themaster

you realise he said our underage teams dont you?they dont play in croke park apart from a leinster final in minor level,
if you going to pick one line out of a post read the whole lot before making a ridiculous comment

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 05/12/2013 15:37:19    1520984

Fionn

OMG make your minds up...

One minute ye want a share of Dublin's Sponsorship kitty and the next ye want to stop us playing League games in Croker, even though the money from the bigger gate receipts that brings, is split amongst all counties...
_______

Hahaha

oh yeah... brilliant!

Well figured...

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 05/12/2013 15:45:25    1520988

hill16no1man
County: Dublin
Posts: 6696

1520982 sedico

differant times what are you on about?
you said is it just a coincidence that dublin playing in croker is helping their underage well I gave you a clear indication that we have done for years before and yes it is just a coincidence.
you seem to want to find reasons for everything other then look quite clearly at it and realise we just have got a group of very good players thats why they are achieveing success.or maybe you just dont want to admit thats why.


Different times because sponsors only appeared in late 80's/early 90's. Different times becuase of the fact that there is a lot more money in the GAA nowdays. Its all about money now. There really is no point in debating any further if you can't see that.

I said nothing. I asked a question to generate debate. I'm not attempting to find reasons at all because I'm fully aware of how many good players Dublin have. I'm willing to admit to these things and its a pity that posters from Dublin like yourself can't take a leaf from that book.

sedico (Kildare) - Posts: 1682 - 05/12/2013 15:59:24    1520994

jimbodub
County: Dublin
Posts: 11513

1520988 Fionn

OMG make your minds up...

One minute ye want a share of Dublin's Sponsorship kitty and the next ye want to stop us playing League games in Croker, even though the money from the bigger gate receipts that brings, is split amongst all counties...
_______

Hahaha

oh yeah... brilliant!

Well figured...




Yea because I said that Dublin shouldn't play in Croke Park and I said I wanted Dublins sponsorship money!!!

Not very well figured at all really.

sedico (Kildare) - Posts: 1682 - 05/12/2013 16:01:26    1520996

sedico

cant admit what exactly ?
how is it all about money please tell me?
do dublin buy players?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 05/12/2013 16:29:19    1521005

I wasn't talking about you Sedico...

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 05/12/2013 16:38:48    1521009

hill16no1man
County: Dublin
Posts: 6697

1521005 sedico

cant admit what exactly ?
how is it all about money please tell me?
do dublin buy players?


Jeez this is tough going. Straight away you think I'm making some accusation about Dublin with your 'do Dublin buy players' comment.

Look forget it man. Really is no point.

sedico (Kildare) - Posts: 1682 - 05/12/2013 16:47:06    1521011

jimbodub
County: Dublin
Posts: 11515

1521009 I wasn't talking about you Sedico...


Ok apologies. Got the wrong end of it.

sedico (Kildare) - Posts: 1682 - 05/12/2013 16:48:11    1521013

If Kildare County Board had any sense they and Meath would try get their league games played in Croke Park WITH Dublin and take their fair share of the cash!

No brainier really, given Kildares current outlook that would be prudent.

Just wonder what TheMaster's opinion is on Mayo giving the Leitrim a dig out. And how the Connaught Council will address the alarming gap between Mayo and minnows out West?

He has plenty of views on Dublin, so it would be nice to hear his plan for Balancing out the disparity in population and cash out west.....and sponsorship!?

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 05/12/2013 16:58:05    1521017

Exactly JP.
Meath and Kildare could easily request to play some games in Croker also as part of Double headers.

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4281 - 05/12/2013 17:04:42    1521020

Sedico, I wasn't specifically aiming that post at you but in general so relax there like a good lad...

Fionn (Dublin) - Posts: 4281 - 05/12/2013 17:06:01    1521022

No problem jayp. I will address your point head on.

But since I asked first...

TheMaster
Exactly right sedico. It is unbelievable short-sightedness on the part of the gaa and if they keep going down this path it will come to a point where far more drastic action will be required to remedy the situation, not to mention the backward step the all ireland series will have taken in the meantime. Now I dont believe that the dublin lads cannot see what is going on, it is occuring all around them every day, but the ones that can see it choose to turn a blind eye. More fool them.

Action now and we get a better gaa for everyone. Action down the line, and we more than likely will have a stagnate all ireland series, with 2 dublin teams being introduced. So really the question is do dublin want the money or their identity?

You might actually answer my questions before barking orders at me to answer yours...

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 05/12/2013 17:16:10    1521024

sedico
County: Kildare
Posts: 1571

1520932 hill16no1man
County: Dublin
Posts: 6686

1520926 sedico
County: Kildare
Posts: 1564

Those were different times and well you know that. There wasn't the money then as there is now. However I don't expect you to agree with that either.

Really! Surely during the boom there was more money around than at any time during the history of the state! Certainly more surplus revenue! Dublin didn't perform well at any level bar a U21 success in that period.

People seem to be missing the point here regarding sponsorship! Centres of excellence and stadia etc require significant revenue far outweighing any sponsorship deals that are currently available in the GAA. Sponsorship in the GAA in designed to run team and logistic costs etc! Its not going to build anything concrete!

Sheer disparaties exist in the GAA. The gap between Mayo-Leitrim and Kerry-Waterford is as big as that between Dublin-Louth. But i see no disparaties between the top counties that would prevent them from winning an All Ireland. None statistically and none theoritically!

seany16 (Dublin) - Posts: 1663 - 05/12/2013 17:36:37    1521031

To be honest TheMaster, Im delighted you can put passages in bold. Im asking you a question that is not relevant to the highlighted post above?

See this is the point you usually repeat yourself and talk about Dublin. Sedico's plan of centrally taking sponsorship is unrealistic as why would the Dublin County board hand over cash, to only have to ask for it back? The Spring Series has no relevance to Dublin underage success. Stuff that was planned over ten years ago happening because of monies collected recently? A flawed theory based speculation. Dublins success was mapped out in black and white over a decade ago.

Im not barking orders at you, the problem you constantly talk about is not a Dublin issue. And the strength of Mayo and their population/sponsorship has the same issues as Dublin has so Id like you to explain what could be d9ne to address the imbalance just in Connaught. Its a fair enough question? Like most Dublin posters have responded at length reasons why Dublin should continue negotiating good deals/need the cash. And with clarity.

im just asking, focusing solely on Connaught, what do you think should be done to address the massive gaps in funding etc between Mayo and the chasing pack? Would be nice to hear your opinion.

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 05/12/2013 18:53:22    1521061

Exactly seany16

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 05/12/2013 18:55:39    1521062

Fionn
County: Dublin
Posts: 539

1521020
Exactly JP.
Meath and Kildare could easily request to play some games in Croker also as part of Double headers.


I'm not going to speak for Kildare but why would Meath look to play National League games in Croke Park?? why would we want to give up home advantage which is often crucial in League matches?? why would we want to deprive the businesses of Navan (many of whom give generously to the GAA locally) of much needed match day business?? why would we want to deprive the Meath Supporters Club of the income they derive from the car park at Pairc Tailteann and from selling tickets to supporters for half time draws?? why would we essentially give up on the need to redevelop Pairc Tailteann into a modern, comfortable 20'000 + capacity stadium if we weren't going to utilise it for all our games?? why wound we want to play League games in a less than half full vast stadium with diluted atmosphere when our players could benefit from a more vocal support in our own ground in our own county?? why should we ask supporters from more northern and western parts of the county to endure more time and expense in travelling to Croker instead of the shorter less time consuming trip to Navan?? The whole notion would be counter productive in my view for aspects both on and off the field, we're not so worried out losing that we would want to play more frequently in Croker to maintain an advantage, a redeveloped Pairc Tailteann will do us fine thank you very much

Richieq (Meath) - Posts: 3749 - 05/12/2013 21:56:42    1521125

Gate receipts from county matches do not go to the teams involved, a percentage, a small percentage yes. Depending on the competition it will go to the relevant provincial council or to the GAA central council. Most gate receipts are pooled and distrbuted around the various counties. Which is why hosting say a championship match in St Conlaiths is such a bad idea and Dublin playing in Croke Park a good idea. All the arguments about counties if they had a bigger county ground and then gaining revenue is just not true. It makes no sense for Dublin to play in Parnell Park. The money generated from games is vital in keeping the GAA games alive.

For example: The Ulster Club Championships - approximately 50% of gate receipts from each Ulster GAA Club Championship fixture goes directly back to the participating Clubs.
Ulster County Championships - goes to central Ulster Council funds for redistribution.

Munster GAA is interesting:
Munster GAA link
All distributed proportionally to each munster county.

The National legaues are operated differently as is the summer championships.

But you have to go back to the main point of this thread and a very ill-informed statement from a County secretary who presides over a bit of a financial mess. If that is her solution then clearly there is no way out for Kildare GAA. There is NO money in th GAA for paying debt, unfortunately thats your own baby.

And just to highlight what i am saying in 2012 GAA financial director Tom Ryan had this to say "A worrying number of the 383 games played under Central Council jurisdiction during 2012 failed to yield profit, something that could pose serious problems in the future. It is only a slight exaggeration to say that our financial well-being depends every year, in the short term at least, upon a handful of matches." "It's vitally important that we get things right, and in 2012 we did."

So guys cut Dublin some slack,

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4954 - 06/12/2013 08:58:26    1521137

Great Post arock.....

Noticed TheMaster did a legger because he was asked to comment on the Connaught Championship and how to create fairness and cut the gap between Mayo and the chasing pack.

Pity....no credibility if you cant address issues surrounding your own county.

ps....richieq....I was only saying if finances were a huge issue Meath could ask to play in Croke Park as part of the spring series. But ye Meath men, ye dont do the poor mouth. Proper order!

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 06/12/2013 18:12:42    1521335

Let me clarify my reference to Parnell been a dump, I did not mean it as it was falling down etc . Its a lovely place. But about as useful as a ashtray on a motorbike .
So my apologies if my comment caused offence as it was not my intention, its a fine ground for let's say Louth or Wicklow but for Dublin? Its pointless. It can not cope with the demand that it should . By all means expand it and no one would complain as it is desperately needed. But the Croke park thing cannot and should not be used for home league games. You cannot kick a dog and then get annoyed that it bites you. Home league games be played at home, not in Croke park, as you all have said that you have no advantage as its not home ground. So play them in a redeveloped Parnell that is fit for purpose.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 06/12/2013 21:08:40    1521359

royaldunne.....point taken about home games etc....but....

Redeveloping Parnel Park to a 40k stadium.....because essentially thats what would need to happen, to lie vacant most of the year. Madcap plan surely?

The GAA already have a white elephant.....Croke Park. Empty most of the year. Its in Dublin.
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For the good of the GAA.....a line thats thrown around here.....Dublin must use Croke Park. Two big empty stadia.....no financial sense. And thats the bottom line really.

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 07/12/2013 10:44:21    1521377