The Nash penalty situation is sorted, players CAN charge down the penalty taker once the sliotar is touched that is the Bas makes contact with sliotar, thats what is refs committee stated. So yeah now they have to address this but it will be at congress after championship. Going to be a blood bath in goalmouths.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4954 - 08/06/2014 21:57:08    1600249

I have just watched the Sunday Game and I am amazed at what the programme has said regarding the taking of penalties. It said that the referees committee have stated that a penalty is struck when the ball is touched. This therefore allows a player to move off his line to block when the penalty taker has touched the ball.
What a load of rubbish. This is the first time that such a statement has been made. It opens a whole can of worms.

For me it shows that the referees committee is not thinking straight and is rewriting the rule book. This is one of the worst statements ever regarding hurling. Its a seriously retrograde step and changes essentially what constitutes a free being taken.
By the way - Cork look again, very good and Clare beware next week.

carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1877 - 08/06/2014 22:03:13    1600261

So now is the onus on Nash to strike the ball as hard from further out? Fair play to the Waterford keeper but I wonder has the pain of the hurling ball gone away yet!
I had to admit, I laughed when I seen the Waterford goalkeeper give Nash a shot! But Cork wont care, they won, and given how they played I think they will beat Clare on Sunday.

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 09/06/2014 09:00:29    1600288

Big call Pinkie, have to say i can't call it. Question is how bad were Waterford.

Hoover78 (Limerick) - Posts: 865 - 09/06/2014 10:05:43    1600351

Liam O'Neill (on RTE radio this morning) said the Waterford keeper was entitled to do what he did yesterday. Surely this opens a can of worms regarding "tactics" to save penalties, and the possibility of charging down frees in other parts of the field too?

football first (None) - Posts: 1259 - 09/06/2014 10:15:57    1600366

I was delighted to see the Deise goalie do what he did... And all within the rules.

And to see Nash complaining to the ref after his penalty was blocked.

Classic.

Now that it the way to stop the so called Nash Penalty method...!

Well done Stephen O'Keefe.

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4266 - 09/06/2014 10:28:51    1600388

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1600366 Liam O'Neill (on RTE radio this morning) said the Waterford keeper was entitled to do what he did yesterday. Surely this opens a can of worms regarding "tactics" to save penalties, and the possibility of charging down frees in other parts of the field too?

Good point. The GAA really need to act on this. Yesterday's statement by the referees committee is effectively saying that Nash's penalties (not just his - but TJ Reid, Kildare goalkeeper et al) are perfectly legal as the ball is considered struck when the toe of the hurley touches the sliothar - at point of the jab lift - this is why the Waterford goalkeeper was allowed to come running out. That is fine with me if that is the rule but I feel that we will have some right scrambles around the goalmouth this year.

I am not sure that yesterday's clarification was helpful in general. I say fair play to Stephen O Keeffe, he showed admirable bravery. he made a very good save from Pa Cronin leading up to the penalty and again in the second half.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 09/06/2014 10:41:33    1600407

He also said that they tried to address this earlier this year but Cork objected threatened to fight it all the way!!

He made the point that they could not do anything about it "as you cant change the rules in the middle of the championship" but this is exactly what the Gaa are doing with their statement last night. A free consists of a "lift" and a "strike" and the refs are now counting the lift as a strike. All frees can now be charged down in any area of the field.

Westfester (Limerick) - Posts: 980 - 09/06/2014 10:45:41    1600418

And then there's the situation of keepers' puckouts, where the ball must be struck from inside the small square. That would be a logical solution for penalties too: let the penalty taker start their run from wherever they like, as long as the strike is outside the 20m line?

football first (None) - Posts: 1259 - 09/06/2014 11:12:50    1600445

It was inevitable,all the hastle Nashs penalties have caused.Farcical from the moment he took his first one like this.Plenty of posters on here saw nothing wrong with it.I was calling for it to be banned from the start.The simple solution is to allow the striking player to rise the ball wherever he wants outside the 21 yard line,but not to encroach past this line to strike the ball.Also the defenders on the goal-line must stay on the line until the penalty is struck.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 09/06/2014 11:26:01    1600461

id like to make two points.

Firstly over the two days the waterford goalie has been unbelievable. Also on saturday night toe offaly goalie was sublime i sincerely hope that when the all stars are being considered that these two goalies are not forgotten. Their contributions to both their teams were epic.

Secondly i think this whole NASH thing is a joke. penalities have been lifted and carried in for years and davey fitx was one of the best. At the moment there are countless takers lifting and carrying forward but nash is the only one catching flak. Reid did it in the League final and i barely heard a whisper. The reality is if the goalie can start charging down once the lift commences then there will be no benifit at all in getting a penalty . I thought the whole idea was to penalise the team for fouling in the square and stopping a possible goal scoring attempt so giving the defending team the chance to charge down the taker is that not being unfair on the team fouled ??????

Re. Cork we really wont know till next week where they are ?? Poor on the first day and faced nothing yesterday. I liked the way they raised their intensity and was brilliant to see paudie back but ill have a clearer picture today week

ritchie (Cork) - Posts: 346 - 09/06/2014 11:26:05    1600462

Ritchie

Excellent post. Nash is getting the flak because he happens to be the best at it and it his style is a little bit more unique than others. He is being pilloried because he can hit the ball very hard and does not need a massive sprint to get the power behind his shot like others have been doing for years with less success. It is a very Irish thing to get bitter about something like this. Eddie Keher was one of the biggest critics about this type of penalty (which was fair enough as he like everybody is entitled to an opinion), however, there is not a peep from him now that TJ Reid is copying Nash.

All of the above aside, I have nothing against rule clarifications that will improve hurling as a spectacle. I believe all "hurling people" should feel the same way. If all penalty takers must hit the ball from outside the 21 yard line and all goalkeepers must stay on the line then so be it. However, like Ritchie says, the advantage must be with the team that was fouled.

What we have now however, is unhelpful clarifications from the referees, hysteria about Anthony Nash and the potential for chaos around all frees - none of which is good for hurling.

Best Regards

Paul

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 09/06/2014 12:19:34    1600516

Cant believe the gap between the 2 from the last day, complete change in attitude from Cork. But there achilles heel remains from last year, thay dont score goals. Waterford killed themselves some of teh possesion they mis used was scandalous

As for the penalty. Great save and bravery from O'Keefee. No rules were broken. However when will this be looked at? I said last season if Nash or others want to hit the peanalty afer tehyhave thrown the ball up they should inform the ref who should then move the ball back to a 2nd penalty spot to ensure teh ball is struck from the correct distance for a peno. Otherwise the O'Keefe technique will take off around the country until some poor sod losses his manhood

Brianmac78 (Dublin) - Posts: 1168 - 09/06/2014 13:21:01    1600606

Although Nash is the pioneer and major protagonist in this debacle i have also posted on how TJ Reid nearly took Brendan Mahers head off from 14 yards in league final.Hopefully yesterdays predictable farce will finally enact a changing and clarifaction of current confusion.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 09/06/2014 13:37:01    1600644

cuederocket

The simple solution is to allow the striking player to rise the ball wherever he wants outside the 21 yard line,but not to encroach past this line to strike the ball.Also the defenders on the goal-line must stay on the line until the penalty is struck.


Now that would be far too logical for the GAA

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1468 - 09/06/2014 15:16:50    1600791

bennybunny - It has to be pointed out that you're incorrect on Eddie Keher's stance on the Nash penalty. From http://www.thescore.ie/eddie-keher-nash-1443767-May2014/ (two months ago)

"I have mixed feelings on it," Keher said at an event in Kerry yesterday. "It's a fantastic skill. I wouldn't like it to be an Anthony Nash thing as such but I think it's dangerous. With the present hurleys they're using and with the present sliothar someone's going to get a belt in the throat or worse"

"I think we're sitting there waiting but it's going to happen. It could happen this year. Other players are learning to do it now, it's not going to be solely Cork. I see TJ Reid doing it now and Lester Ryan with Kilkenny. Anyone can get injured, not only anyone playing against Cork.

He continued: "I couldn't do it. When we were taking it you rose it forward for momentum, not to gain yards. Maybe at the point of two or three yards but it was to gain momentum with the swing more than gaining yards but it's a fantastic skill that he's doing. I won't take away from that.


I would also question your statement "Nash is getting the flak because he happens to be the best at it and it his style is a little bit more unique than others. He is being pilloried because he can hit the ball very hard and does not need a massive sprint to get the power behind his shot like others have been doing for years with less success"

I think it's more a case of Nash being the first high profile exponent of this technique, rather than being the best. Is his success rate that good? Concerning power, he is using a massive goalie hurl unlike other players, including both TJ Reid and Tony Kelly who have quickly adopted this technique. As for unique style, maybe, but from what I saw of Tony Kelly's penalty against KK recently, Kelly's is even more 'extreme' for want of a better word

Does Nash deserve flak for his free taking technique? I don't think so. If anything he deserves flak for rolling around on the ground holding his head after receiving a shoulder from the Waterford keeper

Heftydickonem (Kilkenny) - Posts: 175 - 09/06/2014 15:20:34    1600796

Heftydickonem

Hefty before you make any attack on Nash i suggest you go look at the video. Anthony nash repeatedly took shots last year and never went down. Yesterday O Keeffe CLEARLY went in with an elbow. I see you make no reference to O Keeffe who charged a man not even looking at him but at the ref at the time of the incident. No you decided to make reference to Nashs charachter. Well i can tell you after that post im delighted to say Mr. Anthony Nash has significantly more charachter than you do as he never does anything simple to get a reaction. If you need a copy of the feed let me know its all over youtube and even someone with your rose tinted glasses can see it clearly.

Iv always admired Kilkenny and their supporters hell iv met enough of them over the years but you sir just left your self down with that stupid comment

ritchie (Cork) - Posts: 346 - 09/06/2014 15:54:43    1600843

I can't believe the referees are saying this - the rule to me is clear and the rule book even clarifies that lifting is not striking. This is a joke. The rules is clear they cannot come off the line until the ball is struck.

A penalty puck shall be taken at the centre point of the 20m line and the semi-circular arc, and only three defending players may stand on the goal-line. All other players, with the
exception of the player taking the puck, shall be outside the 20m line, and shall not cross the 20m line or the arc until the ball has been struck. If a defending player(s) fouls before the ball is struck and a goal does not result, the referee shall allow the penalty puck to be retaken.

For any of the three players defending a penalty on the goal-line to move nearer than 20m to the ball before the ball is struck.
PENALTY - If a goal is not scored, the referee shall allow the penalty puck to be retaken.

For all free pucks, including penalties, the ball may be struck with the hurley in either of two ways:
(a) Lift the ball with the hurley at the first attempt and strike it with the hurley.
(b) Strike the ball on the ground.
If a player taking a free puck or penalty fails to lift the ball at the first attempt, or fails to strike it with the hurley, he must strike it on the ground without delay. Only when he delays, may a player of either side approach nearer than 20m. except in the case of penalties.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1976 - 09/06/2014 16:15:18    1600865

I've said pretty much everything I can on this so i'll try to keep it short. There's a train crash coming if Cork (and others) still persist with Nash's frees. This was not the way the GAA should have done it. A summer of injuries and cynical play awaits. The GAA has panicked big time here.

RebelCork (Cork) - Posts: 789 - 09/06/2014 16:17:47    1600867

Just looked at the penalty on RTE and first of all it wasn't a penalty as he wasn't in the small square when fouled and there is no way the foul could be considered an aggressive foul. Even allowing for that, there are Waterford players inside the D and 20m line even before he lifts the ball but how could the referee see this as he is in on the 13M line. This is the type of stuff that is just annoying. Whats the point in having a rule book if its going to be ignored by the referees.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 1976 - 09/06/2014 16:39:52    1600887