Down are the most Jekyll and Hyde team in championship
football.While most teams differ between good and bad in
different games,Down lurch from mediocrity to excellence
in the same game.

It seems they sometimes flick a switch.Other examples
the Derry match in the Ulster Championship and the Monaghan
game in the league.

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1628 - 19/05/2014 14:25:58    1590092

Wayno Coldrick decided on a draw with that last free.He could
have let that go.There was very little in it.It is described
in The Irish News today as "soft-ish".But it was given.I dont
think Rooney would thought a free as soft as that would be given
in the last minute when the game was in the melting pot so he
felt he could stop Cavanagh's run.But it was given and its a replay

___________________

I dont know.

My viewing (and admittedly it was on tele not at the game), But my view straight away when i saw the dragging off the ball was that the ref could blow and give a free

Look, Wether it was soft or not is not really the issue. When you are a point up in a big championship game in injury time and you arent in possession of the ball you want the opposition to have to work and earn the score, Try and force a mistake/turn over. The last thing you want is to present them with a gift - An opportunity. Thats where game management and concentration comes in to it. And instead of Tyrone having to work an opening, They where handed one by niave and stupid decision making by one player.

When that sideline ball was given to Tyrone in the dying seconds, Everyone should have been switched on. Picking up the Tyrone movement.. Not grabbing hold of the Tyrone fellas, That gives them a chance to go to ground and give the referee a decision to make

Down only have themselves to blame, Not Coldrick. If they had of just picked up the runs and done the basics of defending and seeing out the game, instead of occupying themselves with man handling the Tyrone guy, Then we would most likely be sitting here talking about a one point Down win.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13650 - 19/05/2014 14:29:56    1590097

Look everyone knows it was a "soft-ish free" but I have no problem with the ref giving that. Those kind of frees are given in every game, ya cant be pulling and dragging off the ball so I think the ref was right to give the free. If it happened in the 1st half it wouldn't be mentioned today at all. Just because it was the last minute doesn't change that it was (and correctly called IMO) a free.

Down had that game won and they just couldn't close it out. A badly missed free from the 21, they got turned over twice in injury time, and stupid / bad fouls for the two Tyrone points at the end is what took the game from them. It is very hard to close out championship games, espically against tyrone for some reason and down just didnt do it yesterday. They are still in with a great chance however.

Ps. If I could pick anyone in Ireland to take a pressure free for me at the end of the game im taking cavanagh every time. B*lls of steel on the lad.

white.n.blue (Monaghan) - Posts: 249 - 19/05/2014 14:43:50    1590115

Black card causing problems already.
Inconsistent refereeing is the problem, can see this causing further problems during the summer.

hound (Meath) - Posts: 234 - 19/05/2014 14:48:16    1590120

replay confirmed for the Marshes next Saturday at 6.30pm, with Minor game before hand at 4.45pm

bridgesmiler08 (Down) - Posts: 2 - 19/05/2014 14:49:52    1590121

I think if Morgan manages to stay on the field for the full 70 minutes the next day Tyrone will progress. No harm to the replacement keeper but he appeared to be confused as to what was expected of him from his kickouts. They'll have learned a lot from yesterday and surely Mickey Harte will have devised some sort of strategy to copmensate for their porous defence. Down ran straight through the middle of them too many times yesterday.

That siad, for of of Tyrone's defensive shortcomings Down were impressive in the way they went for the jugular in the second half. I don't think the defensive, counter attacking game suits them at all. It's too alien to them. When they abandoned that tactic in the second half and reverted to what they're good at and renowned for, it was like watching a different team. So it will be interesting to see what way wee James approaches things on Saturday.

I think that Tyrone will make the necessary changes and prevail by about 4 or 5 points.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9242 - 19/05/2014 15:03:45    1590142

bridgesmiler08
County: Down
Posts: 2

1590121
replay confirmed for the Marshes next Saturday at 6.30pm, with Minor game before hand at 4.45pm

which minors as Tyrone beat Down on sunday ?

fortyfive (Tyrone) - Posts: 5929 - 19/05/2014 15:07:34    1590147

Fair enough Wayno but there is an element of nerves in the
last few minutes of Championship and mistakes happen.

I think Down actually showed great mettle yesterday.After
a Tyrone counter attack goal put them ahead 2-9 to 1-5,
many teams heads would have dropped but Down refused to buckle
and played some terrific football.I think there fighting spirit
was commendable yesterday.

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1628 - 19/05/2014 15:11:23    1590151

19/05/2014 15:07:34
fortyfive
County: Tyrone
Posts: 5807

1590147
bridgesmiler08
County: Down
Posts: 2

1590121
replay confirmed for the Marshes next Saturday at 6.30pm, with Minor game before hand at 4.45pm

which minors as Tyrone beat Down on sunday ?

Tyrone v Monaghan.

MourneArmy (Down) - Posts: 1787 - 19/05/2014 15:14:51    1590155

19/05/2014 15:07:34
fortyfive
County: Tyrone
Posts: 5807

1590147
bridgesmiler08
County: Down
Posts: 2

1590121
replay confirmed for the Marshes next Saturday at 6.30pm, with Minor game before hand at 4.45pm

which minors as Tyrone beat Down on sunday ?

Monaghan minors, it's the quarter-final.

patk (Monaghan) - Posts: 936 - 19/05/2014 15:14:59    1590156

hound
County: Meath
Posts: 212

1590120 Black card causing problems already.
Inconsistent refereeing is the problem, can see this causing further problems during the summer.
________________
Agreed hound, I have no issues with the spirit of the black card, its the officials implementation and interpretation that I question.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 19/05/2014 15:20:25    1590161

Put it like this Soma - as it stands you cannot criticise any wrong decision a referee makes. Without going in to specific examples or naming individual referees you can have a situation where a ref makes a number of wrong decisions in the game. The GAA won't come out and say if a ref has made wrong calls and no way will the ref do so (publically anyway) and if you try to raise/question the decision you are wasting your time as the wagons get circled. Yet for all who are watching it is as plain as the nose on your face that he has got decisions wrong. Next game, the ref goes out and has a similar performance but again you daren't speak out against it nor will the GAA, nor will the ref. Next game..... and so it continues. My point being, if you don't deal with a problem effectively then it will remain a problem.

I know it sounds like I have it in for referees but this is not the case and have been complimentary of referees where they are deserving of it - instead, I call a spade a spade and if a referee is bad or inconsistent then he should be accountable. If a player goes out and is inconsistent from game to game he will find himself at best only off the starting 15. The same cannot be said for referees. I understand the frustration of managers and fans around referees as ultimately these mistakes can cost teams and when you get to All Ireland level with a lot more at stake it is this inconsistency which could be the difference between continuing in the Championship or putting the training equipment in to storage for another few months.

Its easy to play the 'sure its a thankless task' or 'if you think you can do better' cards but the fact is these men have put themselves forward as referees and therefore have a duty to get decisions right. A bad referee is one thing but if he is bad for both teams then its a leveller. An inconsistent referee on the other hand is a nightmare as players, managers or spectators don't know what decision is coming next. Unfortunately we see far too much inconsistent refereeing for my likes and I don't think this new Black Card is going to help the situation but make it a lot worse.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 19/05/2014 15:34:11    1590170

This game is not over by any means. Down in Newry are a different beast.

Was a little worrying to see both teams turning to veterans to pull them out.

I know it's early days but surely Tyrone's young fellas are a different breed altogether from the noughties side?

Brolly (Monaghan) - Posts: 4472 - 19/05/2014 15:36:45    1590174

Every year RTE choose to show almost every Tyrone game whilst every game complaining about what terrible viewing it is with comments about diving and too many defenders.

They also choose to show perhaps 1 game from the whole Munster championship whilst telling us that those teams are playing great stuff.

If they hate Tyrone matches so much they should stop showing them.

For those that were actually at the game it was actually very good entertainment

tyroneed (Tyrone) - Posts: 753 - 19/05/2014 16:13:44    1590213

If you have a Season Ticket will u be billed for the
replay??

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1628 - 19/05/2014 16:29:16    1590223

No - first round replays are covered

maor_uisce (Tyrone) - Posts: 167 - 19/05/2014 16:42:17    1590239

Cheers maor uisce.I just looked at my attendance figures there
and it says 3/9 when I have attended 6/8.Is there any way to
rectify that??

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1628 - 19/05/2014 16:45:51    1590241

Thought the Sunday game nighttime programme was very focused in the black card but didn't once mention the new advantage rule. Considering Tyrone should have been given the advantage before the penalty was awarded which would have resulted in a goal being awarded.
If Tyrone had of missed the penalty there would have been trouble

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 19/05/2014 16:51:11    1590243

The question is what do Tyrone do now? Do they bring back the older players in a bid to MAYBE win another Ulster title or, stick with the younger lads for the future.
Down brought on two young lads and Coulter at half time. Its not the first time James Mc Cartan turned it around at half time, he is no mug.
Is Tyrone's Ronan O Neill injured?

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1046 - 19/05/2014 16:52:37    1590244

Downs greater energy and silky forwards to edge the replay.The great days for Tyrone are a thing of the past.A pale shadow of the side that won all before them.Great man that Micky Harte is,its time he stepped aside.

cuederocket (Dublin) - Posts: 5084 - 19/05/2014 17:06:46    1590255