Indeed no MesAmis. They are a WATERFORD club, WATERFORD junior champions and are doing their county's decent reputation a lot of harm. Wiser heads within Waterford should have prevailed here and told Ballysaggart to catch themselves on; their county will be totally ridiculed after this.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9819 - 20/02/2014 16:04:39    1549220

Hope this post puts an end to this thread as it's fairly concrete where the rule stands. St. Brigids of Roscommon had a player in their match day squad for last years All-Ireland final in an IDENTICAL situation age wise as these two players. Unless the GAA want to order a replay between Brigids and Ballymun I strongly suggest they throw this misinformed case out.. Case closed

square_ball_69 (Westmeath) - Posts: 826 - 20/02/2014 16:07:22    1549222

If players are ILLEGAL their ILLEGAL.

Why should they feel ashamed?

Because they were beaten by a team who had an Illegal player which scored 6 points?

Course they have a right to appeal.

crossfieldball (Galway) - Posts: 650 - 20/02/2014 16:10:16    1549223

Ulsterman
County: Antrim
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Indeed no MesAmis. They are a WATERFORD club, WATERFORD junior champions and are doing their county's decent reputation a lot of harm. Wiser heads within Waterford should have prevailed here and told Ballysaggart to catch themselves on; their county will be totally ridiculed after this.

If it was the other way around you wouldn't be slow in stating the difference.

Not defending Ballysaggart in this at all,just don't believe that you have the right to attack all of Waterford GAA for one clubs messing.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13819 - 20/02/2014 16:15:51    1549228

Crossfieldball Rubbish.

icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2581 - 20/02/2014 16:20:16    1549231

crossfieldball you are spot on. Regardless, the rules are there for a reason and if they are not adhered to, then tough luck to the offending team. They will learn for the next time they are in an All-Ireland final and if nothing else, it sets down a marker to any other team who might do the same. If the GAA did right, they would just throw the club out and not bother with the replay. Why shouldnt they?

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 20/02/2014 16:26:19    1549235

Good point square ball. Kickhams would have been absolute laughing stock in Dublin and elsewhere had they objected on the grounds that the team who beat them had a young fella who was too young to be playing grown men! Of all the excuses......

As young ones in Dublin used to say: "I'm scarlet for Bennett and the club."

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 20/02/2014 16:29:25    1549238

Icehonesty,

How is it rubbish?

Would you be saying so if it was a Wexford club?

Would you be saying so if it was a group game instead of an All Ireland?

Are you saying "if you think you can get away with it do it"?

Are you saying that the fact Creggan won by 3 points ( 6 came from Small, the alleged illegal player) meaning that if he had not played, as he shouldn't have then Ballysaggart would have won an All Ireland are you saying thats ok?

crossfieldball (Galway) - Posts: 650 - 20/02/2014 16:32:04    1549244

"The Rules are there for a reason". Yeh, so the so called big counties can flaunt and break them all the time. The past year has shown that the bigger the county the more chance they have of "getting away with it" irrespective of rules or regulations. I have a feeling that because it's Antrim the GAA will wield the big stick and Creggan will suffer. We all know it wouldn't happen to a Cork, Dublin or Tipp side.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9819 - 20/02/2014 16:32:46    1549245

The more I see comments about this the more I'm going with Ballysaggart actually. Initially I felt they'd be better to move on, but now that two players have come into question, and the attitude of "ye lost, get over it", the more I'm going away from Creggan.

What I am concerned about is that rules are being applied consistently. It's not good enough to have any grey areas. It's not good enough for one team to disregard the rules and the other to suffer as a result. Next year it could be a player transferring in and another team suffering if they realised the rules were broken after the game has been played.

Also, we're talking about an All Ireland here - it's serious business. While I wouldn't like to see two young lads being blamed for losing it, it's their clubs fault if they turn out to have played them illegaly.

ringo (Wexford) - Posts: 384 - 20/02/2014 17:43:30    1549297

A young 16 year old, who was correctly kept out of the team during the 2013 season, fires his club to win an All Ireland....the opposition club then go crying to the rule book! I would wager that the players in Ballysaggart are a fine bunch of men to get to this far in the competition. If they were asked I would wager they would prefer to move on and take their beating. Who ever is pushing this on the Ballysaggart side, is doing their club and county a major dis-service. Have some honour and move on!

sportsfan14 (USA) - Posts: 281 - 20/02/2014 17:46:10    1549299

LADS THE PLAYER WAS NOT ILLEGAL

square_ball_69 (Westmeath) - Posts: 826 - 20/02/2014 18:04:19    1549308

After their pie-ball of a coaches rant after the game - I wouldn't hold my breath on a replay.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4954 - 20/02/2014 18:41:54    1549329

arock - After their pie-ball of a coaches rant after the game - I wouldn't hold my breath on a replay.

DBallysaggart Manager complain after the game (amongst other things) that Creggan were overly physical, what, with their two 16 year olds and 41 year old keeper; that's another one unfolded.

muffin (Antrim) - Posts: 128 - 20/02/2014 19:35:36    1549365

at this stage with two players believed to be ineligible on the Antrim side I think there definitely should be a replay now. With one player youd be inclined to let it go but with two and two important ones at that there should be fair play for all and a replay. Lets forget about the managers rant at this stage and stop using excuses about all sour grapes and the like, the Antrim team are in the wrong too. Everyone seems to be going on about his rant. Every manager rants now and again. If there was a replay id fully believe Ballysaggart would win this time.

preddan (Kildare) - Posts: 804 - 20/02/2014 19:38:59    1549367

preddan
County: Kildare

The 2 players were legal to play. The 2014 All-Ireland Club Championship is run as a separate competition to the 2013 County and Provincial Championships.

Ballysaggart manager was a bad loser after the final whistle, having a swipe at the referee's hurling pedigree, the opposition's hurling pedigree, the opposition's physicality, and now inaccurate assertions about two 16 year old players; this is disrespectful, and hence he has become fair game.

He'd have to be banned for any replay in any case, for his public criticism of the referee.

muffin (Antrim) - Posts: 128 - 20/02/2014 20:18:05    1549388

While I agree that Ballysaggart were very sore loosers and the comments about the ref were a disgrace if (and it remains an if)a team went into an All Ireland final with 1 or now maybe 2 illegal players then Creggan really have nobody else to blame except themselves.

juniorbsub (Wexford) - Posts: 646 - 20/02/2014 20:32:35    1549395

preddan
County: Kildare
Posts: 87

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at this stage with two players believed to be ineligible on the Antrim side I think there definitely should be a replay now. With one player youd be inclined to let it go but with two and two important ones at that there should be fair play for all and a replay. Lets forget about the managers rant at this stage and stop using excuses about all sour grapes and the like, the Antrim team are in the wrong too. Everyone seems to be going on about his rant. Every manager rants now and again. If there was a replay id fully believe Ballysaggart would win this time.

But it isn't clear whether the players were ineligible or not.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13819 - 20/02/2014 20:33:18    1549396

Very good Muffin :-)

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 20/02/2014 20:37:25    1549399

Are we all sure these two young lads were Illegal??What a carry on :::Does this age rule mean January to December or is it for the duration of the completion?? Something not right about Ballysaggert.
To Creegan I will say , as Tony Blair said to Rebekagh Brooks, TOUGH IT OUT and it will all sort itself out. Ye will still be All Ireland CHAMPIONS.

SamOnErrigal (Donegal) - Posts: 1427 - 20/02/2014 21:29:44    1549438