What's more endearing to the hardcore G A A fans who follow the teams up and down the country a half full new stadium after the initial honeymoon period is over or a packed to the rafters parnell with the fans feet away from the players and action? The atmosphere at those games from both players and supporters is special and memorable and in my opinion what the G A A is beginning to loose.

Eager_to_hurl (Carlow) - Posts: 81 - 11/12/2013 20:26:21    1522797

We're talking about scale here Richie. Are you seriously suggesting that Dublin could partner with a club or college to build a 30000 seater stadium because that's what would be required? There are only a handful of grounds across all sports in this country that could handle that capacity so not an option. Regarding Dublin's league matches, are not some counties switching their games to CP to play Dublin under the lights in the league given the opportunity? Again not the DCB's fault. Dublin have no alternative but to play in CP at the moment given capacity requirements. There is no sensible alternative at present.

I'm going to have my final say on this, it is the fault of the Dublin County Board in my view that they have no decent sized ground of their own and I believe they are quite happy not to have as they have the use of Croke Park as they see fit. I didn't mention a 30'000 capacity stadium and I certainly didn't mention all seater, Dublin's league attendances have not been stellar except for the specialised 125 celebrations and the floodlight turn on, I fail to see the sense, logic or reasoning for playing "home" league games in a stadium with an 83'000 capacity, why did Dublin never develop a ground of any sort, prior to redevelopment Parnell Park was nowhere near being the third cousin of a county ground so it can't be claimed that it was ever suitable. If other counties are applying to play Dublin in Croke Park it's the first I've heard of it and I would see that as detremental, I have already spoke about the financial implications of such moves, there is a lot of tradition and pride that goes with county grounds, despite its poor condition I love Pairc Tailteann and would be sick to my gut if we ever moved anywhere else, same for Cork in their Pairc and Kerry in Killarney, the Cats wax lyrical about Nowlan Park as do Offaly with O'Connor Park etc perhaps the Dub football supporter doesnt have a full understanding of that as Parnell Park has never really continuously been the home of the Dublin football team. Dublin have no alternative, well in all fairness whos fault is that?? In the near 130 year existence of the GAA there hasn't been a suitable home for Dublin GAA, their footballers anyway, I'd love to know how the hurlers feel about all this, that their Trojan efforts don't get the same support and that the Spring Series doesn't really concern them sure its all about the footballers really, the Neller will do the great unwashed with sticks in their hands just fine, what's being done to promote crowds at their games this year?? The footballers might have Jedward, Brush Shields or Damien Dempsey rocking at half time in Croker, the hurlers might have Declan Nerney with a squeeze box at the dressing room door, they prefer it in Parnell Park I believe and I don't blame them there's more a scent of honesty and dedication about it, I mightn't be that excessively old but I'm old school in my thinking that's the way I am it won't change and I tend to say it as I see it, the Dubs should have a fit for purpose home of their own to enjoy and make a fortress and they should have had it long before now, it's their supported loss that they don't

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3748 - 11/12/2013 20:50:16    1522807

Feel better now !!!

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 11/12/2013 21:26:19    1522827

I'm going to have my final say on this, it is the fault of the Dublin County Board in my view that they have no decent sized ground of their own and I believe they are quite happy not to have as they have the use of Croke Park as they see fit. I didn't mention a 30'000 capacity stadium and I certainly didn't mention all seater, Dublin's league attendances have not been stellar except for the specialised 125 celebrations and the floodlight turn on, I fail to see the sense, logic or reasoning for playing "home" league games in a stadium with an 83'000 capacity, why did Dublin never develop a ground of any sort, prior to redevelopment Parnell Park was nowhere near being the third cousin of a county ground so it can't be claimed that it was ever suitable. If other counties are applying to play Dublin in Croke Park it's the first I've heard of it and I would see that as detremental, I have already spoke about the financial implications of such moves, there is a lot of tradition and pride that goes with county grounds, despite its poor condition I love Pairc Tailteann and would be sick to my gut if we ever moved anywhere else, same for Cork in their Pairc and Kerry in Killarney, the Cats wax lyrical about Nowlan Park as do Offaly with O'Connor Park etc perhaps the Dub football supporter doesnt have a full understanding of that as Parnell Park has never really continuously been the home of the Dublin football team. Dublin have no alternative, well in all fairness whos fault is that?? In the near 130 year existence of the GAA there hasn't been a suitable home for Dublin GAA, their footballers anyway, I'd love to know how the hurlers feel about all this, that their Trojan efforts don't get the same support and that the Spring Series doesn't really concern them sure its all about the footballers really, the Neller will do the great unwashed with sticks in their hands just fine, what's being done to promote crowds at their games this year?? The footballers might have Jedward, Brush Shields or Damien Dempsey rocking at half time in Croker, the hurlers might have Declan Nerney with a squeeze box at the dressing room door, they prefer it in Parnell Park I believe and I don't blame them there's more a scent of honesty and dedication about it, I mightn't be that excessively old but I'm old school in my thinking that's the way I am it won't change and I tend to say it as I see it, the Dubs should have a fit for purpose home of their own to enjoy and make a fortress and they should have had it long before now, it's their supported loss that they don't


Wow,thanks for sharing that with us.

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2843 - 11/12/2013 21:48:03    1522832

So what you are saying is Dublin should build a new stadium to cater for league matches and possibly Leinster 1st round championship matches? Ignore the fact that there is an 82,000 capacity stadium that belongs to the GAA right on our doorstep and go ahead and spend millions on a stadium that might get one championship game all year? Doesn't make any financial sense whatsoever.

Croke Park is open to all and it suits the Dubs for obvious reasons to make use of it. I would love to see the Dubs play more championship games outside of Croke Park but that is another arguement.

bubba83 (Dublin) - Posts: 333 - 12/12/2013 08:50:59    1522841

Ricie
I dont know if you have difficulty reading but I stated very very clearly my problem was with the playing of rounds 1-7 of the League in Croke Park, League finals are national finals I have no problem with them and never stated that I did, I have clearly stated that I believe dilution comes by a county playing its home league matches in the GAA premier stadium, and yes an argument could be made that some Leinster, qualifier and quarter finals and league semi finals should be played elsewhere but why would you make a point about Croke Park being idle at one stage and then when I highlight the fixtures actually being played there you come around to my dilution theory?


Who the hell are you to come out with a statment like "I dont know if you have difficulty in reading..."
Attitude or what...!
If you read my posts you will see that my views and yours are very different regarding the use of Croke Park.
You were the one who mentioned Diluting the Achievement of Reaching Croke Park and yet you seem happy with qualifiers and league semi finals being played there. My point was that if you only play finals there then Croke Park would would idle for most of the year.
Also, it says it all when a meath poster makes such an issue of this and about a perceived advantage to Dublin playing so many games there.
Meath teams of old and indeeed their fans would have had no issue with this and would not let it affect them so.
Sign of the times when meath have a weak team that any excuses will be thrown around the place by some people.

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4279 - 12/12/2013 09:09:12    1522843

They lack a lot of things.

Facilities isnt one of them...

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 12/12/2013 10:58:14    1522881

ritchie

so whats meaths excuse then?
ye had a 30 thousand stadium and let it fall to rack and ruin where the capacity reduced by 66%

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 12/12/2013 12:26:15    1522947

TheMaster
County: Mayo
Posts: 9758

1522881 They lack a lot of things.

Facilities isnt one of them...

...Neither is All Ireland medals

bubba83 (Dublin) - Posts: 333 - 12/12/2013 14:03:11    1523010

Also, it says it all when a meath poster makes such an issue of this and about a perceived advantage to Dublin playing so many games there.
Meath teams of old and indeeed their fans would have had no issue with this and would not let it affect them so.
Sign of the times when meath have a weak team that any excuses will be thrown around the place by some people.

1) It's not a perceived advantage, Dublins own players had said such and admitted they wouldn't like to move from Croker
2) I am a Meath supporter of over 30 years through good and bad and have always held this view as have many other Meath fans so don't think I'm a black sheep
3) I know why we have had little success in recent years and it has nothing to do with Dublin in Croke Park, I never suggested such either

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3748 - 12/12/2013 15:10:08    1523068

Well I dont know if you have difficulty in reading or understanding or whatever, but you are the only meath poster still going on about it and choosing to ignore other posts directed to you...

I am sure you will reply to me though as you seem to like the last word....

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4279 - 12/12/2013 16:26:25    1523108

Fionn
County: Dublin
Posts: 557

1523108
Well I dont know if you have difficulty in reading or understanding or whatever, but you are the only meath poster still going on about it and choosing to ignore other posts directed to you...

I am sure you will reply to me though as you seem to like the last word....

Happy Christmas!!

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3748 - 12/12/2013 16:55:05    1523129

Quod Erat Demonstrandum....!!

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4279 - 12/12/2013 16:58:54    1523133

fionn is correct I see no response from ritchie for my question?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 13/12/2013 16:54:38    1523507