As I predicted the GAA made a bags of this. The writing was on the wall when they delayed the decision, leaving a nice little gap between now and the final, hoping it would drift out of the media.

They've fudged this. By not explaining their decision they've confirmed this.

ringo (Wexford) - Posts: 384 - 07/03/2014 10:03:15    1556020

Glad this has been sorted and the outcome as I expected all along. There is no way the creggan management would have played the two boys had there been any doubt in their minds about their eligibility, hence they didn't play before the new year. Thankfully sense has prevailed and this grey area will now be made balck and white. And can I just congratulate the Kickhams of Creggan on their All Ireland Success. :)

frankbhoy77 (Antrim) - Posts: 1300 - 07/03/2014 10:13:51    1556027

What a mess. Even if the rules are grey the CCCC needs to explain their decision. Saying that Creggan acted in good faith is nonsense. Ignorance of the rules is no defense when you break them. Either a rule was broken or not.

jpcampion (Laois) - Posts: 194 - 07/03/2014 10:16:32    1556029

jpcampion
County: Laois
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1556029 What a mess. Even if the rules are grey the CCCC needs to explain their decision. Saying that Creggan acted in good faith is nonsense. Ignorance of the rules is no defense when you break them. Either a rule was broken or not.


Well jp, could we not then say that Ballysaggart broke the rules by not objecting on time??? hence the investigation should not even have gotten off the ground

frankbhoy77 (Antrim) - Posts: 1300 - 07/03/2014 10:22:10    1556033

Ah Frankboy, can you not see that it's the CCCC who've really stepped out of line here?

Teams and players break the rules all the time. If the CCCC can't make consistent decisions, or even explain them, then we're going to have real trouble going forward.

ringo (Wexford) - Posts: 384 - 07/03/2014 10:31:47    1556036

Brillant result. Titles are won on the pitch, not in the Board Room.

martinprince (Tyrone) - Posts: 187 - 07/03/2014 10:39:36    1556041

Congrats to the winners, well done and enjoy.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4954 - 07/03/2014 10:50:28    1556052

ringo
County: Wexford
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1556036 Ah Frankboy, can you not see that it's the CCCC who've really stepped out of line here?

Teams and players break the rules all the time. If the CCCC can't make consistent decisions, or even explain them, then we're going to have real trouble going forward.


Teams and players break the rules all the time?? Creggan did not feel they were breaking any rule, ballysaggart actually did by objecting after the break off point yet the CCCC gave it their attention. This was due to the fact that this grey area has been discovered and will now be clarified. As stated before there was precedent for this happening previously. I agree that the CCCC could have handled this better but whats new there?

frankbhoy77 (Antrim) - Posts: 1300 - 07/03/2014 10:55:28    1556056

There is no way the creggan management would have played the two boys had there been any doubt in their minds about their eligibility, hence they didn't play before the new year.

Exactly Frankbhoy - in my first post on this topic I said that given they didn't play them in the Antrim/Ulsters meant they were obviously aware of the rule regarding eligibility of players who are U-16 so to then play them come the AI series in 2014 would have suggested they had been advised they could do so or they had seeked clarification. Seemed quite logical to me!

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 07/03/2014 10:55:57    1556058

This is very strange. Up til now the Ballysaggart line has been that they appealed because they had to do so within 3 days in order to clarify the situation. If they were outside the 3 days did they not know? Why did they bother at all if they knew it was invalid? Why did the CCCC accept it if it was outside they mandatory reporting period? Still no further on re the rule. Does anyone really care anymore?

jpcampion (Laois) - Posts: 194 - 07/03/2014 11:08:40    1556064

Ballysaggart completely hung out to dry by the gaa but they can hold their heads up high, all they did was seek clarificarion of the rules and they were proven to be right that creggan were in breach. whether it was actually in good faith or not only creggan can really answer. But good luck to them they were the better team over the 2 games their name is on the cup thats what matters.

deisebhoy (Waterford) - Posts: 416 - 07/03/2014 11:12:34    1556069

frankbhoy77

Yes of course teams and players break rules all the time, intentionally or unintentionally. That's why there are so many committees to hear these sort of cases.

I don't see that the CCCC have clarified the rule at all. Ballysaggart received a one line email stating that their case was dismissed as they did not submit it within the 72 hour deadline. That 72 hour rule seems to be the only thing they've clarified.

ringo (Wexford) - Posts: 384 - 07/03/2014 11:23:17    1556076

It seems there is a real grey area here & one the GAA badly needs to clarify so perhaps Ballysaggart have done us a favour in bringing this to light. Hard to believe this hasn't come up before?!! Having said that, I'm delighted Creggan have held on to their title.

keeper7 (Longford) - Posts: 4088 - 07/03/2014 11:33:24    1556087

Antrimgirl ballysaggart owe no one an apology and I dont know what 'hurt was caused to anyone. Creggan are the ones that should apologise to their own 2 lads in question for putting them in the situation in the first place.

deisebhoy (Waterford) - Posts: 416 - 07/03/2014 12:41:48    1556143

Frankbhoy obviously cccc dont agree the fact that it took them 2 weeks to mull over it,

Ive always been a big fan of antrim hurling, but the comments and snide remarks by many of ye here towards waterford and ballysaggart over the past few weeks has changed my opinion. Ye are well able to stick up for yer rights and always preaching about how ye are constantly put on the backfoot on hurling terms. But when a injustice is done on the other side or rule is broken ye dont want to hear about it

deisebhoy (Waterford) - Posts: 416 - 07/03/2014 12:58:47    1556157

Antrimgirl ballysaggart owe no one an apology and I dont know what 'hurt was caused to anyone. Creggan are the ones that should apologise to their own 2 lads in question for putting them in the situation in the first place.

deisebhoy (Waterford) - Posts: 416 - 07/03/2014 12:59:32    1556160

Diese, why should creggan apologise to the two young lads for putting them in a position to win an all Ireland?? That does not even make sense.

frankbhoy77 (Antrim) - Posts: 1300 - 07/03/2014 13:12:17    1556168

deisebhoy
County: Waterford
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1556157 Frankbhoy obviously cccc dont agree the fact that it took them 2 weeks to mull over it,

Ive always been a big fan of antrim hurling, but the comments and snide remarks by many of ye here towards waterford and ballysaggart over the past few weeks has changed my opinion. Ye are well able to stick up for yer rights and always preaching about how ye are constantly put on the backfoot on hurling terms. But when a injustice is done on the other side or rule is broken ye dont want to hear about it


If an injustice was done why are creggan still champions?? I have never mentioned Waterford hurling, though I did mention the disgraceful disrespect towards a man offering up his time as a volunteer to referee the match.

frankbhoy77 (Antrim) - Posts: 1300 - 07/03/2014 13:14:29    1556169

Ive always been a big fan of antrim hurling, but the comments and snide remarks by many of ye here towards waterford and ballysaggart over the past few weeks has changed my opinion.

Thats fair enough and you are entitled to your opinions but who are the 'many of ye' you refer to? I have gone through all the posts on this topic and there were 46 posts that I can see from Antrim folk - of these 3 could be classed as 'snide' with another couple maybe falling in to this category - depending on your sensitivity, and all from 2 or 3 posters. The other 40 odd comments had no derogatory remarks about Ballysaggart or Waterford hurling. On the other hand when you look at some of the other posters comments they are every bit as 'snide' as the 3/5 Antrim posters ones so looks like you will have a lot less Christmas cards to send this year.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 07/03/2014 13:58:47    1556204

And can I add Deise that there are a few snide and unfair comments attributed to yourself towards the creggan management and club so leave off with the Holier than thou bull.

frankbhoy77 (Antrim) - Posts: 1300 - 07/03/2014 14:27:07    1556228