royaldunne
County: Meath
Posts: 5099

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Why on earth should one county who get a good deal subsidise one that can't? Doesn't make sense to me, what next? I'll be honest I wouldn't like to see money from tayto park been given to another county. Look kettle and co got excellent deal for Dublin, and fair play to them, why should they now hand a portion of that revenue over to Kildare or whoever? Each county should get their own deals. Let's be honest this talk of super powers is absurd Dublin have appeared in less all Ireland finals than Kerry, cork, Meath Tyrone and even Mayo over last 30 years Little perspective here, yes they are going through a purple patch as of late, but sure Tyrone, Kerry cork and Meath have gone through the same over last few decades.

What the Kildare official is trying to do is place the proximate cause of her counties failings outside their own realm of control. Its a case of us weaker counties have no chance in the face of Dublin-esque sponsorship deals. Yet why should counties like Tyrone and Donegal, counties of similar size to Kildare win All Irelands, yet Kildare cannot? From the outset, there is no obvious reason why Kildare cannot be successful! Why can Kildare's neighbours Meath, win All Irelands yet Kildare cannot? What i suggest is that the official concentrates on improving and building on the recent success they have had at provincial level at underage! I suggest they try bring that success to national level and draw off the experience of Tyrone and Dublin in football and recently Clare in Hurling.

I'd be far more willing to listen to counties like Carlow, Leitrim, Fermanagh and Longford etc who have obvious demographic inhibitions rather than listen to a county that needs to get its own house in order before complaining that their proximate cause of failure resides in exterior influences!

seany16 (Dublin) - Posts: 1663 - 30/11/2013 17:40:49    1519328

Good post Seany16

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 30/11/2013 19:45:38    1519353

Good post Seany16

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 30/11/2013 19:48:49    1519355

Dublin don't have to share their sponsorship but their funding from central level by the GAA should be adjusted.Andy Kettle said this money from AIG would be used to spread the message of Dublin GAA if this is the case they don't need to receive as much money from the GAA at central level anymore.The money the GAA has pumped into Dublin GAA has worked and Dublin are generating plenty of money themselves now.The GAA need to target Antrim in particular as a place to grow GAA it has a big population and should be doing better.

uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 30/11/2013 20:06:55    1519360

uibhfhaili1986


I agree with some of your post but your final remark about Antrim underachieving even though they have a big population is way off the mark.. You have to remember the fact that half, or more, off the population would never ever consider playing the game due to their religion. I think you would need to look at playing populations for this type of argument to be made.

I do believe we could do with some investment, however I don't believe we have the county board which would make use of it........the free pints and junkets have to come from somewhere ;)

frankbhoy77 (Antrim) - Posts: 1300 - 30/11/2013 20:21:52    1519364

frankbhoy77
County: Antrim
Posts: 995

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uibhfhaili1986


I agree with some of your post but your final remark about Antrim underachieving even though they have a big population is way off the mark.. You have to remember the fact that half, or more, off the population would never ever consider playing the game due to their religion. I think you would need to look at playing populations for this type of argument to be made.

I do believe we could do with some investment, however I don't believe we have the county board which would make use of it........the free pints and junkets have to come from somewhere ;)

I was accounting for the unionist population so although I am not sure of the split, Antrim has a population of 600,000 so they really should be doing better and I am sure investment would eventually pay dividends like it has in Dublin.

uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 30/11/2013 20:39:07    1519369

seany16
County: Dublin
Posts: 1222


What the Kildare official is trying to do is place the proximate cause of her counties failings outside their own realm of control. Its a case of us weaker counties have no chance in the face of Dublin-esque sponsorship deals. Yet why should counties like Tyrone and Donegal, counties of similar size to Kildare win All Irelands, yet Kildare cannot? From the outset, there is no obvious reason why Kildare cannot be successful! Why can Kildare's neighbours Meath, win All Irelands yet Kildare cannot? What i suggest is that the official concentrates on improving and building on the recent success they have had at provincial level at underage! I suggest they try bring that success to national level and draw off the experience of Tyrone and Dublin in football and recently Clare in Hurling.

I'd be far more willing to listen to counties like Carlow, Leitrim, Fermanagh and Longford etc who have obvious demographic inhibitions rather than listen to a county that needs to get its own house in order before complaining that their proximate cause of failure resides in exterior influences!


I could have sworn we won four All Irelands.

sedico (Kildare) - Posts: 1682 - 30/11/2013 20:50:34    1519375

Sedico I think its fair to say he is speaking post war. Ie after 1948 even 50s.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 30/11/2013 21:02:24    1519377

Kildare GAA playing the poor mouth while sitting proudly as Leinster Minor / U21 Champions...

Think of it...

Why would Dublin hand over it's own revenue to strengthen Kildares current grip on Leinster even further

Instead of playing the poor mouth why don't Kildare focus on their absolute positives...

It shows a huge lack of belief and belittles their current success

Silly stance to take while they have such a strong hand

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 30/11/2013 21:07:31    1519379

I think that statement was the personal view of the Kildare official and is not shared by the majority of Kildare fans. There is no need for Dublin posters to get upset over it as we all know its not going to happen ever and if it did we might end up with less than we are getting already!

murof (Kildare) - Posts: 480 - 30/11/2013 21:37:41    1519390

uibhfhaili1986

Unfortunately I think its gonna take more than money to bring antrim any silverware at the moment. I do agree though, we should be doing much better than we currently are

frankbhoy77 (Antrim) - Posts: 1300 - 30/11/2013 21:39:27    1519391

I may be wrong here but i think the kildares secretarys point of view was the following.

We get 100,000 yoyos (or whatever they get) sponsorship to make our senior team better and try to win an all ireland
Dublin get 4 million to try to win an all ireland. In an amateur organisation thats not fair.

What she doesnt realise is that dublins sponsorship money will be filtered down through clubs, underage structures, facilities etc etc. Dont get me wrong this wiil improve the dublin teams but its not like they are using their money to turn their intercounty teams professionnal.

Stan.D.Hogan (Galway) - Posts: 152 - 01/12/2013 10:02:07    1519413

dubling can have all the money in the world for all I care it will never change the fact that they'll still be dubling and that's a stigma i'm sure most of us wouldn't wish on anyone.....

Gammy_Knee (USA) - Posts: 1482 - 01/12/2013 11:49:21    1519428

Post 1948. Bit like the Man U fans thinking soccer started in 1992.

The Gaa was founded in 1884 and not post 1948 as some might think.

sedico (Kildare) - Posts: 1682 - 01/12/2013 12:21:31    1519442

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/blackrock-rfc-agrees-to-sell-land-to-cuala-to-ease-debt-1.1612361

And here we are being told Dublin clubs fundraise to get there facilities, must be doing a lot of fundrasing for this.

Also Cuala need to improve their social and playing facilities to meet the demand of their 2,000 members and 95 teams. Agin here we are being told Dublin doesnt have an advantage in terms of numbers...

Im sure the usual posters will have their usual ways to ignore this..

moomoo (Kerry) - Posts: 4023 - 01/12/2013 12:42:23    1519447

Oh moo moo, what will we do with ye? Digging, digging, how water pipes have you burst up to now, the Cuala members are paying for this out of their own pocket, now that's what I call club spirit, and also, it's nice to help out the rugby crowd!

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8775 - 01/12/2013 14:21:31    1519459

01/12/2013 12:42:23
moomoo
County: Kerry
Posts: 3742

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http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/blackrock-rfc-agrees-to-sell-land-to-cuala-to-ease-debt-1.1612361

And here we are being told Dublin clubs fundraise to get there facilities, must be doing a lot of fundrasing for this.

Also Cuala need to improve their social and playing facilities to meet the demand of their 2,000 members and 95 teams. Agin here we are being told Dublin doesnt have an advantage in terms of numbers...

Im sure the usual posters will have their usual ways to ignore this..

Your cherry picking , which is neither intelligent nor unusual for you , Cula are one of the biggest clubs in Dublin there are a few others Boden , Crokes , Vincents , Na Finna , however after them like in any county there are for want of a better word Ordinary clubs , Im a member of one such club , this year we had no minor hurling team , we had no under 21 team , due to lack of numbers
As for fundraising Ive a direct debt monthly for club lotto , this year with many many many other joe soaps we bag packed , had a boxing night , quiz for juvenilles which required going around buisness and retail outlets asking for prizes etc etc etc
For every big club in Dublin there at least 10 normal sized doing what clubs have done for over a hundred years
Every county has its power houses and Dublins no different .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 01/12/2013 14:36:15    1519465

Lets ban Dublin in both codes for 5 years.

And see how great the GAA is without us!

They'd have nothing to talk about!

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 01/12/2013 14:59:01    1519471

realdub
County: Dublin
Posts: 2430

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Oh moo moo, what will we do with ye? Digging, digging, how water pipes have you burst up to now, the Cuala members are paying for this out of their own pocket, now that's what I call club spirit, and also, it's nice to help out the rugby crowd!

Im sure you have something to back that up dont you? Its not like you'd make it up or anything is it...

moomoo (Kerry) - Posts: 4023 - 01/12/2013 15:49:27    1519495

Damothedub
County: Dublin
Posts: 1206

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01/12/2013 12:42:23
moomoo
County: Kerry
Posts: 3742

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http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/blackrock-rfc-agrees-to-sell-land-to-cuala-to-ease-debt-1.1612361

And here we are being told Dublin clubs fundraise to get there facilities, must be doing a lot of fundrasing for this.

Also Cuala need to improve their social and playing facilities to meet the demand of their 2,000 members and 95 teams. Agin here we are being told Dublin doesnt have an advantage in terms of numbers...

Im sure the usual posters will have their usual ways to ignore this..

Your cherry picking , which is neither intelligent nor unusual for you , Cula are one of the biggest clubs in Dublin there are a few others Boden , Crokes , Vincents , Na Finna , however after them like in any county there are for want of a better word Ordinary clubs , Im a member of one such club , this year we had no minor hurling team , we had no under 21 team , due to lack of numbers
As for fundraising Ive a direct debt monthly for club lotto , this year with many many many other joe soaps we bag packed , had a boxing night , quiz for juvenilles which required going around buisness and retail outlets asking for prizes etc etc etc
For every big club in Dublin there at least 10 normal sized doing what clubs have done for over a hundred years
Every county has its power houses and Dublins no different .

Cherry picking the same why the Dubs do to back their points up? But of course its different for ye isnt it?

So every county has clubs with 96 teams does it? Or 2000 plus members? Show us the stats for that, you seeing as it happens in every county that shouldn't be a problem for you. But then again back up points isnt something you Dubs do now is it? Like always this will be passed off with one of the 8 points made out at the start of the thread...

moomoo (Kerry) - Posts: 4023 - 01/12/2013 15:54:42    1519499