Well played to Monaghan as I thought Tyrone would have enough in hand to win the game. I don't think Tyrone have as much young talent as people think. Or has M Hart kept too loyal to his older players. But then again if you have not the young players coming through there's not much you can do.
As for Monaghan once again missed goals left them hanging on in thr end. Should have been well ahead at one stage.
No disprect to Antrim /Armagh but it looks like Donegal v Monaghan final. What kind of record have Monaghan against Armagh. If Armagh can appeal the suspension of their players then they still have a chance of an Ulster final but without those three players I think they will struggle.
I think Tyrone really have to look to the future and rebuild a new team.
Now I can't agree with Nedstormcrow about Donegal not being able to beat Monaghan One thing for sure We will have a far fitter team than last year, better full forward line than Tyrone and a better kinda blanket defence than Tyrone.
What Monaghan fans on here now must realise is ::::: last years result in the Ulster final will have no bearing on this years final nor will the Div2 league final result have any bearing on it. As Monaghan people found out even if a team has beaten you over a long period of time , one day the result wil come right for you. So with a little bit of luck for Donegal next week and providing both Donegal/Monaghan are capable of winning their semi final's we could have an interesting Ulster final

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 15/06/2014 22:01:45    1604192

Congrats to Monaghan, deserved their win. Dont think Tyrone deserved a draw nevermind a win. We were poor, we were flat and disorganised and got the result we deserved. Micky needs to take a long hard look at some of his player selections, most defenately the forwards that lined out for Tyrone. Two in particular did not feature all year, yet were handed starts for one of the biggest games of the year. Players who battled hard throughout the league, were dropped unceremoniously for players living of their reputation from by gone years. Unfair I think and not to mention very counter-productive.

Game2Halves (Tyrone) - Posts: 265 - 16/06/2014 08:41:59    1604202

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Yeah good post, kind of sums up where we are at the moment. We appear to be in some sort of footballing limbo, neither one thing or another, no real footballing philosophy or identity to speak of, just what is the Tyrone way these days, I don't know any more. We are increasingly being out fought on the field but more worryingly out thought on the sideline. Does this group of players have the fight for another run in the qualifiers or is it time to throw caution to the wind and let some of our fringe players gain valuable experience. Either way I hope yesterdays defeat can be a watershed in the way that the 2002 defeat to Sligo changed the fortunes of Tyrone football for the better.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 16/06/2014 09:19:17    1604217

One thing that struck me over the last few months on these boards was that nobody ever wrote this Tyrone off, people were keeping them as a templet/top team in Ulster. Well looking at yesterday's game Tyrone are gone downhill big time. They have not really brought in any real top class footballers over the last couple of years and it will be interesting how they perform in the back door. While they could have got a draw yesterday it would have been an injustice ti Monaghan. If MH remains in charge he has a massive job to rebuild Tyrone and on yesterday's display will have a job keeping Tyrone in Div one.
As regards Monaghan , they might lack another top class forward, especially if challenging for an All Ireland. Their back line /midfield is as good as is around, in fact I'd say Monaghan have a better back line than Dublin. But they can't miss chances , especially goal chances like yesterday. They could have been nine points up at half time but Tyrone could have got a draw at the finish.
The other big difference I noticed over the last few months on here was :::: while very few wrote off the Tyrone team a lot of people wrote off Donegal and are still doing it. As it stands now I think we are a lot better placed than Tyrone at present as regards having a good senior team. All being equal and Antrim not sprinning a shock in the semi final then I can see Donegal back at the top in Ulster again and hopefully at both senior and minor.

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 16/06/2014 09:21:19    1604219

Sam good man, chat about stating the obvious, of course Donegal are in a better position in ulster, they are still in it. Don't worry about tyrone! People are write to knock Donegal they showed very little in the league and aren't the team they were.

At this point there is no point throwing caution to the wind and throwing on boys for the sake of it. We need a new man in, I have never knocked mickey and he has been great down the years but some of the decisions the last 2 years have been insane. Now I used the argument last year that e can't see what's going on in training and these decisions must be for a good reason. But time and time again now he is getting found out. I know the options are light but possibly give mc ivor a go if he would take it or give wee peter a shot. Something has to change

redhanddefender (Tyrone) - Posts: 913 - 16/06/2014 09:34:03    1604224

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As regards Monaghan , they might lack another top class forward, especially if challenging for an All Ireland. Their back line /midfield is as good as is around, in fact I'd say Monaghan have a better back line than Dublin

Probably true, but their back line cant score the way dublins can, nor have they dublins bench. They wont challenge for an all ireland, no more than all the other counties wont, because they are just not at the 2nd half level that teams need to be at to beat the dubs.

Writing donegal off is loose talk,, and based on the fact that we were burned out last year, and have not shown 2012 levels again yet. It is too early to dismiss us on those terms in ulster anyway. I think monaghan have played the best football here we have seen this year, and for that reason they are the team to beat.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3854 - 16/06/2014 10:44:42    1604305

thought the ref was poor on a number of calls

the penalty - no black card?
hughes black card - sean was cute to grab his arm

potentially monaghan could have had 2 more black

as for the game itself poor fare, neither of these teams will be seen in late august

UniGaa (National) - Posts: 694 - 16/06/2014 11:15:47    1604337

I would say Tyrone are still a good team. We lost by one point to the Ulster Champions. Whatever else about the ref I think we'd have to concede he was worth at least one point to Monaghan on the day.

The team we started with is not our best team. There are a number of obvious changes. For example Full Forward Line has to be Mc Aliskey Coney and Mc Curry. Midfield has to be Colm and Joe.

Dublin are well ahead of everyone. Then there are 5 teams at a similar level and Tyrone are still one of them.

Come the Quarter Final draw will Cork, Mayo, Donegal and Monaghan be hoping for an easy draw against Tyrone or would they prefer someone else?

tyroneed (Tyrone) - Posts: 753 - 16/06/2014 11:53:00    1604382

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I did not say Donegal were in a better position in Ulster, I said they were in a better position as regards having a senior team. Now time is almost up with a good few players in Tyrone and the longer they hang on to them , the longer it will take to get a good senior team again. Also has M Hart not been outfoxed on a number of occasions on the sideline over the last few years. Once upon a time HE always seemed to make the right calls , it's possible he has not got the players now and let's face it Tyrone had a fantastic group of players from 03/08. Now I would say it's not very often a group of players come along together at around the same time. I think Ulster has levelled out , still out on this Monaghan team and I do believe they must regain Ulster this year if they are to challenge for the AI The other thing is they have not met any of the top teams outside of Ulster so if they are still in in August it would be interesting to see how they would fair if they would to meet Cork/Kerry/Mayo or Dublin Still Monaghan have a very impressive look about them and are now 6/5 to win Ulster with Donegal 1/1. Plus 14/1 each of them for Sam. If it comes off Donegal v Monaghan will be a massive draw in an Ulster Final. If it happens can't see it one sided like last year's final. Could have every think in it but I'd expect the big yellow bus to be properly parked this year and that we would not have to wait half an hour for our first score. The only thing I don't want to see is too many cards But of course Antrim /Armagh have to have their say yet so it's all to play for.

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 16/06/2014 12:18:03    1604409

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I know the options are light but possibly give mc ivor a go if he would take it

Hardly think McIvor would want a backwards step like that

Burnsey (Down) - Posts: 561 - 16/06/2014 13:03:36    1604446

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I would say Tyrone are still a good team. We lost by one point to the Ulster Champions. Whatever else about the ref I think we'd have to concede he was worth at least one point to Monaghan on the day.

The team we started with is not our best team. There are a number of obvious changes. For example Full Forward Line has to be Mc Aliskey Coney and Mc Curry. Midfield has to be Colm and Joe.

Dublin are well ahead of everyone. Then there are 5 teams at a similar level and Tyrone are still one of them.

Come the Quarter Final draw will Cork, Mayo, Donegal and Monaghan be hoping for an easy draw against Tyrone or would they prefer someone else?

How many points was Conor Clarke worth behind the goal?? How many points was the ref in the quarter final last year worth to ye??

supermon (Monaghan) - Posts: 1074 - 16/06/2014 13:14:30    1604459

tyroneed
Come the Quarter Final draw will Cork, Mayo, Donegal and Monaghan be hoping for an easy draw against Tyrone or would they prefer someone else?

To be honest, what I find interesting is your assumption that tyrone will be in the quarter finals... There are some tough teams in the qualifiers this year.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 16/06/2014 13:20:26    1604467

Monaghan beat Tyrone without there 2 first choice midfielders e lennon and g doogan and c mcmanus not 100% fit so for monaghan it was a great victory muineachain abu

prideof85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 851 - 16/06/2014 13:23:19    1604469

Well done to Monaghan who deserved the win. From Tyrone's point of view we just do not have the players to break the top four of Dublin, Cork, Mayo and Kerry. I think our half forward line is the weakest link in that we do not have a Brian McGuigan type provider or a worker/ scorer like Dooher. I would play both Mattie Donnelly and Peter Harte in the half forward line rather than waste their talents in the back line. The one thing I would say to Mickey Harte is start and givwe a run to the younger players like McAlister, Ronan O'Neill, Niall McKenna rather than start the old guard Stephen O'Neill, Martin Penrose etc. It is good to have that experience on the bench but we must move on. Tyrone's record in the back door is very good and another run could get us to the quarter-finals but is does look like Ulster will be better served this year by Monaghan and Donegal.

Byanthon (Tyrone) - Posts: 1792 - 16/06/2014 13:23:42    1604470

The team we started with is not our best team. There are a number of obvious changes. For example Full Forward Line has to be Mc Aliskey Coney and Mc Curry. Midfield has to be Colm and Joe.

Maybe I'm wrong I can't see Joe being fit to play in the championship this year.

MichaelO (Tyrone) - Posts: 820 - 16/06/2014 14:38:18    1604533

How many points was Conor Clarke worth behind the goal?? How many points was the ref in the quarter final last year worth to ye??

Eh?

MichaelO (Tyrone) - Posts: 820 - 16/06/2014 14:45:04    1604537

I must say I find this excuse of Conor Clarke distracting Hughes for the penalty a bit silly. Yes, Clarke shouldn't be there and it was right he was moved, but he wasn't the reason Hughes hit the post. If he was then Hughes shouldn't be let next or near a penalty again if he can't handle one man behind the goals with his arms out, but I doubt it was the reason.

patk (Monaghan) - Posts: 948 - 16/06/2014 14:56:41    1604548

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How many points was Conor Clarke worth behind the goal?? How many points was the ref in the quarter final last year worth to ye??

Eh?

Fair enough about Clarke, but saying the ref favoured Monaghan is unfair. Both analysts on Sunday games said ref had a fair game. Compared to Cormac Reilly in last two meetings between counties I think we would deserve a few decisions going our way for once.

supermon (Monaghan) - Posts: 1074 - 16/06/2014 15:01:32    1604551

Exactly patk, wait until he has to take one in front of a packed hill 16.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 16/06/2014 15:11:17    1604562

The team we started with is not our best team. There are a number of obvious changes. For example Full Forward Line has to be Mc Aliskey Coney and Mc Curry. Midfield has to be Colm and Joe.

Maybe I'm wrong I can't see Joe being fit to play in the championship this year.

Joe took a full part in the warm-up yesterday and did stretch during the game a couple of times but your probably right in that he's probably a bit off full games (particularly in midfield.

downredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 567 - 16/06/2014 15:25:40    1604571