The GAA should stop tweeking the rules,don't fix what's not broken. Other than that I would say it doesn't get the praise it deserves!

Givehersocks (Westmeath) - Posts: 5 - 03/03/2014 18:37:58    1554144

Back to the facts Since Jan30th Rugby related programming on rte now stands at 46h:55min (courtesy of @rtewatch) Gaa related sports programming stands at 5hrs in the same period. So that is 46h:55min in roughly one month. Much of that is not 6 Nations. It includes at least 6h of Rabo (3 matches)U20 Internationals Women's International; and a number of programmes such as "Grand Slam year" or "The 2009 season" (not sure of exact titles). Even the quality of the programmes such as Against The Head where clearly money is no object is miles ahead of League Sunday with its on the pitch location for interviews analysis etc. If there is that much money to spend on sport should it not be shared out more equitably.

mod (Mayo) - Posts: 859 - 03/03/2014 20:54:20    1554266

your spot on mod
six nations is the national team i see no problem with showing that
just like the irish soccer team is national team
but they show the rugby challenge matches for ireland
but dont show the soccer challenge matches for ireland
so if the likes of ormond cannot see ryle nugents influence they should take off the tinted glasses
how can anybdoy even suggest womens rugby and under age rugby should be shown ahead of the league

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 03/03/2014 21:02:38    1554277

hill16no1man
County: Dublin
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Fair play. you notices I was from limerick and assumed im a fair weather Munster and Limerick supporter and sing the fields of athenry for the banter. ya thats a lovely stereotype. Grow up man! People all over limerick city and county love rugby. The days of it only in the city and suburbs are gone. I dont live in the city and most of the people I play hurling with would have a very big interest in Rugby. Im sorry you guys in the North of dublin are so ignorant of the game but if you knew anything about the game in limerick is that anyone plays, be they farmers, electricians, teachers, doctors or accountants.

Getting back to this topic I think Gaelic football gets its fair share of praise as it is the most popular game in the country in terms of playing numbers. Read any papers and they will all have very good reporting on games and leagues for every county, even in the third and fourth division. One sad part of hurlings images which is the inability to highlight and support the fringe counties and put their results and games on the papers too.

Fishermantom (Limerick) - Posts: 569 - 03/03/2014 21:09:56    1554287

hill16no1man
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tg4 arent showing all dublins matches live
dublin v westmeath was deferred
while they also showed dublin v galway in hurling and dublin v clare in hurling in the exact same way deferred
so your talking rubbish

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OK, so TG4 only showed Dublin football v Westmeath deferred. That is one fact wrong, what others are there? . I said they didn't show Dublin's hurling games live. You should read the post I actually made before making comments like that

KeyserSoze (Cork) - Posts: 363 - 03/03/2014 21:38:58    1554319

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your spot on mod
six nations is the national team i see no problem with showing that
just like the irish soccer team is national team
but they show the rugby challenge matches for ireland
but dont show the soccer challenge matches for ireland
so if the likes of ormond cannot see ryle nugents influence they should take off the tinted glasses
how can anybdoy even suggest womens rugby and under age rugby should be shown ahead of the league
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Rugby team rarely plays "challenge matches.
The meaningless soccer freindlies are shown on Sky. If you have a problem with that you should take it up with the FAI , and not RTE, who sold Sky the live televison rights and tried to sell them the live rights for all qualifier matches a few years back.

KeyserSoze (Cork) - Posts: 363 - 03/03/2014 21:44:33    1554327

03/03/2014 16:48:05 hill16no1man
you realy think ireland v italy in six nations is bigger then dublin v meath in leinster championship? your off your rocker if you think so.
if that was the case then how is gaelic football the biggest sport in the country?
if rugby matches are bigger and more people are interested wouldnt that make it bigger?
who cares how old a tournament is!
the inter pros are a long time on the go to but dont mean its the bees knees
irish games are huge to rugby people but not to most others
unlike some people in rte seem to think the nation stops and holds its breath when ireland play rugby
How often do Dublin play Meath in the Leinster championship?
There will be way more passive viewers of an Ireland Italy game than a Dublin Meath game as well as more die hard viewers. Considering the national team is playing.
The age of a tournament means a huge amount history, nostalgia about previous games all help.
You are frankly deluded with this rambling post...
Irish rugby games have been getting huge crowds and big tv coverage for years especially the former 5 nations, now 6 nations.
The situation is not like that at all in RTE(I know very well an RTE sound production guy(initials JT) and he says GAA dominates RTE. Look to coverage in news programmes of the club championships which RTE do not have the right to..
03/03/2014 16:48:05 hill16no1man
your comparing the rabo to the national league and you somehow think rte make better viewing from it then
they would from shoing the national league haha
the national league is bigger competition then rabo league
look at the attendances
look at the teams put out
the rabo has complete second teams most the time
is shown no respect as often games are played he same evening as six nations games
nugent clearly decides whats what
he got rid of the premiership highlights to show more rugby
if the gaa gets huge viewing figures for rte in the championship
wouldnt it clearly be worth there while bidding for league games as its bigger then rabo for them
National League has 32 teams all from Ireland, of course attendances will be bigger there's way more games and easier to get to games for supporters. Irish sides have to play 8 games out of Ireland In pro12.
Rabo does have teams not at full strength out a sometimes but its totally false to say they have second teams out most of the time. Having games on same time as 6 nations games doesn't at all mean a lack of respect. There is only a limited number of weekends in the season to play games. Soccer can cope more and not have club games same time as internationals as players can play mid week and play 2-3 games a week which is not possible in pro rugby

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 03/03/2014 21:57:42    1554334

03/03/2014 16:48:05
hill16no1man
look he has taken over rte two on a saturday with rugby
he has two six antions matches and then a womens rugby game live
which has clearly no interest to the public
as they played ireland v england in mens and after it the womens was on
and the ground almost entirely emptied
which was shown on tv
You are obsessed with Ryle Nugent.
RTE showing all 5/6nations games was what happened before Ryle was head of sport and will be the case after he leaves the job as head of sport in RTE. RTE showed the womens 6nations games as enough people contacted RTE to say they wanted to watch the game.
03/03/2014 16:48:05
hill16no1man
the fact is clearly relevant as you say its one of biggest comeptitions in world sport yet none of the teams are among the best in the world in the sport makes a mockery of that remark
it dominates media you dont have to remind me as its ridiculous for a 4th in the lsit of top sports in this country
main reason the so called irish national media is based in yes you guessed rugby d4 area Rugby is the biggest by far professional sport in the country where all, or virtually all, the star players play week in week out for their home provinces and are not under the wage of private owners in England/france/worldwide like soccer.
The 6 Nations due to average attendance at games, tv viewing figures, sponsorship income is up with worlds biggest competitions.
There is several of the worlds best teams in the 6nations, 2 of the top 5 ranked sides in the world, compete in the 6 nations.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 03/03/2014 21:57:58    1554335

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hill16no1man
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Fair play. you notices I was from limerick and assumed im a fair weather Munster and Limerick supporter and sing the fields of athenry for the banter. ya thats a lovely stereotype. Grow up man! People all over limerick city and county love rugby. The days of it only in the city and suburbs are gone. I dont live in the city and most of the people I play hurling with would have a very big interest in Rugby. Im sorry you guys in the North of dublin are so ignorant of the game but if you knew anything about the game in limerick is that anyone plays, be they farmers, electricians, teachers, doctors or accountants.

Getting back to this topic I think Gaelic football gets its fair share of praise as it is the most popular game in the country in terms of playing numbers. Read any papers and they will all have very good reporting on games and leagues for every county, even in the third and fourth division. One sad part of hurlings images which is the inability to highlight and support the fringe counties and put their results and games on the papers too.

no I didnt assume anything
you said leave the winter to foreign sports and all but implied gaa is summer sport for you
dont blame me for reading what you write
and I know well that rugby is massive in limerick city but outside of it
it barely exists
just look where the clubs
not ignorant just have no interest in rugby in this area just prefer other sports
I dont know what papers you read but you would be lucky to find a division 3 or 4 result
never mind a report in most national papers

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 04/03/2014 10:10:59    1554383

KeyserSoze
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OK, so TG4 only showed Dublin football v Westmeath deferred. That is one fact wrong, what others are there? . I said they didn't show Dublin's hurling games live. You should read the post I actually made before making comments like that

the obvious fact you tryed to point out they have no interest in showing the dublin hurlers on a sunday afternoon
when they have shown them both sundays they were playing so far

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 04/03/2014 10:14:21    1554386

KeyserSoze
County: Cork
Posts: 348

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hill16no1man
County: Dublin
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your spot on mod
six nations is the national team i see no problem with showing that
just like the irish soccer team is national team
but they show the rugby challenge matches for ireland
but dont show the soccer challenge matches for ireland
so if the likes of ormond cannot see ryle nugents influence they should take off the tinted glasses
how can anybdoy even suggest womens rugby and under age rugby should be shown ahead of the league
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Rugby team rarely plays "challenge matches.
The meaningless soccer freindlies are shown on Sky. If you have a problem with that you should take it up with the FAI , and not RTE, who sold Sky the live televison rights and tried to sell them the live rights for all qualifier matches a few years back.

they play 3 challenge matches in november and all 3 were live on rte
they sold them to sky because rte had no interest
and wouldnt pay for them

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 04/03/2014 10:16:12    1554388

ormondbannerman

they play nearly every year in leinster
3 times in last 4 years to be exact
hahahaha you realy believe that there would be more passive viewers for ireland v italy
now I really know your taking the **** when you say more hardcore too
well then why isnt rugby the top sport
if you believe it pulls in more viewers then dublin v meath?
if that was the case then how is gaelic football the biggest sport in the country?
if rugby matches are bigger and more people are interested wouldnt that make it bigger?

im talking about home crowds for both
take dublin v leinster for example
nearly all the games have second teams out
they either have main players with ireland
or they rest them for heineken cup
no reason rugby couldnt play midweek they only dont because they wouldnt get crowds

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 04/03/2014 10:36:56    1554402

ormondbannerman

not obsessed just telling it how it is
you wont admit hes rugby only
showing all six nations is one thing
showing undeage and womens come on theres no demand for that at all

no horse racing is by far the biggest pro sport
in terms of the sheer fact
we have best jockeys,horses and trainers in world competing in ireland
the six nations makes money I dont argue that
but to try and use two of the top 5 as a great deal considering they are both 4th and 5th is stupid
theres not one top team in the world in it thats the simple fact

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 04/03/2014 10:43:51    1554409

I think its time the GAA stepped in here. They are the ones that are in control of the tv rights. The league sunday show is a disgrace in my opinion and can be seen as merely a token gesture to try to appease the GAA following. The NFL & NHL at one time were seen by even county teams as simply a warm up to the championship. Teams wouldn't even start proper training until Feb / March. These days are gone and the standard of football played now in both codes during the league is very good. The following of GAA in Ireland far outweighs Rugby so it would be interesting the put a Rabo Direct game on one RTE station and the likes of Dublin v Kildare on another. I would put my house on it that the viewer figures would confirm that the majority would prefer to see GAA than rugby.
I would like to confirm that I am more a GAA fan than rugby but I'm certainly not anti-rugby but if posters on here can't see that the RTE agenda is to push the Rugby coverage ahead of other sports then it's says more about your rugby tinted glasses than about fairness in your views. Rabo Direct is a good competition, Six Nations is a good competition both with a certain amount of national interest but I would imagine the viewer figures for the ladies six nations and underage six nations games would certainly be much less than NFL or NHL.
If the GAA don't think they are getting proper service from RTE then I would offer the rights to TV3 or the new UTV service coming to Ireland, give them the chance and it might kickstart RTE to re-examine their policy on the sports coverage.

Tir Conaill Abu (Donegal) - Posts: 1677 - 04/03/2014 11:01:58    1554428

tir chonnail abu

the tv rights are currently up and over the next month
the rights are being negotiated for the next 3 years
so it will be interesting to see the outcome
think gaa said they will announce at start of april the new deals

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 04/03/2014 12:06:31    1554473

hill16no1man
County: Dublin
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the obvious fact you tryed to point out they have no interest in showing the dublin hurlers on a sunday afternoon
when they have shown them both sundays they were playing so far


they play 3 challenge matches in november and all 3 were live on rte
they sold them to sky because rte had no interest
and wouldnt pay for them
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I pointed out they didn't show the Dublin hurlers live, reflective of the fact that there is not much interest in Dublin hurlers when compared to the interest in other county hurling teams.

Might be difficult for someone more into soccer than rigby to understand, but the November test series are not "challenge matches". Are you trying to equate something like the Ireland v All Blacks to the meaningless half-hearted kickarounds that the soccer team have? The FAI sold the rights to the meaningless soccer friendlies because Sky had the finance to outbid RTE, just like FAI sold the rights to Sky for all home qualifier games a few years back but were stopped by government legislation enacted.

KeyserSoze (Cork) - Posts: 363 - 04/03/2014 12:35:09    1554492

04/03/2014 10:16:12
hill16no1man
Rugby team rarely plays "challenge matches.
The meaningless soccer freindlies are shown on Sky. If you have a problem with that you should take it up with the FAI , and not RTE, who sold Sky the live televison rights and tried to sell them the live rights for all qualifier matches a few years back.

they play 3 challenge matches in november and all 3 were live on rte
they sold them to sky because rte had no interest
and wouldnt pay for them They are not "challenge matches".
They are international test matches of a higher standard than most other games. The standard of the New Zealand game was higher than anything else the irish players played last season. They were shown on RTE because of the interest from the public in the games.
The friendlies were sold to Sky as RTE probably did have an interest but simply couldnt outbid Sky for them

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 04/03/2014 13:12:08    1554518

04/03/2014 10:36:56
hill16no1man
ormondbannerman, they play nearly every year in leinster. 3 times in last 4 years to be exact
hahahaha you realy believe that there would be more passive viewers for ireland v italy
now I really know your taking the **** when you say more hardcore too. well then why isnt rugby the top sport
if you believe it pulls in more viewers then dublin v meath? if that was the case then how is gaelic football the biggest sport in the country?if rugby matches are bigger and more people are interested wouldnt that make it bigger?
im talking about home crowds for both. take dublin v leinster for example
nearly all the games have second teams out. they either have main players with ireland or they rest them for heineken cup
no reason rugby couldnt play midweek they only dont because they wouldnt get crowds
There would be more especially for a national side over 2 individual counties. More people will care about how a national side of a fairly strong sport will do and they will watch that over 2 countys.
You havent a clue if you think nearly all the games have second teams out and that rugby players could play mid week like they do in soccer. It physically isnt possible to play saturday or sunday then tuesday or wednesday then saturday or sunday again for a few weeks in a row. There would be way too many injuries and it would be putting peoples health at risk to be playing that many games.
The provinces would get the crowds but the players wouldnt be physically capable of playing that much

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 04/03/2014 13:18:04    1554521

04/03/2014 10:43:51 hill16no1man
ormondbannerman, not obsessed just telling it how it is
you wont admit hes rugby only
showing all six nations is one thing
showing undeage and womens come on theres no demand for that at all
no horse racing is by far the biggest pro sport
in terms of the sheer fact
we have best jockeys,horses and trainers in world competing in ireland
the six nations makes money I dont argue that
but to try and use two of the top 5 as a great deal considering they are both 4th and 5th is stupid
theres not one top team in the world in it thats the simple fact
You dont hear me complaining about minor hurling/football being shown on tv. Those games are the equivalent of the irish under 20 games.
You are pathetically anti rugby it is hilarious how deludedly anti rugby you are....
There is more than one top team in the world in the 6Nations and that is a fact

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 04/03/2014 13:20:25    1554522

04/03/2014 11:01:58 Tir Conaill Abu
I think its time the GAA stepped in here. They are the ones that are in control of the tv rights. The league sunday show is a disgrace in my opinion and can be seen as merely a token gesture to try to appease the GAA following. The NFL & NHL at one time were seen by even county teams as simply a warm up to the championship. Teams wouldn't even start proper training until Feb / March. These days are gone and the standard of football played now in both codes during the league is very good. The following of GAA in Ireland far outweighs Rugby so it would be interesting the put a Rabo Direct game on one RTE station and the likes of Dublin v Kildare on another. I would put my house on it that the viewer figures would confirm that the majority would prefer to see GAA than rugby.
I would like to confirm that I am more a GAA fan than rugby but I'm certainly not anti-rugby but if posters on here can't see that the RTE agenda is to push the Rugby coverage ahead of other sports then it's says more about your rugby tinted glasses than about fairness in your views. Rabo Direct is a good competition, Six Nations is a good competition both with a certain amount of national interest but I would imagine the viewer figures for the ladies six nations and underage six nations games would certainly be much less than NFL or NHL.
If the GAA don't think they are getting proper service from RTE then I would offer the rights to TV3 or the new UTV service coming to Ireland, give them the chance and it might kickstart RTE to re-examine their policy on the sports coverage.
Varies on what pro12 game you put on at same time as Dublin Kildare as to how many viewers would watch each.
If RTE's agenda "is to push the Rugby coverage ahead of other sports" then why is their way more Hurling and Gaelic Football covered on RTE every calander year? Why do club hurling/gaelic games get a mention on the RTE news when rugby club games do not?
The Ladies game was the first ever(AFAIK) womens international shown live on RTE. It came about to be shown following a large PR campaign started on twitter and petitions signed on line etc.
Under 20 internationals are academy players and future pro's or future stars of club amatuer game. Showing those games are the equivalent of showing the minor all ireland semi finals and finals

04/03/2014 12:35:09
KeyserSoze
Might be difficult for someone more into soccer than rigby to understand, but the November test series are not "challenge matches". Are you trying to equate something like the Ireland v All Blacks to the meaningless half-hearted kickarounds that the soccer team have? The FAI sold the rights to the meaningless soccer friendlies because Sky had the finance to outbid RTE, just like FAI sold the rights to Sky for all home qualifier games a few years back but were stopped by government legislation enacted. but will hill understand that... no probably not

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 04/03/2014 13:30:50    1554529