Brolly
County: Monaghan
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If you watch the replay of the pen Hughes never lifted his head once so it's ridiculous to say he was put off. I was more annoyed by the fancy two step run up, could have lost the game over that miss. Not good enough.

Agree with everything here Brolly, but whether he was put off or not, you still cannot have a member or former member of an opposing panel standing behind a goal waving his arms to try and put off a penalty taker.

supermon (Monaghan) - Posts: 1074 - 18/06/2014 13:45:43    1605534

The referee is not under any obligation or even moral obligation to allow the team in possession to score or be given a chance to score before he blows for full time. Are you saying she should have deliberately allowed Tyrone to draw the game? if you can remember correctly the idea of not blowing for full time if the attacking team was in possession of the ball in their own half was proposed and defeated at congress a few years back - just like the original black card concept!



I have nothing against Tyrone or Micky Heart, he is entitled to his views, he has used his profile in the past to speak out against things he didn't think were right for the game and as much as you may disagree with him he has the interests of the game at heart. What he must also realise is that what he did on Sunday was completely against the best interests of the game and I hope he apologies and admits it was out of order. Basically it has said to every yobbo of a club manager, no matter what the grip its ok to go after the referee at the end of the game. If it was any other inter county manager I would say the same - Davey Fitz is another one, I saw Daly at it to the linesman in the Dublin game although not aggressively. If it doesn't stop put them all in the stands.

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 2073 - 18/06/2014 16:52:17    1605658

Zinny........nobody is sayin the ref is under any obligation in this instance but we are just querying why he would deviate from previous protocol whether it's written in stone or not. When a whole group of people feel simultaneously aggrieved at hearing the final whistle so soon then it's not a perceived grievance,it's a real grievance. Even some Monaghan supporters thought so,we will forgive them for being less than vocal in their protestations lol.
Mickey,or any other manager has the right to ask a referee how he made such a call. The refs should be able to stand by their calls and from this game there was more than one call that would be hard to stand by and not all against Tyrone either. As I said earlier many of these refs are simply not good enough and when they start making bad calls that hurt some "other"teams we will hear more about it and then it will be a legitimate point of discussion.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 18/06/2014 17:28:44    1605673

Mickey,or any other manager has the right to ask a referee how he made such a call.

There were 2 minutes of injury time added on. There were 2 minutes and 17 seconds of injury time elapsed when the final whistle blew.
Simple.

Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1266 - 18/06/2014 17:44:55    1605683

seanie_boy there is no such protocol, ask any referee and they will tell you they will blow when time is up regardless - what you and people who have never refereed don't realise is there is no special watch that buzzes when the time is reached and often the only time the referee can look at his watch is when there is a break in play.

There is a time and a place for everything, I would like to see a mechanism whereby managers can give their assessment of the referee in private to the assessors but as I said time and a place for everything. People need to stop defending stupid actions because people are upset when they lose. Same thing in the Cavan U21 game. It doesn't change the result and all it does is damage the game and make it harder for referees to go out and do the job. By the way what would you do about getting better referees? its not as if there are people lining up to do the job - you thinking of taking it up yourself?

zinny (Wexford) - Posts: 2073 - 18/06/2014 17:58:10    1605694

Eddie the Exile
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Mickey,or any other manager has the right to ask a referee how he made such a call.

There were 2 minutes of injury time added on. There were 2 minutes and 17 seconds of injury time elapsed when the final whistle blew.
Simple.
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I've already wished your team the best going forward. As I said earlier it's not a gripe against Monaghan but the officiating. I hope you are as magnanimous about it all if the same things happens your boys in the future,and I mean that in relation to any bad call that a ref might make against yez.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 18/06/2014 18:21:40    1605706

seanie_boy there is no such protocol, ask any referee and they will tell you they will blow when time is up regardless - what you and people who have never refereed don't realise is there is no special watch that buzzes when the time is reached and often the only time the referee can look at his watch is when there is a break in play.

There is a time and a place for everything, I would like to see a mechanism whereby managers can give their assessment of the referee in private to the assessors but as I said time and a place for everything. People need to stop defending stupid actions because people are upset when they lose. Same thing in the Cavan U21 game. It doesn't change the result and all it does is damage the game and make it harder for referees to go out and do the job. By the way what would you do about getting better referees? its not as if there are people lining up to do the job - you thinking of taking it up yourself?
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As I said Zinny it might not be written in stone but it's the "unwritten"protocol that has been observed for ages. If a manager asks a few questions after a game,even in an animated fashion,so what? He is just showing his passion for his team,and there is nothing more infuriating than feeling you have been hard done by on more than one occasion in a game. Are these refs not grown men who have a duty to defend their decisions. It's not like Mickey beat the head of him.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 18/06/2014 18:29:43    1605708

Let it Go Lads! its over. Otherwise I might have to get out my World Cup referee squirty cream and MACE yees!!! Good Luck Monaghan I hope you go on and retain your Anglo Celt Cup.

fortyfive (Tyrone) - Posts: 5929 - 18/06/2014 18:41:57    1605716

As I said Zinny it might not be written in stone but it's the "unwritten"protocol that has been observed for ages. If a manager asks a few questions after a game,even in an animated fashion,so what? He is just showing his passion for his team,and there is nothing more infuriating than feeling you have been hard done by on more than one occasion in a game. Are these refs not grown men who have a duty to defend their decisions. It's not like Mickey beat the head of him.

Animate my backside, his eyes were bulging out of his head, & he had to be held back. Refs are only human & yes they will make mistakes, same as players, same as managers. Dis Mickey eat the head off Morgan for missing that late free, you may be bloody sure he didn't.
And no, the refs have no duty to defend their decisions to managers or fans.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5030 - 18/06/2014 19:45:49    1605744

As I said Zinny it might not be written in stone but it's the "unwritten"protocol that has been observed for ages. If a manager asks a few questions after a game,even in an animated fashion,so what? He is just showing his passion for his team,and there is nothing more infuriating than feeling you have been hard done by on more than one occasion in a game. Are these refs not grown men who have a duty to defend their decisions. It's not like Mickey beat the head of him.

Animate my backside, his eyes were bulging out of his head, & he had to be held back. Refs are only human & yes they will make mistakes, same as players, same as managers. Dis Mickey eat the head off Morgan for missing that late free, you may be bloody sure he didn't.
And no, the refs have no duty to defend their decisions to managers or fans.
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A missed free is hardly done intentionally like blowing up a game is. Mickey still has the right to ask questions. Big Jim Mc Guinness is quite good at letting people know when he is not happy, just ask half the Donegal squad that has left or been kicked out by him,so Mickey can let his feelings be known also.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 18/06/2014 21:39:08    1605798

I'm not sure getting rid of the ball boys is such a good idea.the speed this game was played at was brilliant and made it very enjoyable.the kick outs were very fast from both teams, it was like a hurling match. Maybe the gaa are a bit hasty with this rule

kanu (Cavan) - Posts: 181 - 18/06/2014 21:45:30    1605801

Another thing Muckross,when Martin Sludden made a terrible callin the 2010 Leinster final the while country tore him to pieces for it so don't give me that oul guff about them not having to defend themselves or explain their decisions.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 18/06/2014 21:50:42    1605804

I was at the match and I was standing wondering was the match over or not. all around me were surprised that he called it after throwing up the ball. It seemed to be unfair to be honest. Mickie Harte was angered and I ca see why. I say that happen Tyrone before in a tight match and if memory serves me right it was a ref called John Bannon who did it to them. Mickie told the media then about his anger. so its probably not every team that this happens to in the championship in tight games.
I think Monaghan supporters need to not loose the run of themselves over winning that match. Sam Maguire wont be handed over til September and thats a long way off and Tyrone could be around some corner waiting on us again and with Tyrone you never know what happens.

border Gael (Monaghan) - Posts: 921 - 18/06/2014 21:51:17    1605806

Good man bordergael,a bit of straight talking and honesty on the matter.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 18/06/2014 21:56:58    1605810

kanu
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1605801 I'm not sure getting rid of the ball boys is such a good idea.the speed this game was played at was brilliant and made it very enjoyable.the kick outs were very fast from both teams, it was like a hurling match. Maybe the gaa are a bit hasty with this rule
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GAA rule making tends to use a shoot first and ask questions later approach. As the article says in todays Indo, they tend to make the rules up as they go along.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 19/06/2014 09:00:52    1605821

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I was at the match and I was standing wondering was the match over or not. all around me were surprised that he called it after throwing up the ball. It seemed to be unfair to be honest. Mickie Harte was angered and I ca see why. I say that happen Tyrone before in a tight match and if memory serves me right it was a ref called John Bannon who did it to them. Mickie told the media then about his anger. so its probably not every team that this happens to in the championship in tight games.
I think Monaghan supporters need to not loose the run of themselves over winning that match. Sam Maguire wont be handed over til September and thats a long way off and Tyrone could be around some corner waiting on us again and with Tyrone you never know what happens

I have been at games when this happened. It is not a very respectful thing to do to a team who deserves a last roll of the dice, irrespective of the exact second.

The chile spain match last night played 6 minutes of injury time, plus some more. The stops were properly legislated for. I wish the powers that be would get this right, it is something that blights the memory of good games.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3854 - 19/06/2014 09:04:39    1605824

Its a fair point to be honest. Still I still think that the ref had a reasonably good game, and any bad decisions balanced out over the game. I thought Darren Hughes black card was harsh, it was a foul but Cavanagh held his arm in tackle to turn it into a black card offence. Cavanagh did exactly the same to Hughes last year in QF when he grabbed hughes arm after hughes had executed a perfectly fine one armed tackle. He even go a yellow for it.

But yes, referees have too much to handle, hooter system would be fair for everyone. Even if it came down to something similar to rugby. When the hooter goes, the players keep playing until the ball goes dead.

supermon (Monaghan) - Posts: 1074 - 19/06/2014 10:00:10    1605855

A missed free is hardly done intentionally like blowing up a game is. Mickey still has the right to ask questions. Big Jim Mc Guinness is quite good at letting people know when he is not happy, just ask half the Donegal squad that has left or been kicked out by him,so Mickey can let his feelings be known also.

Another thing Muckross,when Martin Sludden made a terrible callin the 2010 Leinster final the while country tore him to pieces for it so don't give me that oul guff about them not having to defend themselves or explain their decisions.

Mistakes are mistakes and no mistake is made intentionally or are you saying that he decided to do Tyrone down? Hard to beat an oul conspiracy!! I agree that Mickey has the right to ask questions but there is a way to do it & if anyone came "asking questions" like that to me he would get a lot more than an answer about the questionable behaviour shown.

Your comment about JMcG is laughable. "Half the Donegal squad" amounts to Mark McHugh who left because he wanted a break, Kevin Cassidy for reasons we all know about & three squad players who never even made the subs bench. Hardly half the squad.

As for Martin Sludden, half the country did not "tear him to pieces" just a few hotheads. Most of the rest of us realised that he made a mistake, something we all do from time to time. Mind you where his umpires were I don't know.

Seanie, get used to the fact that this Tyrone team are past their best, ye will no doubt come again but for now a little grace would stand you in good stead.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5030 - 19/06/2014 12:37:33    1605970

Good posts on this lads but it is time to move on. Both Monaghan and Tyrone are out next weekend and both teams will be focusing on that as should the supporters. We will see come September who the has had the best year of the Ulster teams as with the back door system we could all meet again somewhere along the line.

muckla (UK) - Posts: 373 - 19/06/2014 13:12:31    1605989

Get your facts right Seanie boy ;;;;;;; Donegal have not lost half the squad ,, 4 gone this year but 3 of them had any if little game time. We have lost 2 senior players over the last 3 years K Cassidy, M McHugh.
But I do fell sorry for Tyrone and I felt he should have played another minute at least I for one would never run down M Hart, He has done wonders for Tyrone and Ulster football. Think Tyrone pre 2003 and where the stood as regards to the top teams in Ireland. Since M H took over plenty of success and Tyrone well respected as a great footballing team throughout Ireland ,a team a lot of counties wanted to avoid as they were so hard to beat. But all things must come to an end, and I think Tyrone must plan for the future again.
Now had Tyrone got level on Sunday IMO it would have been an injustice to Monaghan. But in saying that that don't mean the ref should blow early but the proper added time should be played.

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 19/06/2014 13:39:34    1606005