Ath Cliath....this is how SKY works...how many english premiership games are shown live on terrestrial TV whereas 20 years ago there was regular live games on BBC and ITV on friday evenings and sunday lunchtime...we had live heineken cup rugby on RTE...how many live heineken cup rugby games on RTE now?...
wake up and smell the coffee...the access of the elderly and children to live games will be gone in a few years time

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 04/04/2014 21:50:50    1570570

1993. I think it was 7 live senior football matches. Am I right????

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 04/04/2014 21:56:32    1570573

time to wake up to the implications of this sordid backhand deal

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 04/04/2014 21:59:37    1570578

Mayotyroneman. I think you are the one who needs to wake up. Your talking nonsense. What did the elderly do in 1990??? How many games did rte show live that year?? In football 3 how did children or the elderly watch them then? Talk about over reaction. Here's an idea if you want to see your county playing , Go the match . 14 games , yeah its the ruination of gaa. Either talk sense or say nothing at all. But please tell me were you that concerned before 1990 as to how children or the elderly could watch a match???

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 05/04/2014 08:14:45    1570580

M.T.M
Spot on.
Free to air transmission of major championship matches will be over in 5 years if ordinary supporters do not challenge this. The following are just a few tactics that might be adopted to convey to the powers that be our disgust at the conduct in this matter
(1) not attending club, colleges or ordinary league games. These games currently attract big following from people who are 50 plus and we will be hugely affected in 10 or 15 years time when we are no longer able to travel to matches and will be forced to fork out. 500 or 600 Euro a years to Murdock to view games we have seen for free all our lives
(2) Strongly voicing our concerns regarding this matter to all County Board delegates and main officers at every given opportunity
(3) Withholding the annual subscription of about 100 Euro that many give to Co Board Draws

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4509 - 05/04/2014 09:05:55    1570585

I feel sorry for the average man in their 60's or 70's who played the game for 20-30 years served on committees did umpire, linesman etc for many years. They now have to pay to see some of our games. IMO this is very harsh. The money doesn't filter down to the clubs or county boards maybe the big counties but my club have never received a cent from HQ and we don't even have a county ground either!!!

croker16 (Louth) - Posts: 349 - 05/04/2014 09:52:55    1570591

Since Dublin and Kerry (Football) Kilkenny and Cork (Hurling) won all Ireland titles in the 1970's neither football or hurling has been the same since they have both been brought to new levels, the players now from div.1 in particular, train professionally and play professionally but at the same time remaining amateurs.
Div.3 and div.4 teams rarely get their games broadcast on national radio and very seldom if ever get their games broadcast live on national television.
So it appears as if it's teams from div.1 in hurling and football that's going to be the driving force behind this Sky pay for view deal.
Mr O'Neill said he was taken aback and disappointed with the treatment he got from RTE, I think RTE let him off lightly, he forgets that us ordinary mortals have feelings on this matter, just because he says something doesn't mean it's right or acceptable to one and all, and by the way should this issue not have gone through central council and congress.
14 game a year over the next 3 years, in addition it say's sky sports will show AI semi finals and finals, football and hurling that makes it 20 games a year or 60 games over 3 years, thin end of the wedge I think.

It's an amateur sport being slowly brought to a professional level, - - -
If there's pay for view then there should be pay for play, its long over due.

supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 3193 - 05/04/2014 10:28:02    1570597

Personally I cant wait for the 2020 All Ireland football final between the western warriors and the northern knights(played of course at 5 on a Monday evening so it wont clash with Stoke and Fulham).Should be a cracker!

juniorbsub (Wexford) - Posts: 646 - 05/04/2014 10:51:10    1570603

Yip. With Sky's marketing machine behind them they're bound to make our hurling and football and hurling as popular worldwide as soccer and rugby. Inevitable really that with the millions created from this newfound market they'll buy up all the GAA tv rights. They haven't had a second of GAA coverage yet but people are complaining about possible presenters and speculating about future deals. Let's give it the championship to see how they do first.

Online there's ways to watch the sky sports channels free as we know, security-wise they're risky.

As a good faith gesture the GAA and Sky should come up with some type of limited Skygo account for season ticket holders which allows them to safely watch their GAA coverage online. For older people or anyone with children it would be a welcome gesture.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8079 - 05/04/2014 11:01:09    1570606

juniorbsub you have hit the nail on the head completely...in the grand scheme of thinks gaa will be swallowed up into global minority sports coverage within the SKY schedule. within a few years our major games will be relegated to thursday nights on sky sports 4

the likes of royal dunne lives in the world that pollyanna exists in. there is something special that the gaa currently has. those of us who work tirelessly in our clubs know that through our volunteering we are potentially working with young lads who will go on to represent our clubs and ultimately play for their county. there is something very special in the role county players play within our club. This deal is the thin end of the wedge which will create elitism within the gaa, where county stars no longer have any connection to their club,. and the deal ultimately leads to the professionalisation of the sport.

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 05/04/2014 11:40:56    1570616

Personally I cant wait for the 2020 All Ireland football final between the western warriors and the northern knights(played of course at 5 on a Monday evening so it wont clash with Stoke and Fulham).Should be a cracker!

This thread has had so many articulate and well thought arguments both for and against Sky's deal, but yours for me is the most poignant. This is exactly the model in mind Sky have for GAA.

The naivety of some posters on here reminds me of going back to Mayo in 2004 and seeing Electricians and Plasterers driving round in top of the range BMW's. lads wake up......

Fiveways (Mayo) - Posts: 19 - 05/04/2014 11:53:34    1570620

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1569474 The comparison of Australia to the UK, free v pay for view. Live games in Australia are at unsociable times, it would be hard to see any of the cable operators paying for them and it would also mean the games would lose potential audiences. With this deal at least the Irish will no longer need the GAA as an excuse to go to the pub in Australia! The UK is a very different prospect and I can well imagine a lot of the Irish people will already have SKY anyway. It opens the door in the UK to a much wider audience not just first generation but perhaps third and fourth generation. We tend to forget the Irish English community because they don't celebrate their Irish ancestry the same way as the Americans but they are still a huge potential audience.
I am not quite sure what the plan is for the USA but I cannot see it being left to the online player, is sky sports available in the USA?

I will say it again, everybody outside Ireland, The UK, and Australia will have to sign up to a subscription online service provided by RTE (most likely on their RTE player) and the GAA. No details of this service has been made available. No Details of the fees they will charge, no details of the coverage they will provide. Why did they announce this whole deal and waffle on about providing the games to people abroad without having those details available?

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Sky Sports is not available in the USA but some of its soccer programming is also broadcast in the States via FOX Sports.
TG4 shows some league matches here online and Premium Sports shows League and SFC and SHC online ppv or a subscription.

This debate reminds me of the baseball debate in NYC a number of years ago.
Local stations used to broadcast Mets and Yankees games for decades. All that was needed was antenna on top of the telly or on the roof if need be. Then the Mets and Yankees formed a SNY and YES sports channels respectively and transferred the games to cable or satellite TV. I switched to get cable and then satellite but cancelled it 3 years ago and put an antenna back on my roof to get over-the-air tv broadcasts. The cable and satellite fees started about $50 (37 euro) but increased over several years to $82 (60 euro) per month. I've saved about $3,000 (2200 euro) since "cutting the cord."

mikeyjoe (USA) - Posts: 415 - 05/04/2014 13:36:46    1570644

Royal Dunne is right - in 1993 ( i could be wrong ) but was there only 6 live county championship games in the whole year, now what was there for the young , the old etc....

there are some national league gmes bigger than champioship games, not many but some, RTE have never shown a legue game, its highlights package is extremely poor,

yes we don't want sky to get everything ...but we are members, we have a vote , we have a say in how our clubs , counties and the GAA is run.....

cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1688 - 05/04/2014 13:42:46    1570646

I don't see the harm in giving this a go.

I was disapointed with coverage of National League games to date, and I would like to see what Sky do with it.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3026 - 05/04/2014 13:54:19    1570649

mayotyroneman
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1570570 Ath Cliath....this is how SKY works...how many english premiership games are shown live on terrestrial TV whereas 20 years ago there was regular live games on BBC and ITV on friday evenings and sunday lunchtime...we had live heineken cup rugby on RTE...how many live heineken cup rugby games on RTE now?...
wake up and smell the coffee...the access of the elderly and children to live games will be gone in a few years time

Mayotyroneman, I understand people not wanting sky involved everyone is entitled to their views., I also understand people wanting an opportunity for better tv coverage of our games and at the moment Sky are the only ones with the finances to do so. Its a 3 year deal that I would imagine cannot be touched because of agreements with rte and tng amongst others. But don't let that get in the way of good oul scaremongering. Your memory of soccer twenty years ago is nothing like it was , there was match of the day in the evening and people had to go the pub on a Saturday because pubs had dodgy boxes that could get coverage from some foreign country . I think people hear are underestimating the power people in clubs around Ireland would have over the GAA if it they see something happening that is not helpful to the GAA. This case in point hasn't started yet , we can only speculate.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 05/04/2014 14:08:54    1570652

This Sky deal is a perfect opportunity for players to stake their claim to the windfall that is coming the GAA's way. For example, just b4 a live game, it would only take a senior player in a team to stand up just b4 they are to go out the tunnel and request that he and his team mates get a particular cut of the proceeds gained for that particular game or he and his team mates will not be going out of the changing room. This I feel is going to happen and in a way I would love to see it happen given the carefree attitude of the top brass towards the grassroots.

medaman (Tyrone) - Posts: 64 - 05/04/2014 14:47:22    1570662

Ath cliath get your facts right...bbc were showing live friday night games in the eighties.....junoiorsub is bang on the money with his post...we are heading for franchises dominating gaelic games...and the game schedule being dictated by sky executives...remember the outcry about froiday night games from players and supporters...well thats what we're heading for...sky will put pressure on the gaa hierarchy to introduce pay per play to appease the GPA outcry about players having to play fridays...whats choice are the gaa left with..accept the pressure from SKY and the GPA...and professionalism is introduced through the back door

mayotyroneman (Tyrone) - Posts: 1821 - 05/04/2014 14:53:20    1570664

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1570513
MuckrossHead
County: Donegal
As for not going to matches, I'd say you are well wide of the mark there. The very fact that someone would go to the bother of commenting here would indicate to me that they are big into GAA & would therefore by definition go to games.

Really? That's not what you were saying before...

If you would care to actually read the posts involved then you wouldn't spout such drivel.

Kingdom referred specifically to posters on HS while I did not. As I explained on a subsequent post I was referring to people on other platforms & forums who were coming out with nonsense that showed they knew nothing at all about the GAA.

Still, why let facts get in the way.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 05/04/2014 15:40:36    1570677

04/04/2014 21:20:15 mayotyroneman
it's unbelievable that people are so deluded as to think that this deal is going to behefit our games...this is nonsense...fewer people get to see the games therefore it has an impact...if i want to watch cork play kerry in the championship, I will not get in the car and drive all the way down to cork to watch a game...i also do not want to bring my family into a pub to watch a game...at this stage of their lives i feel it is wrong to expose to them an environment where alcohol is prevalent...oh i though that actually was an im of the GAA as well...oh is ee, it actually isn't now..we don't care if our young people watch games in a pub environment...How is it nonsense. You can still watch games on line.. sky go, go to neighbours, stream games on lin

04/04/2014 21:46:39
mayotyroneman
the reality is that SKY will seek to renegotiate the deal next year...this is how they work....it is so niaive to think that SKY are in this for the benefit of gaelic games...the opposite is true...some people still don't seem to be able to get it that if I want to watch a game at the other ed of the country, i am not going to drive 300 miles..instead the kids and i would like to watch it on TV, and I don't want them watching it in a pub How is it the reality Sky will renegotiate the deal. They may not think its worth it.. you cant say that at all. Sky are not in it for the benefit of gaelic games but no media company covering games are in it for benefit of GAA they all are only in it for benefit of themselves

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 05/04/2014 16:14:00    1570689

04/04/2014 21:42:56
Former_Poster
Can't see a situation where no games will be shown on normal TV - look at the outcry when 9 games have been taken away. Imagine if a further 30 were to go !! That's not going to happen. And Sky is still normal tv...

04/04/2014 21:46:39
mayotyroneman
the reality is that SKY will seek to renegotiate the deal next year...this is how they work....it is so niaive to think that SKY are in this for the benefit of gaelic games...the opposite is true...some people still don't seem to be able to get it that if I want to watch a game at the other ed of the country, i am not going to drive 300 miles..instead the kids and i would like to watch it on TV, and I don't want them watching it in a pubno proof that that will happen with Sky negotiating a new deal. Mightnt be worth it for them. This deal may not bring them what they think it could

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 05/04/2014 16:19:30    1570690