I agree with you regarding Kildare and I think we'd be too fast for that Donegal team as we'd penetrate their system with pace and power plus we have players who can take points from the 40.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8790 - 10/06/2014 13:05:19    1601405

wayno

scorelines as you well know can hide the facts
out of them 4 years you mentioned the only real game we played from start to finish with real fleuncy
was the year we beat louth.
in 2011 against laois we stuttered at times and never put them away just kept a comfortable lead
last year the westmeath game was poor in the first half very similiar to sunday
we misplaced a lot of passes going forward.
i told you all week that it would be like that
that laois would really put it up to us and 11 points in the end may be the result but it wasnt that kind of game
we were very rusty in the first half,our passing was woeful and both midfielders were getting hammered
cian o sullivan improved in the second half yet got called ashore while mdma apart from a goal layed on for him
did nothing all day, he was very poor and didnt chase back for most of the game

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 10/06/2014 13:20:53    1601416

hill16no1man
because you wont answer when the facts where put to you!!!
I showed you on already the amount of teams that were at home that have lost in this years championship
not once but twice last week and you refused to respond to the posts

I never seen any posts. But I can answer this claim in one question, the same question Padraig joyce posed on 2fm friday evening to instantly dismiss this obvious pseudo-logic for what it is, a loaded point - how many of those games were the home team an inferior side and expected to lose? You are suggesting, for example, that Dublin going to carlow, and Dublin going to ballybofey to play Donegal will result in the exact same effect for the home team, of course it wont. Time and again these facetious points are suggested as fact, and the ironic thing is, you actually seem believe it. Genuinely, are you actually serious?


fainleog, at no point have I ever stated that Dublin were anything but a top side. But that doesn't change the point I have made. Top sides don't play well every day, top sides are made up of people, like every other side, and people can sometimes be affected by such things. Dublin were out of sorts in the first half, having to come out in the 2nd to a hostile away crowd and a tight bad pitch could have affected their recovery no end. I wish we had had the opportunity to play Roscommon in McHale park and not Hyde park. I can tell you now, we would have won the game in an easier fashion. The grass would have been cut for a start. Im just saying that it is far easier to come back when everything is in your favour, as opposed to everything being in your opponents favour, whether that be Dublin or whoever. People wrongly assume what I say as some attack on Dublin, it isn't, it is pointing out the imbalance in our system and how that can effect games. It is a fair point to make, some people just don't like to admit that and so make it into this 'you just have it in for Dublin' angle that it really isn't. I guarantee you fainleog, the response I get will be about Dublin specifically, or mayo specifically, and not the effects of playing at home compared to playing away. People would rather try to make it personal rather than address the point.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 10/06/2014 13:27:46    1601421

I wouldn't give us much of a chance against Dublin in all honesty.

Even if we were 2 or 3 points up with 20 mins left (and I cant ever see us being further ahead than that) they have such a strong bench that its hard to see us holding on that lead.

Is it possible? Of course, but we would need a lot of things to go right and a lot of things to go wrong for Dublin.

benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 10/06/2014 14:06:05    1601452

We get it Master it's an advantage to us playing at home now will you please shut up going on about it there's nothing Dublin posters on a forum can do about it. Like how many more times can you post the exact same things ? We play at home it's an advantage no doubt but if a team is good enough they'll beat us just like your county has.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 10/06/2014 14:37:10    1601478

Dubs are going to be playing plenty of more games in Croke Park

So we best get used to themaster bringing this point up

I have no problem with him saying it... but just as long as it's balanced

At the end of the day... Mayo played a large number of Connacht championship matches in McHale Park last year...

As if they didn't already have enough advantages over the rest of Connacht...

Yet... no mention of this...

I see your whinging about the grass not being cut now themaster

Is that why you played so poorly?... long grass?

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 10/06/2014 14:53:43    1601492

the master

tipp were at home to limerick in thurles in the hurling and in closing stages ahead and it was limerick
who won the game.
limerick hosted tipp in football the night before with limerick a division ahead of them in the league
yet tipp won the game.
fermanagh hosted antrim in ulster fermanagh finished 3rd in division 3 and antrim 3rd last in division 4
yet antrim won well.
westmeath hosted louth in leinster westmeath divison 1 this year louth division 2 this year
yet louth won the game well.
derry hosted donegal in ulster derry division 1 finalists donegal division 2 finalists
yet donegal went and won the game.
tyrone hosted down in ulster tyrone division 1 this year down division 2 this year
yet down got a draw
down hosted tyrone in the replay and tyrone won well
clare hosted waterford in munster clare promoted from divison 4 could only draw.
wicklow hosted laois in leinster laois won the game well.
london hosted galway in a supposable fortress ruislip yet galway hammered them.
longford hosted wexford in leinster yet wexford won the game.

I fail to see where the home advantage comes from as these games prove best team wins

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 10/06/2014 14:58:12    1601495

also great to see the screen that was in front of hill 16 over last couple of years
was gone on sunday

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 10/06/2014 15:03:02    1601497

I accept that the Dublin posters are probably fed up of everyone reminding them that they play every game at home. It is here to stay, and it is just something the rest of the teams have to contend with.

I would like to ask other posters for their opinion regarding Dublin's home advantage, and if they think that Laois would have lost that game by eleven points if it was played in O Moore Park?

bryanadams (Kildare) - Posts: 733 - 10/06/2014 15:08:18    1601506

Can Dublin beat Donegal if they meet or better still can Donegal beat Dublin if they meet. ????

Before the Div 2 final I really expected Donegal to be the Dubs toughest challenge this year.
But after watching how slow they looked that day I quickly back peddled. I understand that they are sure to be a different team come August but Dublin will also improve.

If Donegal hit 2012 form it will be a great battle (not the prettiest of games) but I would side with Dublin.

I just dont think Donegal will hit that form again with this panel. I could well be wrong and if I am I will hold my hands up, I just don't see it.

bobby_shane (Dublin) - Posts: 106 - 10/06/2014 15:17:28    1601521

10/06/2014 15:08:18
bryanadams
County: Kildare
Posts: 434

1601506
I accept that the Dublin posters are probably fed up of everyone reminding them that they play every game at home. It is here to stay, and it is just something the rest of the teams have to contend with.

I would like to ask other posters for their opinion regarding Dublin's home advantage, and if they think that Laois would have lost that game by eleven points if it was played in O Moore Park?

Whos to say ? Could have been more could have been less . We havent done too bad in the league away from home in recent times , my own personal opinion is that Laois are not as good as Dublin and we would beat them on most grounds around the county .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 10/06/2014 15:18:41    1601523

of course it would have been the same thing
the posts are the same differance apart in portloaise
the pitch is made of grass
and as for the crowd 90 % of it would have been for dublin there too

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 10/06/2014 15:20:35    1601524

hill16no1man
County: Dublin
Posts: 7799

1601497
Also great to see the screen that was in front of hill 16 over last couple of years
was gone on sunday

Spoke to a steward on the Hill and he said they were going back up after the G.Brooks concerts - they only came down because of the 1D & Garth Brooks gigs.

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4340 - 10/06/2014 15:22:49    1601526

Going on from my previous response, I'd be more concerned if we were playing Kildare next Sunday than if it was Donegal, at this present moment, but of course that can change when I get a good look at the big yellow bus and the form they're in.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8790 - 10/06/2014 15:23:14    1601527

If Dublin fans really believe that playing at home is not an advatage then this discussion is futile. We can obviously bring up thousands of examples of away wins however that does not take from the point that being at home is an advantage.

Take Mayo or Donegal for example : In the past 3-4 years, both counties have played in Croker circa three times a year. Dublin have played treble that. Dublin do not have to stay overnight. they know every blade and inch of the pitch. They will generally receive the benefits of the 50:50s because of their vocal support. Even kicking frees for the likes of Murphy ot O'Connor is intimidating. Are Dublin fans seriously suggesting that MM OR COC kicking a placed ball in Ballybofey or Castlebar is the same as 10,000 dubs booing in their face ??? Dublin are an awesome side but playing at home is an advantage and a profund one at that.

TheRightStuff (Donegal) - Posts: 1688 - 10/06/2014 15:34:40    1601539

Wasn't much of a profound Advantage when we weren't win All Irelands though was it....

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4340 - 10/06/2014 15:42:43    1601558

I think Croke Park should be seen as a neutral venue. Croke Park is the perfect pitch, very well maintained, large pitch, ideal for the best players to display their footballing talents. There is no hiding place in Croke Park as there might be in smaller grounds and also grounds that may be poorly maintained. Croke Park is not the training ground for the Dublin Senior footballers. The provincial grounds are usually the training ground for their county footballers. Traditionally top teams are enthusiastically waiting to perform in Croke Park.It is only natural that the biggest games should be played in Croke Park, the grounds where the greatest number of people can attend and has the ideal setting. It is the best venue to showcase our games at home and abroad. Most players look forward to playing in Croke Park and Colm Cooper certainy does.

fainleog (Limerick) - Posts: 602 - 10/06/2014 15:44:54    1601560

http://www.gaa.ie/gaa-news-and-videos/d ... -munnelly/

GAA.ie FOOTBALL PLAYER OF THE WEEK
1. Ross Munnelly (Laois) - 1646 votes (60%)
2. Jonny Cooper (Dublin) - 745 votes (23%)
3. Ciarán Lyng (Wexford) - 575 votes (17%)

Could not believe that the Sunday game Panel gave this to Cooper everyone at the match from all counties were raving about Munnelly after it ....

Then again its the sunday game ...They don't do smaller counties....

nothing against Johnny Cooper but Ross Kicked 3 points when on him Scored 7 in all and 5 from play he was also superb in general play and had 4 assists to Points for a brave Laois team....

Might not seem much to Dublin but to a small county like Laois their captain gettin man of the match against the Dubs in croker would have being massive.

Hopefully he continues his form and gets that well deserved All-Star this year!

BigJohn.6_8 (Galway) - Posts: 704 - 10/06/2014 15:45:11    1601561

bryanadams, that was the point I was making, and I offered the ros - mayo match as what was a perfect example of what can happen when the smell of an upset is in the air, regardless of who the better team is. Yet all I got in response is either told to stop posting on the topic or guys just rabbiting on about my own county to deflect. These guys just point blank refuse to discuss subjects with any level of honesty if it might happen to reflect badly on their own county in any way. I have no issue stating that last year we were aided by playing at home more than we usually do. What is the big deal? It is utterly tiresome.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 10/06/2014 15:50:40    1601572

TheRightStuff
County: Donegal
Posts: 343

1601539
If Dublin fans really believe that playing at home is not an advatage then this discussion is futile. We can obviously bring up thousands of examples of away wins however that does not take from the point that being at home is an advantage.

Take Mayo or Donegal for example : In the past 3-4 years, both counties have played in Croker circa three times a year. Dublin have played treble that. Dublin do not have to stay overnight. they know every blade and inch of the pitch. They will generally receive the benefits of the 50:50s because of their vocal support. Even kicking frees for the likes of Murphy ot O'Connor is intimidating. Are Dublin fans seriously suggesting that MM OR COC kicking a placed ball in Ballybofey or Castlebar is the same as 10,000 dubs booing in their face ??? Dublin are an awesome side but playing at home is an advantage and a profund one at that.

generally recieve the benefits of 50:50 s haha you must not watch too many dublin matches?
so what your saying is that donegal and mayo are mentaly frail that they need a crowd behind them to believe in their ability on the pitch?
a match is won on the pitch, you could have the whole if ireland up for one team and it wouldnt make the slightest differance
if the other team is a better football side.
kerry played dublin in 2009 in croker with 75 thousand dublin supporters vocal as you like
did it make any differance ? in fact it probably helped kerry focus more and drive them on more
when dublin travelled to thurles to play kerry in 2001 with a very poor team they came within a whisker of beating
a kerry team that were all ireland champions at the time only for a massive side line kick.
the fact the game was in thurles probably drove dublin on all the more to achieve that.
dublin played cork in the all ireland semi final in 83 in croker and barely scrapped a draw
the replay was in cork and dublin went down and played them off the park.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 10/06/2014 15:57:19    1601577