Snufalufagus
County: Dublin
Posts: 7327

1548665
Before anyone country lad comes on and says: "Croker was there before the residents"....you are wrong!!
'Most' of the houses and cottages around Croker have been there long before Croker was even a dream!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael


Eh yes the houses and cottages were there before Croker but unless the residents are drinking from the fountain of youth they have not so I fail to see your point

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3747 - 19/02/2014 18:46:39    1548763

Anyone who trots out the

"why dont they move" or anything similar is one thing and one thing only, an ignoramus

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 20/02/2014 08:51:32    1548897

MesAmis
County: Dublin
Posts: 6926

1548720 Dessie13
County: Dublin
Posts: 39

Would I be lying if I said that a large amount of the locals were given their Houses by the Government/Social Welfare or are in receipt of large amounts of Rent Allowance, jobs seekers etc.??

Would I be lying if I said that a large amount of the locals were not given their Houses by the Government/Social Welfare and are not in receipt of large amounts of Rent Allowance, job seekers etc??

What's your point?

My point is that you said I was making a statement based on stereotype & I'm saying I know the area well and there would be a large amount of people in receipt of free housing & large amounts of rent allowance etc. My comment was based on fact not stereotype.

I just think its a bit rich to have received a free house/flat & then complain about a few lousy concerts.

Dessie13 (Dublin) - Posts: 70 - 20/02/2014 09:25:40    1548909

Dessie what you are saying is ignorant and disrespectful and frankly disgraceful and a load of old rubbish

Anyone saying the residents should "move" really need to pull their heads out of their *****

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 20/02/2014 09:47:46    1548916

Dessie13, I understand the point you are making, and say fair play, because it is the easiest thing in the world to row in with the pack and side with the little guy. The whole thing is unfortunate but they are not totally innocent. They knew where the houses were before they moved in, and most of those houses are coming free of charge. There is a sense of trying to have their cake and eat it. Get the free house in an area that has some issues, and then turn around and start complaining about the thing that was a factor in it being free in the first place. I believe there was an agreement that there would be no more than 3 concerts in a year, but that agreement was never going to last. It would cost them too much money.

A question, is it possible that croke park could buy these houses direct from the council? I think that is where we are headed, and in fairness it does make sense. While it may be a genuine issue for some, it must also be stated that many others are more than likely digging their heels in to get a lump sum.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 20/02/2014 10:01:05    1548922

What about making Dublin play some championship games away from home? That would cut down the number of events in Croke!

Naysayer (Antrim) - Posts: 2071 - 20/02/2014 10:01:12    1548923

Dessie13
County: Dublin
Posts: 40

My point is that you said I was making a statement based on stereotype & I'm saying I know the area well and there would be a large amount of people in receipt of free housing & large amounts of rent allowance etc. My comment was based on fact not stereotype.

I just think its a bit rich to have received a free house/flat & then complain about a few lousy concerts.

Your comments are based on what you perceive to be the facts, which are that those people living in the area are on dole therefore not entitled to due consideration in matters such as this.

Of course according to Dessie if this was an area where everyone was working (not many of them around) and where the vast majority owned their property then the residents would deserve better treatment. Pathetic classism.

It is strange that you claim to know the area well but ignore the large amount of people not in receipt of free housing or on rent allownce etc. Do those people not count? Are they not the same as you no?

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13796 - 20/02/2014 10:34:51    1548938

TheMaster
County: Mayo
Posts: 10262

1548922
Dessie13, I understand the point you are making, and say fair play, because it is the easiest thing in the world to row in with the pack and side with the little guy. The whole thing is unfortunate but they are not totally innocent. They knew where the houses were before they moved in, and most of those houses are coming free of charge. There is a sense of trying to have their cake and eat it. Get the free house in an area that has some issues, and then turn around and start complaining about the thing that was a factor in it being free in the first place. I believe there was an agreement that there would be no more than 3 concerts in a year, but that agreement was never going to last. It would cost them too much money.

A question, is it possible that croke park could buy these houses direct from the council? I think that is where we are headed, and in fairness it does make sense. While it may be a genuine issue for some, it must also be stated that many others are more than likely digging their heels in to get a lump sum.

Where did you get that info?

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13796 - 20/02/2014 10:36:44    1548939

heMaster
County: Mayo
Posts: 10262

1548922
Dessie13, I understand the point you are making, and say fair play, because it is the easiest thing in the world to row in with the pack and side with the little guy. The whole thing is unfortunate but they are not totally innocent. They knew where the houses were before they moved in, and most of those houses are coming free of charge. There is a sense of trying to have their cake and eat it. Get the free house in an area that has some issues, and then turn around and start complaining about the thing that was a factor in it being free in the first place. I believe there was an agreement that there would be no more than 3 concerts in a year, but that agreement was never going to last. It would cost them too much money.

A question, is it possible that croke park could buy these houses direct from the council? I think that is where we are headed, and in fairness it does make sense. While it may be a genuine issue for some, it must also be stated that many others are more than likely digging their heels in to get a lump sum.
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Themaster

What about the hundreds of privately owned / rented houses / Apartments in that area?

Clonliffe Road,

Clonliffe Gardens,

The Distillery Apartments

Tolka Road

To name just a select few...

It's absolute rubbish of the highest order and shows a complete and utter lack of knowledge to suggest that it's only council houses and the people living in them that are looking to dig their heel's in...

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 20/02/2014 10:43:35    1548942

and most of those houses are coming free of charge. There is a sense of trying to have their cake and eat it.

That may be true in some cases

But what about the 100's of privately owned properties in that area

I have lived in this area, we rented on Clonliffe Garden's before buying our home in Drumcondra

I know the area like the back of my hand

Dessie and yourself have a certain point but you are completely failing to recognize the hundreds of privately owned / rented properties in that area. 5 concerts in a row without consulting with the residents is completely unfair.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 20/02/2014 10:55:32    1548951

MesAmis
County: Dublin
Posts: 6928

1548939
TheMaster
County: Mayo
Posts: 10262

1548922
Dessie13, I understand the point you are making, and say fair play, because it is the easiest thing in the world to row in with the pack and side with the little guy. The whole thing is unfortunate but they are not totally innocent. They knew where the houses were before they moved in, and most of those houses are coming free of charge. There is a sense of trying to have their cake and eat it. Get the free house in an area that has some issues, and then turn around and start complaining about the thing that was a factor in it being free in the first place. I believe there was an agreement that there would be no more than 3 concerts in a year, but that agreement was never going to last. It would cost them too much money.

A question, is it possible that croke park could buy these houses direct from the council? I think that is where we are headed, and in fairness it does make sense. While it may be a genuine issue for some, it must also be stated that many others are more than likely digging their heels in to get a lump sum.

Where did you get that info?

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EAST DUBLIN PART 2

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 20/02/2014 10:57:53    1548953

NO WAY this would have happened to the residents surrounding the Aviva stadium.

Not with their contacts...

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 20/02/2014 11:00:41    1548956

Liamwalkinstown
County: Dublin
Posts: 5243

1548916 Dessie what you are saying is ignorant and disrespectful and frankly disgraceful and a load of old rubbish

Anyone saying the residents should "move" really need to pull their heads out of their *****

I never said anyone should move & I don't think anyone else did either!

Im saying they should just suck it up & get on with things.

What would you prefer to deal with, a few lousy concerts or being in massive negative equity & mortgage arrears with the bank ringing you constantly threatening to take your home??

A lot of them have it handy if you ask me.

Dessie13 (Dublin) - Posts: 70 - 20/02/2014 11:02:05    1548958

jimbodub
County: Dublin
Posts: 11922

1548951 and most of those houses are coming free of charge. There is a sense of trying to have their cake and eat it.

That may be true in some cases

But what about the 100's of privately owned properties in that area

I have lived in this area, we rented on Clonliffe Garden's before buying our home in Drumcondra

I know the area like the back of my hand

Dessie and yourself have a certain point but you are completely failing to recognize the hundreds of privately owned / rented properties in that area. 5 concerts in a row without consulting with the residents is completely unfair.

An awful lot of the people renting in that area would be in receipt of rent allowance from Social Welfare so I have no sympathy for them.

I feel a little bit of sympathy for the hard working people who own/paid for their houses.

But again I come back to the point that if you buy or rent a house beside a stadium you have to expect these disturbances.

Its like buying a house beside the airport & them complaining about the noise.

Dessie13 (Dublin) - Posts: 70 - 20/02/2014 11:11:20    1548963

Jimbo.....

its very unlike some posters on here to post statements without any evidence.

;-)

Oh the ill informed out there!!!!

Residents have been treated badly here.

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 20/02/2014 11:18:14    1548969

I was born and bred in the area, most of my friends are from the area, to see the rubbish on here is ridiculous.
Whether you buy a house down there or rent from the council is not the point.

There is an agreement in place that say there will be 3 extra events on top of GAA matches in the stadium.
This year there will be 9, between One Direction the NFL and Brooks. If anybody can not see the gripe the locals have they are either stupid or just ignorant, or both.

The GAA have acted in a appalling manor, no consideration for their neighbours for the sake of a few euro!

Personally I love the atmosphere around the area when there is an event on, but then again I have no young kids and I am not an elderly man/woman who has been living there 60+ years. Can you imagine your grandmother in her house with drunk men and women urinating in her garden. They put up with for the GAA matches because they have no choice but an extra 6 times a year is a joke.

If the residents put up with it now then what will stop the GAA walking all over them every year!

bobby_shane (Dublin) - Posts: 106 - 20/02/2014 11:19:23    1548971

Dessie...

You are talking through your hoop there!!!

Hundreds or residents around Croke Park own and live in the vicinity, and their parents etc did also.......long before Garth Brooks was even born!!!

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 20/02/2014 11:22:18    1548972

jimbodub
County: Dublin
Posts: 11922

1548953
MesAmis
County: Dublin
Posts: 6928

1548939
TheMaster
County: Mayo
Posts: 10262

1548922
Dessie13, I understand the point you are making, and say fair play, because it is the easiest thing in the world to row in with the pack and side with the little guy. The whole thing is unfortunate but they are not totally innocent. They knew where the houses were before they moved in, and most of those houses are coming free of charge. There is a sense of trying to have their cake and eat it. Get the free house in an area that has some issues, and then turn around and start complaining about the thing that was a factor in it being free in the first place. I believe there was an agreement that there would be no more than 3 concerts in a year, but that agreement was never going to last. It would cost them too much money.

A question, is it possible that croke park could buy these houses direct from the council? I think that is where we are headed, and in fairness it does make sense. While it may be a genuine issue for some, it must also be stated that many others are more than likely digging their heels in to get a lump sum.

Where did you get that info?

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EAST DUBLIN PART 2
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Ha! Was thinking the same myself.

Master's knowledge now expands to spread of social housing/privately owned property across Dublin!

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13796 - 20/02/2014 11:23:20    1548973

Master/Dessie what do you say to the residents who were born and bred in the area????

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 20/02/2014 11:27:08    1548976

Lets split the residents I two....social residents and private residents. Ands lets have them protest seperately. And then take any monies collected through renting of houses by landlords and divide it around the 31 counties.

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 20/02/2014 11:33:42    1548980