Not really sure where I stand on this one. I personally score alot of goals with my fist and always have but it seems to be getting more common.
It doesnt look as good as a kicked goal but I suppose it incorporates more team play.

dstuction (Donegal) - Posts: 1209 - 18/03/2014 08:16:06    1561264

FormerPoster

Rock didn't score a goal v Kerry last year. Dublin goal scorers were Mannion, Kev Mc and O'Gara. If which Mannion's superb punch to the net was not only the pick of the bunch skill wise but the only one with the hand.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13802 - 18/03/2014 09:33:19    1561287

It is ridiculous to suggest, as some on this thread are doing, that there is little or no skill in scoring goals with the hand.

Some goals with the hands involve little enough skill, eg both Vinnies and Mitchells second goals yesterday were simple finishes after good build up. However if we take Connolly's flicked effort wesee a lot of skill as well as MMannion's goal in last year's semi final which was an incredible finish. Anyone who thinks that those two finishes were easy are delusional imo.

I'm sure other posters have other examples too. And some goals scored with the foot are fairly simple too. When a player receives a pass or a rebound into their hands and only has to tap it in. Should we get rid of those goals too?

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13802 - 18/03/2014 09:41:20    1561291

i personally think it should only be allowed if it was a closed fist

royalcountyman (Meath) - Posts: 46 - 18/03/2014 10:38:01    1561327

Paul Mannion's goal last year was an outstanding piece of skill I love a fisted goal.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 18/03/2014 10:48:55    1561335

realdub
Ah Master, leave little Jayo out of this, scored 99% of his goals with the feet

I have no issue with the other 99% of his goals...


MesAmis, I believe the point wasnt about genuine fisted efforts... In fact one of the goals you listed was given as an example of the type of goal he wasnt speaking about. Either you didnt read it or you chose to ignore it. Both are not acceptable.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 18/03/2014 10:53:49    1561345

Frankbhoy77

Rules of Football - Rule 3.4 If a defending player plays the ball through his own scoring space in any manner, it shall count as a score

game.on.now.ger (Galway) - Posts: 423 - 18/03/2014 11:13:50    1561374

MesAmis - Is this a skill that is keeping with the traditions of Gaelic Football? It's not. It's more suited to volleyball or basketball.

Take Mannion's goal against Kerry for example. You say it took an incredible piece of skill. I would say it would have required more skill to catch the ball, take on his marker and shoot past the keeper. That is the type of thing I want to see rewarded on the scoreboard.

Allowing goals to be flicked to the net only encourages playing the basketball friendly footballer in the full-forward line who has a height advantage on everyone.

Likewise if your opponent is taller than you then as a defender there is little you can do about goals like that. So removing the hand assisted goal would be encouraging strong defensive tackling - that is in reply to those who think it have an effect on the attacking team. At the minute goals with the hand strongly favour the attacking team especially since the square ball was changed.

On the same topic, the fisted point should also be abolished.

Former_Poster (Meath) - Posts: 394 - 18/03/2014 11:22:47    1561383

The Master - here is the opening post again for you buddy.............have a read through it again like a good buachaillín.

Watching the All Ireland club final and Vincents 2 goals with the hands, I really think if you score by punching or slapping the ball into the net it should be only 1 point. Far too easy to do. It's a bit of a cop out really. Give the 3 points for a goal with the foot, but only 1 point for the hands.
What think you all?

Clearly states slapping or punching. Not acceptable at all.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13802 - 18/03/2014 11:29:00    1561385

Former_Poster
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MesAmis - Is this a skill that is keeping with the traditions of Gaelic Football? It's not. It's more suited to volleyball or basketball.

Take Mannion's goal against Kerry for example. You say it took an incredible piece of skill. I would say it would have required more skill to catch the ball, take on his marker and shoot past the keeper. That is the type of thing I want to see rewarded on the scoreboard.

True it would've been more difficult for Mannion to catch the ball and kick it to the net rather than punch it in. However that punch was still a rearkable piece of skill.

Also take Maurice Fitzgerald's glorious point v the Dubs in 2001. It would've been more skillful if he had kicked it with his weaker left foot while lying on his back though.

You can make your argument about Mannion's goal for any other score ever scored in fairness. There is a possible scenario to argue that every score could be more skillful in some ways.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13802 - 18/03/2014 11:33:45    1561394

MesAmis - we need to decide what skills are to be encouraged in Gaelic Football and what ones are better suited to other sports. As I say the punched goal, the palmed goal, the flicked goal all require a great degree of skill and practise themselves but is that what we want players to be practising at the expense of everything else?

I have seen too often players from other sports being left in the full-forward line with the main purpose being to outreach their direct opponent. This trend will continue as from what I can tell it's rewarding to have this type of player in your team.

Former_Poster (Meath) - Posts: 394 - 18/03/2014 11:45:05    1561405

MesAmis, the poster subsequently stated that he was referring to a double-handed palm into the net. Reading the first line of the opening post in isolation doesnt cut it im afraid.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 18/03/2014 12:13:11    1561428

The Master

You really not on form at all today. Nowhere in his posts does the opening poster refer that the point is regarding only goals slapped 2 handed to the net.

Yes they are refered to, but not exclusively. The argument is about all goals scored with the hand.

You really aren't cutting the mustard in terms of reading today.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13802 - 18/03/2014 12:23:32    1561439

If a ball was kicked but came off a teammate on the way would that still be only one point? What if they headed it? People come out with this knee-jerk stuff but have no idea how it would be actually enforced.

doublehop (Kildare) - Posts: 4172 - 18/03/2014 12:32:22    1561444

I think one handed goals are class Eg Connollys yesterday, Paul mannions v Kerry. Paul Clarke scored a great one v meath back in 95 I think. But the two handed slap is not great and if you watch Bernard bRogan s second goal in all ireland, he actually catches the ball for a fraction of a second and half throws it in.

Malonemagic (Laois) - Posts: 817 - 18/03/2014 12:46:05    1561457

Nothing knee jerk about this doublehop as it's on the increase and would be one area to make the game a better spectacle.

It's fairly easy to implement: Any deliberate attempt to play the ball over or under the crossbar with the hands is a free out.

The rule alone would be enough to deter players from doing it and would force managers into a rethink about giving Tomas O'Connor or Eoghan O'Gara type full-forwards a starting jersey at the expense of an Eamonn Callaghan or a Kevin McMenamin.

Former_Poster (Meath) - Posts: 394 - 18/03/2014 13:01:52    1561474

Hey Master and Mes,
I actually agreed after some thought and some excellent posts that a one handed fisted goal such as the one diarmid Connolly scored yesterday should be legit. I still think the 2 handed slapped goal is more volley ball than gaelic football and has minimal skill involved.
I teach American lads Gaelic football and they actually are surprised that that type of score is allowed in the game.
Enjoying the debate though.

Dubfan Abroad (Dublin) - Posts: 282 - 18/03/2014 15:17:39    1561575

Hey Master, my original post was slaughtered by admin regarding Sherlock, was banter and nothing else. :)

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8756 - 18/03/2014 16:41:00    1561652

Malone magic - Yeah Paul Clarke scored a cracker against Meath in that '95 Leinster final demolition. It must have been a mile in the air but he kept his eye on it and bang,top corner. Terrific skill. Mattie McGleenon scored a few fisted goals for Tyrone that same year. In my opinion the two handed palm to the net ones don't look right somehow but they should still be kept to reward the team play that gets you that close to goal.

Can't understand those who dislike having a big full forward with a height advantage, punching balls to the net. It's one of the oldest and most effective tactics in the game and keeps things interesting if your 2 points down in the last minute.

Suas Sios (None) - Posts: 1558 - 18/03/2014 19:49:35    1561780

If it's so easy to score a goal why do players not score 3 goals every game. its not that easy especially when there is a kepper in the way of the goals

loyalroyal15 (Meath) - Posts: 56 - 18/03/2014 20:23:18    1561799