. In fairness between yesterday and Cavan's U21 post match performance, there's plenty of ammo there.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4746 - 09/06/2014 16:15:01    1600864

Joxer
County: Dublin
Posts: 1619

Where's Ulsterman? No doubt he'll be banging on about anti-Ulster coverage in the southern based media. In fairness between yesterday and Cavan's U21 post match performance, there's plenty of ammo there.

Compounded by the complete lack of anything remotely negative outside the province.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12408 - 09/06/2014 16:27:09    1600872

Look on the day the more hungry team did win the game, Marty was poor for both teams over 70 minutes. However we feel very aggrieved about what happened beforehand. Both teams will end up being fined and thats all GAA will do!!!! Wait til you see. The same fine for both counties even though

1. Armagh deliberately lined up behind the Cavan Flag
2. An Armagh supporter was clearly seen to hit Fergal Flanagan
3. Martin Dunne has sustained a double fracture. (contrary to "he probably fell" posts on here).

cavan97 (Cavan) - Posts: 369 - 09/06/2014 16:38:23    1600884

ballydalane

As a GAA fan I find these incidents embarrassing. I can think of no other sport where there would be a mass brawl BEFORE the actual event, never mind during it.

Hurling. Cork and Clare come out onto the pitch a few of years ago hitting each other with their hurls and getting stuck into each other.

PatrickArmagh (Down) - Posts: 42 - 09/06/2014 16:41:51    1600889

Doesn't matter where it happened, it can not be deemed a normal part of the game. Fights and brawls will break out in most team sports at some stage due to a variety of reasons and often when someone defends a team mate who is assaulted but yesterday was just silly, dangerous and totally avoidable. If needs be and on yesterdays evidence clear protocols must be issued to all teams so that in the event of it happening again no body can claim their actions were an honest mistake

lillyboy (Kildare) - Posts: 429 - 09/06/2014 16:44:06    1600892

Come on lads tis nothing you wouldnt see at a good Irish wedding.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 09/06/2014 16:46:18    1600897

24 hrs later and it dosen't look good, nobody comes out of it well, Armagh, Cavan, Ulster Council and the GAA.

Yes,
the majority of it was just pushing and shoving but there were a few 'hits'. No one here regardless of where they are from can justify hitting a player if you are a spectator....
The band was been 'shaken' as another poster commented if that was my child in the band andwas nearly flattened - i wouldn't have been happy....
As regards who is at fault - all 4 Armagh, Cavan , referee and Ulster Council have to share blame...

The facts:-
1. Armagh were first into the parade, they lined up behind the Cavan flag, was this intentional or were they just following protcal as the home team is supposed to take the line beside the boundary, ( both teams would have known this)
2. Cavan rushed in... to defend their honour/flag.... or to outmuscle Armagh etc
3. A supporter hit a Cavan player , he was wearing a white shirt, so he could have been from Kildare ( highly unlikely)- but this was wrong, very wrong,
4. The referee should have suspended the parade - it was a joke to continue it, as it came round towards the main stand there was more heated exchanges and the Cavan goalkeeper 'lifted his boot'
5. The melee/brawl etc didn't effect Cavan as they scored the first 2 points
6. There was also further instances before the teams left the field at half-time...
7. The events were unsavory and some of the so-called press ( soccer'rugby background are having a field day....
8. I love the pre-match parades - it gives excitment and colour etc.... don't get rid of them
9. Although no one in their right mind can justify the brawl/melee, the tension and noise it generated was unbelievable and added to the occasion - that's reality!!!
10. No manager either Armagh or Cavan sent men out to behave in such a manner - men have to be responsible for their own actions...

cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1688 - 09/06/2014 16:55:56    1600913

Look on the day the more hungry team did win the game, Marty was poor for both teams over 70 minutes. However we feel very aggrieved about what happened beforehand. Both teams will end up being fined and thats all GAA will do!!!! Wait til you see. The same fine for both counties even though

1. Armagh deliberately lined up behind the Cavan Flag
2. An Armagh supporter was clearly seen to hit Fergal Flanagan
3. Martin Dunne has sustained a double fracture. (contrary to "he probably fell" posts on here). [/I]

I don't understand how Cavan can claim complete innocence here, I just don't get it. When you take a 10 yard charge at an opposition team what do you expect to happen? It may also have escaped your attention but there has been no mention of a Cavan player punching Geezer in the back as the teams were coming off at half time. Brendan Donaghy also had to receive treatment for a head wound.

The Armagh fan was stupid and shouldn't acted in the way he did. And I'm sorry to hear that about Dunne, he is a very good players, but any talk of systematic targeting is pure nonsense.

09/06/2014 11:24:08 HandballRef
Only one clean punch I seen was thrown by Armagh number 8 sprinting in and landing on Cavan number 8 at the start.. Mostly men trying to choke each other and in headlocks! But why are people worried about whether punches were thrown or not?? As if this makes all the difference in whether to hand out suspensions or not!! If there's no suspensions handed out by the GAA it is a joke...
I don't mind seeing the odd dust up now and again at club games but I can't get my head around some people on here who are genuinely disappointed that there were not more punches thrown!! It beggars belief So punches are bad and choking and giving headlocks are ok then?
Yes if GAA don't suspend several people involved then they are a joke. Totally agree on your last sentence
09/06/2014 13:19:50 Damothedub
There is thuggery, there is cynical injuring of an opponent, and theres stupidity, which category does the brawl fall into? Well for me downright stupidity, big grown men and their handbags, but thats all it was, Ive seen far worse in off the ball and supposedly badly timed tackles, were lads were well and truly done.
Mayo v Meath have a look back now THAT was a brawl, as for how this will be perceived abroad, thats just a little self important for me, we don't matter that much lads . This brawl took place outside of the actual game which makes things much worse IMO. It was thuggery especially taking someone out pre game. Yes there probably has been worse off the ball tackles in games but they can b justified much more than incidents like sunday

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 09/06/2014 17:05:30    1600928

09/06/2014 15:01:39 Uimhir.a.3.
The tit for tat between the two counties posting here with the other jackasses promoting brawls obviously are hurlers on the ditch who don't promote our games. Yesterdays scenes were a disgrace to the Association & do massive PR damage to our games. New people thinking of having their kids play our games looking at this will think there are no rules or discipline. We are in major competition with soccer & rugby for players. Watch their pre match & you don't see brawls or players been taken out. All this talk of it's a mans game is rubbish. Brolly from Monaghan what if your son was in the band parade & was struck & injured. Would it be a mans game then ? You would be on here giving out. Real men can control themselves & their discipline & do their talking on the field. As for no punches thrown, wake up & look at it in slow motion, punches were thrown by 3 players & 1 supporter. What if one of the children in the band was struck or injured or one of the kids in the stand. Who would be responsible, who would payExcellent post. Of course the scenes were a disgrace. totally agree
09/06/2014 15:01:39 Uimhir.a.3.
What if your child was assaulted. Keep condoning these things & brushing them under the carpet as the GAA do will eventually lead to a serious incident & the courts, I'm afraid this is what it will take for us to take action. The dismissal of it by the Sunday Game panelists was very disappointing. The GAA will talk tough dish out a few suspensions, fines to the county boards & all will be reversed in a couple of weeks when it's all blown over. The irony is the same county boards nationwide that appeal these fines & bans are charged with maintaining discipline at club level, no standards. Take decisive action now & ban those involved & set some example. I am aware that this post will be castigated by many, but we have seen what happens in this country if people do what they want & nobody stands up & says stop. If this had gone out on Sky & viewed worldwide we would be a laughing stock. If you think it's a laugh & great scene for YouTube, then you don't really don't have the good of the Association at heart. again totally agree excellent post

09/06/2014 15:17:50
Breffni39
Yeah let them play rugby where they are much more likely to get punched, gouged or spear tackled than be in involved in a brawl whilst playing GAAyou trolling breff? Ridiculous to bring rugby into this

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 09/06/2014 17:08:45    1600930

Nothing like a rant and loss of perspective on a Monday following an auld viewing of the SG ,this could be on utube and people might see us , this will drive people away from our game and straight into the welcoming arms of Rugby and soccer , were doomed were doomed its the end of the association , its a disgrace .
Yes Joe Duffy listeners alive and well on HS today ,
This is the blight and thuggery at the heart of the association that needs dealing with , well really ? Wheres the facts to back this up ? I attend club games every week from junior Bs to seniors , I have contacts in many clubs and Im not hearing anything anecdotally to say we have an epidemic on our hands , but hey don't let the facts spoil a good story , when was the last time you saw anything like yesterday in club or county ? What happened was rare , let authorities look at it if they decide action needs to be taken I hope both counties take it on the chin , but god can some of the posters lighten up and climb down from the pulpit , and remember next week black card and all you get to jump up on the pulpit all over again

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 09/06/2014 17:19:19    1600947

cuchulainns35 post 1016


your perception of the facts seem rather rose tainted towards armagh cant you accept it takes two also where were you sitting as you seem to have a birds eye veiw of every end of the grounds and your accounts of events are not backed up by any video evidence i have seen or by the clips on the news last night

cavan.wanderer (Cavan) - Posts: 82 - 09/06/2014 17:49:24    1600971

Dessie_Cross

Are you serious?

Jamie Clarke is a Crossmaglen man. He probably got heavier tackles training in the local club than he got from a few 20-yr olds last year in Breffni Park. Talk about kettle and pot!
What will you do with him when he faces the Monaghan or Tyrone backs?

RoyalBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 198 - 09/06/2014 17:50:06    1600973

realdub
County: Dublin

Just out of interest, what did the cameras miss regarding the 12 apostles?


After looking at the footage on youtube again; not much realdub.
I posted to highlight that the '12 apostle' final (arguably much worse
than yesterday's shenanigans) is simply laughed about nowadays as
'that was the way it was' and ' they were men back then' type folklore.
Ciaran Whelan nostalgically refers to the 'battle of Omagh' as handbags
and it has now gone down as folklore from both sides (except hurlingdub,
who still has amnesia about what actually happened that day, ;))
My point is that this is being blown out of proportion by the usual media
outlets(paper never refused ink) and it will be laughed ondly remembered
in the future as 'that was the way it was; and ' they were men back then'.

TheGateKeeper (Tyrone) - Posts: 2843 - 09/06/2014 18:22:44    1601000

More of the same v Tyrone or Monaghan please. Lay inta them. I can't decide who's worse. I've never forgotten the horror of '05 or Blaney hammering Cross by 10 points in 2001.

God this all reminds me of Mullaghbawn V Cross rivalry in '96. Now those were the days.

Dessie_Cross (Armagh) - Posts: 145 - 09/06/2014 18:50:12    1601018

TheGateKeeper
County: Tyrone
Posts: 2735

1601000
realdub
County: Dublin

Just out of interest, what did the cameras miss regarding the 12 apostles?


After looking at the footage on youtube again; not much realdub.
I posted to highlight that the '12 apostle' final (arguably much worse
than yesterday's shenanigans) is simply laughed about nowadays as
'that was the way it was' and ' they were men back then' type folklore.
Ciaran Whelan nostalgically refers to the 'battle of Omagh' as handbags
and it has now gone down as folklore from both sides (except hurlingdub,
who still has amnesia about what actually happened that day, ;))
My point is that this is being blown out of proportion by the usual media
outlets(paper never refused ink) and it will be laughed ondly remembered
in the future as 'that was the way it was; and ' they were men back then'.
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Again the difference back then was that there was a ball, and no kids, in the vicinity of the brawl. Yesterday was like something you'd see on a Sky1 documentary following police around on a Saturday night in Blackpool. Like kids arguing over who gets to be first in the school line.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4746 - 09/06/2014 18:54:56    1601022

OK TheGateKeeper, fair enough, I know what you're saying but the 3 main incidents are there to see with replays and all, not bad for footage from that far back. It was a filthy game all the way true in fairness and our scrap with you lads in 06 was worse than that handbags yesterday, Dunne apart!

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8783 - 09/06/2014 18:55:47    1601023

How come I wasn't surprised, this is Armagh all over. It seems they intentionally wanted to rattle Cavan before the game and how come Cavans main scoring threat ended up with a broken head......was he specifically targeted? I hope they throw the book at Armagh! They brought shame on our sport yesterday and thankfully it wasn't being covered by Sky.

OakGael (Derry) - Posts: 293 - 09/06/2014 18:58:20    1601026

Damothedub

Great post.

Brolly (Monaghan) - Posts: 4472 - 09/06/2014 19:04:03    1601030