Watching the All Ireland club final and Vincents 2 goals with the hands, I really think if you score by punching or slapping the ball into the net it should be only 1 point. Far too easy to do. It's a bit of a cop out really. Give the 3 points for a goal with the foot, but only 1 point for the hands.
What think you all?

Dubfan Abroad (Dublin) - Posts: 282 - 17/03/2014 16:53:57    1560937

If anything it's more difficult than scoring with the foot, since you have no control over where the ball is before you strike it, and you can get far less power behind it than kicking it. If you kick the ball you can sacrifice a bit of accuracy for pure power, can't really do that with a fisted effort, it has to be both fast and accurate.

No score is any less skillful than another as far as I'm concerned. Whats next, a scaled system where the value of every score is calculated depending on where/how it is scored? Higher points for kicks from tight angles? Lower scores from inside the 21? Scores off the bad foot count double?

CastleBravo (Meath) - Posts: 1678 - 17/03/2014 17:03:47    1560943

You seriously think you have no control of a 2 handed slap? The Castlebar lads 2 handed goal was well directed into the net. If he was sliding in with the foot to do that he would not have scored as easily. Goals should be reserved for the foot only.

Dubfan Abroad (Dublin) - Posts: 282 - 17/03/2014 17:10:10    1560951

Dubfan what about kicking a goal in hurling? Do you think that should be stopped too?

Cute_Kerry_Hoor (Kerry) - Posts: 2518 - 17/03/2014 17:19:41    1560974

We would have been in trouble in the AI last September if that was the case lol, if I had my way, I'd outlaw it and the kicking in hurling!

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8756 - 17/03/2014 17:25:27    1560989

I don't agree either. The goal Connolly goal with his flick was a fantastic bit of skill. Most goals with the hand are well worked goals which is part of the game. There has been enough changes of late can we not leave this beautiful game alone without wanting to make changes every year.

dubshurling7 (Dublin) - Posts: 1017 - 17/03/2014 17:27:58    1560991

No way as their is nothing wrong with it
Connolly goal was brilliant skill
Scoring goal with boot in hurl long is great skill too
Shouldn't punish players for showing initiative

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 17/03/2014 17:33:52    1561002

I've been saying this for an age now. I'd love to see goals with the hands outlawed. Very little skill in it. Don't know how anyone can say it's easier to score with the foot. Take Castlebar's second goal today. Instead of basically throwing the ball into the net, wouldn't be much more in keeping with the traditions of Gaelic Football, if the forward had to gain control of the ball, maybe sidestep a defender and then finish to the net.

Ironically I've been monitoring goals scored with the hands for a while now and Mayo and Dublin would be the two teams who gain most from it, e.g. Brogan's goals in the All-Ireland Final, Mannion and Rock versus Kerry. Cillian O'Connor scored several goals with his hands and Conroy threw one into the net 2 years in a Quarter-Final. Also last year's All-Ireland club final between St Brigids and Ballymun Kickhams had I think 3 goals scored with the hands.

Former_Poster (Meath) - Posts: 394 - 17/03/2014 17:42:59    1561010

I dont more and it too much but I think it should only be allowed with a single fist movement ,two hands pushing the ball in the net apart from no skill involved it just looks stupid

bisto kid (Cavan) - Posts: 492 - 17/03/2014 18:22:08    1561041

I actually think it takes a lot of skill to score with the foot in hurling, if they were allowed score a goal with a handpass in hurling that would be just as bad. I think at least maybe being only allowed to use one hand to punch the ball in to score a goal. This slapping the ball in 2 handed is horrible stuff altogether.

Dubfan Abroad (Dublin) - Posts: 282 - 17/03/2014 18:27:52    1561046

Should be a one handed effort only and with a clear striking action,with an open hand is fine if done this way.Problem sometimes is that it looks like the player is cupping/catching the ball for a very brief moment and then it becomes a "throw" to the net.Thats not allowed and should be called out by refs and umpires.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 17/03/2014 19:26:14    1561083

One hand I'd agree with!

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8756 - 17/03/2014 19:49:23    1561110

OK this is slightly off the point a little but but is something my son asked me today and I couldn't answer. In hurling and football you cannot hand/fist pass directly to the net. My question is, if a play fists then ball or hand passes to the keeper and if goes directly to the net, what is the outcome? Should the goal stand even though it was scored through an illegitimate action, or is it a free or penalty. Or any other outcome?

frankbhoy77 (Antrim) - Posts: 1300 - 17/03/2014 20:40:47    1561176

That would be an own goal I would imagine frankbhoy!

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8756 - 17/03/2014 20:58:51    1561203

how about having a rule that you can't handle the ball at all. also because the players are so fit now and there is so little space on the pitch, why not reduce the teams to 11-a-side. and increase the playing time to 90 minutes... oh and pay them.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5520 - 17/03/2014 21:02:31    1561210

Interesting point. I have to say, I dont like these goals where guys palm the ball into the net. I remember Jason Sherlock getting one against my own county a few years back where he basically had the ball in his hands and pushed it into the goal. It had more in common with a catch and throw than anything. There probably should be more stringent rules around this sort of thing.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 17/03/2014 21:09:28    1561215

OK real dub probably so. Now what if the ball had been thrown by a defender and it went straight to the net? Would the goal stand

frankbhoy77 (Antrim) - Posts: 1300 - 17/03/2014 21:15:49    1561218

Ah Master, leave little Jayo out of this, scored 99% of his goals with the feet

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8756 - 17/03/2014 21:25:58    1561226

The scoring system and the method of scoring is perfectly fine.A goal is a goal and as along as there is a clear striking action when the ball is being palmed into the net then it is fine.Taking away a palmed/punched goal after a well worked move would punish good attacking play and good team work.

uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 17/03/2014 21:57:48    1561255

I think it would frankbhoy!

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8756 - 17/03/2014 21:59:17    1561258