Richie don't be so dramatic, I'm treating the incident yesterday and Nash's reaction to the shoulder in the back in isolation and I am not questioning Nash's character at all. I don't know the man, the same way you don't know me (yet you seem to be have no problem questioning my character)
I have watched the incident a number of times and see no elbow from O'Keefe, in fact this is the first instance I've encountered where someone has tried to claim that it was anything other than a cheap shot to the back. Is there some other footage besides this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MxiJmVI2R2A where the elbow can be spotted? I'll wait to see if other posters can spot the elbow to the head, but you have to admit the effects of whatever caused him to hold his head on the ground wore off very quickly as he was back on his feet protesting with the ref very quickly afterwards. You appear to be uncomfortable with what I have described, but don't try and make what I have stated out to be something more than it is, I am only giving my observations, which incidentally appeared to be shared by many on social media yesterday

Heftydickonem (Kilkenny) - Posts: 175 - 09/06/2014 16:42:40    1600891

Well said zinny. The rules are absolutely clear and the defenders cannot encroach. The only problem is that they do not take account of the freetaker advancing up to 9m as we have seen this season. It would be a simple thing to put in a line stating that frees must be "struck" from a position no nearer the opposition goal than where the free was awarded, up to but not beyond the 20m line. And by struck I mean the definition that was in place for over 100 years up to last night! People are talking about the skill involved in what Anthony Nash does. In my opinion there is more skill in coordinating the required power, accuracy and spin to score from 20m than basically volleying the sliotar from 11-12m out.

Westfester (Limerick) - Posts: 980 - 09/06/2014 16:46:15    1600896

Ban
County: Westmeath

cuederocket

The simple solution is to allow the striking player to rise the ball wherever he wants outside the 21 yard line,but not to encroach past this line to strike the ball.Also the defenders on the goal-line must stay on the line until the penalty is struck.

Now that would be far too logical for the GAA

And who objected to any change to the penalty tule? You reap what you sow! as a result now we have a farce. It is inevitable and fair that what the two posters above advocate is what is going to happen, has to happen.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4954 - 09/06/2014 18:27:43    1601003

As was pointed out the rule as it is written is crystal clear regarding the penalty.

Its simply unbelievable that the referees committee - would as the season starts simply rewrite the rule!!!

The right thing to do would be to reiterate the rule and make it clear to all and sundry what exactly is allowed. Instead the GAA has made a total balls of it.
It shows clearly that a football man should NOT be in charge of anything to do with hurling!!! I stand by that!!!
Cork men and Kilkenny men and all of us who love the game know that if the current situation continues then someone will be seriously injured.

What a really unusual and poor statement from Liam O'Neill this morning. He should know better - he claims to be a hurling man!

Imagine a minor taking a penalty and a young 16 year old goalie comes off his line and takes the full brunt of the sliotar? What will his mother do... or the young lad himself.... or young lads watching.... why oh why did our referees committee not just think a little before such a crazy statement?
By the way this is NOT about Nash who is a superb goalkeeper or any body else - its about how the game should be played and about WHO makes the rules!
Did the referees committee ALL share in the decision making?
I hope not... its beggars belief!!!

carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1877 - 09/06/2014 21:37:55    1601145

Just heard on rte news that the gaa are to issue a clarification before next weekend's matches regarding the taking of penalties and frees, following yesterday's penalty fiasco. hopefully they'll say the free/penalty taker cannot strike the ball in front of where the free was awarded, and defenders cannot breach the designated exclusion zone before the ball is struck. simple.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1256 - 09/06/2014 21:57:20    1601164

I cant see this being properly dealt with! Thats what happens when influential people on the matter have a vested interest..

It will be cleared that a penalty, 21 yard free whatever can be struck from where-ever and the boys on the line have to stay put..

This is essentially approving that a penalty can be struck from within 2 yards of the goal

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1468 - 10/06/2014 08:03:30    1601169

I don't see what all the. Fuss is about? I'd love to be taking a penalty with the keeper jumping 3 foot off the ground 10 yards from the goals. Just think about it.......

mike03 (Limerick) - Posts: 2000 - 10/06/2014 08:28:55    1601174

It's a joke really they've had plenty of time to sort this out. It will be interesting to see what the "clarification" is tho, it has to be that the strike doesnt happen until it actually struck and not when lifted.

GerMan (Limerick) - Posts: 38 - 10/06/2014 09:25:58    1601205

Clarification says that ball must be struck outside or at 20m line.
That should sort it out. Time to move on.

Westfester (Limerick) - Posts: 980 - 10/06/2014 11:01:42    1601266

Westfester,thats what ive been saying since the time i saw the first Nash penalty.Ridiculous how many posters saw nothing wrong with it.Such a simple,sensible solution.But try explain that to some.There are none so blind as those who choose not to see.Or those who get a Nash pile driver in the eye from 12 yards either.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 10/06/2014 11:45:12    1601305

cuederocket
County: Dublin
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1601305 Westfester,thats what ive been saying since the time i saw the first Nash penalty.Ridiculous how many posters saw nothing wrong with it.Such a simple,sensible solution.But try explain that to some.There are none so blind as those who choose not to see.Or those who get a Nash pile driver in the eye from 12 yards either.



Thats because there IS nothing wrong with it. What Nash is doing is not against the rules of hurling. There would be no debate on this if people actually bothered to read the rule.

batterburger (Cork) - Posts: 161 - 10/06/2014 12:12:07    1601336

Finally the GAA see sense.Looks like the solution i have been advocating since the very first Nash penalty has been enacted.Not a minute too soon.Cork will have to try and score goals now the conventional way,which they havnt been very adept at over the last few years.No more easy,against the spirit of the game,sneaky three pointers anymore.The Nash dash is now all but ash.Good ridance.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 10/06/2014 20:29:38    1601789

They saw sense? This is the most idiotic reaction the GAA could of possibly done. They have made the Nash free more dangerous, they have broken their own rule books, they've stopped enforcing every rule protecting Nash, completely undermined the whole idea of having a congress and what's worse they've done it in the middle of the championship. What happens next? Nobody knows because they're making it up as they're going along. There will be a disaster on Sunday if the GAA decide to continue their policy of ignoring the rule book.

RebelCork (Cork) - Posts: 789 - 10/06/2014 20:42:58    1601797

Nothing dangerous about it now Rebel.Tonights ruling makes perfect sense.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 10/06/2014 20:54:54    1601805

Didn't see tonight's until after comment, presumed you were just on about charging it.
They've gone and made them harder to score. No player can now pass the 20m line (literally impossible to do). What's going to happen when they pack the goal for frees? There won't be a goal scored. They'll need to move it out to at least the 25m line. Role on the Black Card.

RebelCork (Cork) - Posts: 789 - 10/06/2014 21:04:18    1601811

Some come on here blowing about Nash penalty being wrong. Wish they'd read the rules first.

So now the gaa basically change the rule mid season without a convention. Whats that about? Its a complete farce.

batterburger (Cork) - Posts: 161 - 10/06/2014 21:05:09    1601812

Finally an end to this farce.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 10/06/2014 21:07:40    1601815

Stephen O'Keefe did the game of hurling great service last Sunday by getting the GAA to wake up to the dangers of the Anthony Nash free. Safety of the players is paramount. It was not pleasant to watch, neither was it pleasant to watch Anthony Nash challenge the referees
decision afterwards. It added nothing to the game of hurling. Well done Stephen O'Keefe for bringing it to an end.

fainleog (Limerick) - Posts: 602 - 10/06/2014 21:16:29    1601820

All goalkeepers can sleep well tonight.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 10/06/2014 21:17:48    1601822

cuederocket
County: Dublin

Exactly common sense, end of argument, imagine? A 20 metre free being taken from 20m's. Finally the end of it.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4954 - 10/06/2014 21:21:16    1601826