Not determing right from wrong just showing you boys that you would be the same of ot were your club. The only wrong done is the fielding of 2 illegal players. People can put whatever spin on it they want but eventually facts will have to be faced

deisebhoy (Waterford) - Posts: 416 - 27/02/2014 10:47:38    1551853

Im not questioning how many people live in Ballysaggart, but they had 5 full 50 seater buses of supporters with them in Mullingar. Now maths aint my thing but if the numbers which are constantly recited are true then it musta been a field day for the local thieves in saggart that day ;)

frankbhoy77 (Antrim) - Posts: 1300 - 27/02/2014 10:47:44    1551854

So what about if a player who wasnt even registered to play for the club was playing and won the game for them, would that be OK? Illegal players are illegal players regardless of the "technicalities".

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 27/02/2014 10:48:25    1551855

Freddy you said it urself. Rules were broken. Everything else im afraid is utterly irelevant

deisebhoy (Waterford) - Posts: 416 - 27/02/2014 10:50:37    1551856

Thieves would never find the place frankie... ;-)

deisebhoy (Waterford) - Posts: 416 - 27/02/2014 10:59:46    1551862

freddy2
County: Wexford
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1551852 deisebhoy
County: Waterford
Posts: 384

"are you all telling me yed just roll over and 'take your beating"

if I was beat by a team with 2 kids then I'd "take my beating" as obviously Ballysaggart weren't the better team on the day. I'd understand the objection it it was a junvenile/minor game or something but the have grown men beat by a team with 2 kids on it, and then whinge about an injustice is pathetic. Grow some, and accept the beating.

yes rules were possibly broken, but by 2 kids, not even adults!



Read again deise, no he didn't.

frankbhoy77 (Antrim) - Posts: 1300 - 27/02/2014 11:00:15    1551863

Not determing right from wrong just showing you boys that you would be the same of ot were your club. The only wrong done is the fielding of 2 illegal players. People can put whatever spin on it they want but eventually facts will have to be faced

deisebhoy (Waterford) - Posts: 416 - 27/02/2014 11:00:16    1551864

The only judgement that matters is that of the Cccc or whoever decides the outcome. I can assure you ballysaggart will accept the outcome either way as long as it is set in stone. Otherwise they have a right to contest ant perceived wrongdoing and certainly dont have to apologise for it

deisebhoy (Waterford) - Posts: 416 - 27/02/2014 11:10:26    1551871

Pinkie, if only the GAA world was as black and white as that!

There wouldnt be a grey area then which requires the CCCC's interpretation.

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 27/02/2014 12:32:01    1551914

I can say from personal experience deisebhoy that there are clubs in the country who would take it on the chin.
It's an unsporting objection that should never have been pursued.

Condorman (Dublin) - Posts: 983 - 27/02/2014 13:23:18    1551932

I agree condorman, I think whether it's legal or not is beside the point from one point of view, if the objection is upheld, its merely for a technicality, creggan definitely were within the spirit of the law and rules of fair play. The Waterford lads can hardly say they were robbed, a 17 year old who is a member of kickhams played a match which (for merely technical reasons) he might have been too young to play, they should have just taken it on the chin, I'm sure there were worse breaches (fouling, cynical play) during the match which are forgotten.
Anyway, although I think they are being petulant launching the objection, I could imagine my own, or many other clubs at least contemplating doing the same in a similar situation. All Ireland medals don't come knocking every other week!

flack (Dublin) - Posts: 1054 - 27/02/2014 13:39:44    1551939

The fact that people are willing to turn such a blind eye to the fact that the players were illegal is exactly the sort of nod and wink attitude which is prevalent in this country as a whole. We seem to love chancers, wrongdoers, blaggers and think when they being wronged when they are queried or pulled up on it.

I couldnt care if the two lads were 7 or 70 years of age. They are illegal players, end of story.

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 27/02/2014 14:45:56    1551967

I completely agree with Pinkie here. They're either illegal or they're not. One or the other. There should be no room for grey areas or room for sentiment here.

ringo (Wexford) - Posts: 384 - 27/02/2014 14:54:28    1551974

Can someone correct me if I'm wrong but is there one group of Adult men complaining that another group of Adult men defeated them illegally because they had a couple of teenagers on the team?......is this really happening?

sportsfan14 (USA) - Posts: 281 - 27/02/2014 15:04:30    1551979

Well lads contrary to what you believe there is a grey area. In every walk of life, never mind the GAA, there are always chancers and blaggers, not only in ireland either.

Solicitors/barristers all over the world get well paid for exploring grey areas or in legal jargon 'loopholes'.

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 27/02/2014 15:10:37    1551982

And im sure it will become a black and white issue next year now as a consequence.

bumpernut (Antrim) - Posts: 1852 - 27/02/2014 15:12:32    1551985

Pinkie and ringo, I'm not arguing whether it's illegal or not (if that's the be-all and end-all for you), the CCC will decide that anyway, and if it was so clear we would have an unanimous decision already, butwhat it is is very sad that adults are complaining about kids beating them. Very sad.

flack (Dublin) - Posts: 1054 - 27/02/2014 15:46:58    1552015

Are Bookies giving any odds on this objection succeeding/failing?

JimmyCahill (Tipperary) - Posts: 11 - 27/02/2014 15:58:57    1552022

@bumpernut - are you calling Creggan chancers and blaggers!?

@flack - I'd be way more concerned that so many people think it's ok to field illegal players. The GAA must have one of the most complex rulebooks in sport. I don't understand why rules only apply to some and not to others.

If the shoe was on the other foot and Ballysaggart had fielded illegal players I'd bet that a lot more people would be up in arms over it. I think we've got to be fair to everybody by applying the rules consistently.

ringo (Wexford) - Posts: 384 - 27/02/2014 16:31:25    1552052

Just a quick one folks.....did the 17 year old lads play in the drawn game? If they did then why did Ballysaggart not object to the illegality at that point?

sportsfan14 (USA) - Posts: 281 - 27/02/2014 16:48:37    1552061