Mayo are pushing at the door and remind me somewhat of the Cork team at the end of the 1980's who had to lose a couple before they got to the top. At the moment they are probably the nearest team to Dublin and I agree with James Horan that they need to take the National League seriously next year to set them up for a good championship.

Byanthon (Tyrone) - Posts: 1792 - 01/12/2013 13:16:13    1519452

Jimbo.......He left two men flapping...
Exactly. Dublin's first goal was the result of a very basic goalkeeping error rather than any sublime flick by Brogan as you would like to believe. Henley should have stayed on his line and let Caff deal with the high ball.

beal (Mayo) - Posts: 1388 - 01/12/2013 14:53:10    1519468

realdub...........beal,how come your innuendo can get through and mine can't? :( .......

Sorry to hear you're having trouble getting your post up.

beal (Mayo) - Posts: 1388 - 01/12/2013 14:58:06    1519470

Donegal didn't take the league seriously.....look what happened to them.

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 01/12/2013 15:00:38    1519472

JayP
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1519472 Donegal didn't take the league seriously.....look what happened to them.

Jim McGuinness era Donegal use the National league as part of their build up to the Championship, in the same way they look at the McKenna cup as a warm up for the National League. I can understand the logic of Jim McGuinness, as Donegal maybe don't have the same depth of the likes of Dublin, Cork, Mayo, Tyronee etc to maintain a sustained challenge on all competition fronts.
Ideally he wants Donegal to be in Division 1 and Im sure he would be delighted to win it. But his priority is the championship, and getting Donegal right for the Championship.

The other teams do set out to try and win the National league. So perhaps using Donegal isn't the best example.

GaryMc82 (Derry) - Posts: 3026 - 01/12/2013 16:16:10    1519511

I really don't know if other teams set out to win the league tbh. Dublin did last year and so did Tyrone. Kerry , Donegal and Mayo certainly did not. And through the years there is plenty of examples of other counties not wanting to win it as it interferes with championship training.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 01/12/2013 17:18:25    1519538

I don't know if we set out to win the league as such, it was about blooding new players and trying a more attacking approach for us, hardly the ammunition you need for a serious assault on a Trophy, just so happens it was good enough to win it!

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8744 - 01/12/2013 18:45:32    1519576

@ royaldunne


Yes only some teams will go all out to win the league however the league is mainly used to find out which of your fringe players are up to. You won't find much out in training and it would be silly to risk untested players in the championship. Also those who go into the championship in poor or average league form are rarely able to turn that form around.

Mr_Pundit (UK) - Posts: 677 - 01/12/2013 19:01:49    1519580

TheFlaker
Master doesn't matter how easy the scores are, it is no coincidence that the likes of Brogan, McFadden and Murphy are often the finishers of the moves.

Ya. I wonder has it anything to do with them being in the full forward line? The point is any forward, marquee or otherwise would have put away both the second goals in both games, i.e. the scores that made the difference. McFadden got lucky with a break and brogan was practically standing on the goal line when he go the second. Any forward would have put those goals away, mayo's 'non-marquee' forwards included.


Lockjaw
McFadden's maybe. But you could hardly call Murphy's goal a routine finish.

And if you paid attention you would see that I didnt say it was routine.


Jimbo, brogan just got a flick on the ball and sent it goalward. You cant do any more in a situation like that. He was lucky that it came down in time, that's all. It isnt a criticism, that is all he could have done with it. A flick on like that is always a bit of a lottery. I dont believe there is anything in that goal that shows his high class finishing ability. Nothing wrong with that, you take anything you get, but for this particular point it is apt to point out that it was just a flick on and whether it went over or under was more down to luck and not 'marquee' status.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 01/12/2013 19:21:56    1519587

Master give it a rest will ya.....you always seem to have to have the last say on everything in here. Murphy, MCFadden, Brogan et all have all stepped up and delivered for their counties on final day weather their goals as you put it are lucky or not they got them, we didn'tp, end of story.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11550 - 01/12/2013 19:49:42    1519603

Excellent beal, keep'em coming :D

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8744 - 01/12/2013 19:57:02    1519608

I've never played a Gaa match in my life without going out there to try and win, how people on here can think inter county players don't go out to win league titles(matches) is a complete joke. Cop on lads ffs why are the best teams in Division 1 then?? Royaldunne telling us this year that Meath didn't want to win the league final in Croker what aload of bull.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 01/12/2013 21:13:07    1519645

The Master great players make there own luck my man.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 01/12/2013 21:17:26    1519647

So what happened mayo the three times they played kerry didn't they have {according to most mayo people} the best forward ever to play the game ciaran mcdonald . Its funny how when the dubs and donegal beat mayo in the final the are great teams but when its kerry ah well its only mayo they say. I never thought mcdonald was any good anyway as he was overated in my opinion.

chicago09 (Kerry) - Posts: 694 - 01/12/2013 21:29:00    1519650

Chicago Kerry .......... I never thought mcdonald was any good in my opinion.
Wow! They say we're all entitled to our opinion. I'm not so sure any more.

beal (Mayo) - Posts: 1388 - 01/12/2013 21:47:29    1519662

Brogan was trying to score a goal and he did. Andy Moran tried to score a goal later on and he did.

Neither were lucky that the ball went into the goals because that's exactly what they were trying to do with it. Both got it right no luck in either finish at all. Luck perhaps in how both chances came about, for Brogan he got the luck that the keeper came out but he saw this and reached accordingly. Andy Moran got the lucky break but again punished Dublin with a good finish.

Both goals had an element of luck in the build up but neither finish was in anyway lucky seeing as both players put the ball exactly where they wanted it to go.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13796 - 02/12/2013 11:32:06    1519724

yew_tree
Master give it a rest will ya.....you always seem to have to have the last say on everything in here. Murphy, MCFadden, Brogan et all have all stepped up and delivered for their counties on final day weather their goals as you put it are lucky or not they got them, we didn'tp, end of story.

I respond to comments that I dont agree with, like you have just done. Also, you dont seem to get the point. Im not making excuses for mayo, we lost and deserved to on the day. Nor am I saying brogan is a bad player, as mesamis seems to think. Im trying to dispell this myth that you have to have these 'marquee forwards' to win a final, by displaying that things that made the difference in the last 2 finals did not have anything marquee about them. Mesamis has inadvertantly made a similar point. He says brogan and moran got their goals in a similar fashion. Yet moran isnt considered a marquee forward is he? So if a non-marquee forward can get a goal that is considered the same, obviously it has nothing to do with someone labelling a guy as 'marquee', does it.

This thing is, marquee forwards is just a buzzword. The man who made the difference was cluxton. Take him out and I dont think dublin win, take brogan out and another forward could have taken those chances. So was it marquee forwards that made the difference? No. It was the goalkeeper. So then, do you need a marquee goalkeeper to win sam? No you dont. Teams are different and should be judged as such. Only a fool would buy into these hard fast rules.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 02/12/2013 12:01:38    1519727

I agree on the marquee forward business with Master. Mayo don't need a single marquee forward, they just need more consistency from those already there. Too many have gone missing in the last 2 All-Ireland Finals when the going got tough.

Disagree that BB's first goal was as lucky as being made out by Master. Following his logic would mean every score ever was lucky.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13796 - 02/12/2013 12:33:25    1519744

Was it luck or a sublime finish ??? Well we have really hit the funny season with a bang but hey its xmas lets play , and lets be honest ego apart who cares ? A sh1t goal yields three points and touch of genius yields the same . The marquee forward another touchy subject , lets just say if there was a transfer window based on performances in All Ireland finals gooch brogan and murphy would sell for the most .
But the question was regarding Mayos chances ? Well lets go back to the beginning of the year the majority of die hard blues fans were hoping for a semi final spot and retaining Leinster , a good run in the league and a bit of blooding of new talent . In other words our chances and the belief in those chances weren't exactly rock solid .
So whats said about Mayo in a similar vein is conjecture that could just as easily be proved to be bullsh1 t either way , there are those that honestly believe Cork are dark horses , I can only conclude with so many household names gone that such hope is based on name and reputation plus a new coach added into cauldron , Tyrone because they are always there its so easy to let the name roll off the tongue as a contender rather than deeply analyse were they are in reality . Donegal and Mayo I feel are in a similar boat , how they come back from in Donegals case humilitation , in Mayos serious disappointment again , no one knows are there serious players in both camps yes , are they of the material to win an all ireland yes , do they have the squad to take them through to Sept victory , well thats not so clear today , time will reveal all ,
IMO can Mayo win the All Ireland yes , will I back them no , I will be more interested in what emerges from the north next year Monaghan are they a one trick pony or will there game evolve , Donegal if house is in order will be a threat of that Im sure . Kerry the league will tell us were there emerging talent is ? For without it they will fall short again .the new rules and whos game adapts best to them a factor to be reckoned with ,
Bit unfair a whole thread on can Mayo win Sam , can Galway ,can Tyrone , would be great to see new contenders emerge but its also hard to see .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 02/12/2013 12:37:32    1519747

It was a cunning and sublime flick that turned the game on its head

It was Dublin's most crucial score of the day

It was also a superb ball by Flynn

Perfect weight / length

Dropped it right into that area that puts doubt in the minds of defenders / keepers

Should I come out... should I say put... will he come out... or will he stay put

It was the quality of pass that forced the Mayo keeper to make an error but that's what quality balls do to keepers...

Exactly where Brogan would have wanted it... he looked up and picked out his target from 40 yards

Nothing routine about it.

It's simply not the correct word to describe that passage of play.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 02/12/2013 12:52:10    1519754