99% of people think the money goes on County Teams!

Posted this before and here is a copy and paste. This is my answer as to why DCB should keep the money and not give it to others!

As to Government Funding.

a. The GAA and the Irish Government did NOT give the DCB money!!! The DCB ASKED for this money.

Obviously behind this ASKING was a very clear, well thought out, detailed and goal orientated strategic plan!! The DCB have executed on this plan and are therefore to be congratulated, including all those at club level.

b. Would I give this money to other counties? At this moment NO!

Why? Well till they have an all inclusive strategic long term plan like the DCB it would be just a waste of money. And when I say inclusive I don't just mean Football and Hurling but also Ladies Football and Camogie!! Such are the structures that have been put in place I have seen the dormant Camogie section of our club turn in a vibrant juvenile section (winning County League and Shield titles this year). This also means a vibrant Ladies Football section! This will mean a vibrant Adult ladies section in 10 years, like how everything the DCB and the clubs has been built.

Huge resources (not just financial) have been ploughed into the game by the DCB. The basic philosophy is build great structures for kids (boys and girls) get them in, have them play football one week and hurling next week! Also using indoor facilities etc to keep this going all winter long.

This massive strategic push, mapped out with clear objectives on paper to get the youth of Dublin playing GAA (all codes and sexes) has been the reason the DCB gets money. IT FOCUSES ON KIDS!!!

This is why for example Dublin County teams have NO Centre of Excellence or fixed Training ground/gym.....we didn't waste any money on the County teams!!! ...as they were not the future.

Till other Counties come out with the same type of 10~20 year plans, focused on the youth, both girls and boys and both football and hurling then why should the GAA invest more in them than they already do?

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 28/11/2013 17:20:40    1518882

hill16no1man
exactly jimbo,it overflows nearly every year but when it comes to helping the people of the capital they can go and stuff themselves was what we were told,but yet who pays for the regenration programme in limerick city!! the taxpayers and where is a quarter of the tax payers from???

Ireland?

On the topic of the shannon, is there a reason why the liffey couldnt be used? Or the sea-water? You would imagine the costs of gathering, treating, moving and storing the water from the shannon at a specific time of year only would more than match the cost of treating the liffey or even salt-water? Anyway it is beside the point. As the saying goes, an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. The topics arnt related and should affect one another in such a fashion. In all seriousness, pooling the money would be far better for the gaa as a whole, and it would probably go a lot further and provide a lot more, because lets face it, dublin have the best of everything anyway. What more can they invest it in that is going to make a big difference to them? There are lots of clubs up and down the country who are crippled with debts. Not huge sums mind, but too big for the clubs to be able to make back. I think removing these debts would be a great thing to do with a sum like that.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 28/11/2013 17:31:38    1518888

@crossfieledball : The reality is that AIG don't give a damn about Dublin GAA, any other county GAA, or the GAA at all. And why should they? You're assuming that they are paying sponsoring money for altruistic reasons when the reality is that AIG, Chill Insurance, Avonmore or any of them are only doing it for commercial exposure. What is done with the money by the recipient is of no concern or care to them in the slightest and to suggest AIG wouldn't pay over the money if it was going in to a central fund and not directly into Dublin GAA alone is frankly ridiculous.

@valley84 : Exactly. Some Dublin GAA clubs have more GDO's and full time coaches than entire counties have

KeyserSoze (Cork) - Posts: 363 - 28/11/2013 17:32:29    1518889

crossfieldball
Ridiculous idea in reality..Dublin for obvious reasons are always going to be the top dogs in terms of sponsorship. If AIG were informed that their 4 million would be shared out you'd see Dublin with a blank jersey fairly fast.

Why? I dont think that is accurate. AIG would still be on the shirt and they would still have bought the rights to do it. For them it has the same effect - lots of jersies with AIG on them. How would it be different for them or any sponsor? That doesnt add up.


HandyMoran, nice to see you on another dublin related topic defending the dublin angle to the bone. How are things in roscommon?!

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 28/11/2013 17:38:29    1518891

TheMaster
County: Mayo
Posts: 9602

1518819 hurlingdub
Did Kildare share the money they got from horse owners and others when they were trying to buy an All Ireland?
No.

Ahem, so you are saying that Dublin bought the all ireland this year?
Nice work...


Are any of the Dublin players paid or given houses? don't think so.

See above for what DCB does with the money, and as explained by Fionn and others. If Kildare put as much into hurling as they did into Seanie Johnson - who made a mockery of their SHC - they might have a case.

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 28/11/2013 17:39:45    1518892

witnof
As to Government Funding.
a. The GAA and the Irish Government did NOT give the DCB money!!! The DCB ASKED for this money.
Obviously behind this ASKING was a very clear, well thought out, detailed and goal orientated strategic plan!!


witnof. Can I have the AIG money? I have a well thought out plan in place.

There you go, I asked for it. Get it over here quicksharp!

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 28/11/2013 17:40:55    1518893

@witnof : It's been well documented that the public money going to Dublin GAA was done with the assistance of Bertie Ahern. So the DCB pulled the stroke re taxpayer's money with Bertie Ahern's help first? Aren't they great. What chance in the current economic climate do other counties have of pulling a Bertie style stroke? Any county can produce a strategic plan, but only Dublin had a Bertie.

KeyserSoze (Cork) - Posts: 363 - 28/11/2013 17:43:49    1518897

28/11/2013 16:14:53
yew_tree
County: Mayo
Posts: 5207

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If it was a Leitrim official that came out with this you could feel sorry for them. Kildare is probably the richest county in Ireland. Plenty of multinationals and horse breeders.....could Kildare GAA no approach them, set out their stall and try and get a lucrative deal?

Also is the current Dublin deal not less than the Vodafone one? I wish people would stop moaning and get on with it.

Yew tree , its fellas like you and Bennybunny that remind me not to fall into the trap of disliking a county just because of guys like kyzer( i need attention ) soze or I know more than anyone master , some decent heads on here , only problem being the muppets right at a 3 to 1 ratio .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 28/11/2013 18:27:29    1518920

28/11/2013 17:17:16
crossfieldball
County: Galway
Posts: 492

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Ridiculous idea in reality..Dublin for obvious reasons are always going to be the top dogs in terms of sponsorship. If AIG were informed that their 4 million would be shared out you'd see Dublin with a blank jersey fairly fast.

In theory its a great idea however. But how to do it? anyone wishing to sponsor a team pays into a GAA fund and then funds are shared equally?...a spending/funding cap be placed on counties?..what would go on jerseys then?

Correct , its fair to assume that AIG have given the money for EXPOSURE and want to be associated with SUCCESS , key components to any marketing strategy , now the money does not guarantee success but it doesn't harm it either , the man with a cheque wouldnt be over enamoured with county board if neither success or exposure was forth coming .
Lets not kid ourselves very very few big deal sponsors give a crap about the GAA family , and are not paying into any board or county that doesn't serve there interests .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 28/11/2013 18:34:30    1518923

I've very little respect for Kildare or any other county when they come out with this . They should focus on their own problems instead of going off crying about Dublin's sponsership.

RebelCork (Cork) - Posts: 789 - 28/11/2013 18:35:11    1518924

No Freudian slip folks , write at 3-1

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 28/11/2013 18:35:46    1518926

Jeez, I see this place hasn't changed in last few months anyway.

doublehop (Kildare) - Posts: 4172 - 28/11/2013 19:13:07    1518934

The key point in all aspects of this discussion is the fact that Dublin, or the DCB, have managed to get their house in order. This debate or comments from the Kildare CB simply wouldn't materialize had Dublin not won 2/3 of the last All Irelands. Its simply an excuse from counties like Kildare to attempt to place their shortcoming upon factors apparently outside their control. Yet within that partially paraphrased statement we see no acceptance of responsibility for the financial predicament that Kildare find themselves in. Kildare, a county with a potentially large support-base have no ground of their own worth talking about and that fact has hurt them over the years in terms of their development. The common opinion that Kildare focussed upon trying to achieve success without concentrating on their grass roots did not materialize from no-where!

It also should be pointed out that the players who delivered Dublin's recent success were developing long before the Vodafone and AIG deals were put in place. Our recent success is the fruition of years of hard work rather than an over night success that many seen to believe is evident. One only has to look at the case of Tyrone as another example of what the effect of getting your house and structures in order can lead to.

Lastly, i have yet to hear an official or commentator from any county board or elsewhere, make a valid case of how Dublin's new sponsorship deals actually aids them in achieving success! Exactly how does it make our players better? Is there really a case to be made that young Dublin players are developed better than all other counties? If so how? Document how our players are developed better than other top counties if making such claims. Are young Dublin players better developed than Cork, Tyrone and Kerry players? I think not and i certainly think most people in the aforementioned counties agree with me.

What is easily clear is that the revenue required to run Dublin GAA from an administrational perspective is rather large, but exactly where that revenue transpires into separating Dublin from other top counties is not at all evident? And i've yet to hear someone make a valid case that it does! If someone on here can; the floor is yours!

seany16 (Dublin) - Posts: 1663 - 28/11/2013 19:22:29    1518936

Crossfieldball

AIG wouldnt care where the 4 million goes as long as they get their name on the dubs jersey.

In all fairness, i dont have a clue how dublin will use the money but with the amount of clubs, players, pitches etc you can hardly begrudge them it. The only thing i would like to see from a financial point of view is maybe a limit or something like that on spending on intercounty teams. I think its unfair for some of the smaller counties to work on a budget a fraction the size of a dublin or cork etc. Fair enough if a county goes further in the championship they get more but its only 35-40 players and backroom staff for each and every team it should be a similar amount in my opinion.

Stan.D.Hogan (Galway) - Posts: 152 - 28/11/2013 19:28:05    1518941

Some sense there Stan. Dublin CLG is a vast operation with I'd say over 20,000 players at different levels. The sponsorship money stretches pretty thin when you are operating at that level. I was at function last night for Sam and the local club was selling lotto tickets and doesn't have its own pitch or dressing rooms. So this notion that Dublin CLG is falling down with money is a myth. Proportionately we are no better off than most.

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 28/11/2013 19:34:52    1518943

Bull

come down to a country club and see what help we get from the county boards - nothing!!!
Who pays for the GPOs in Dublin clubs???

valley84 (Westmeath) - Posts: 1903 - 28/11/2013 19:45:10    1518945

valley

your mising the point,the dublin county board done allthe hard work because they knew it would benifit them,if a sharing out of sponsorship was to happen do you think dublin officals would have gotten as good a deal as they got,of course not as why would they want to do all the hard work to bail other out who cannot do it themselves.plus if you were to pool all sponsorship into a pot what sponsors would want to do that as they may aswell be just sponsoring the gaa brand as a whole in that case aand with three differant companies officaly sponsoring the gaa championships im sure they would be looking to reduce the money they would be forking out if that was the case

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 28/11/2013 20:46:42    1518963

the master

for a start we dont have a ground capable of holding our own matches.
we dont like other counties have centres of excellence(which is one of the main reasons we are not in debt like alot)
there is options we could do with money like other county boards have done but I would much prefer to continue to put the money back into promoting the games,getting kids to clubs,developing players and so on like we have done as its reaping the rewards now.
maybe instead of other county boards building oversized stadiums and fancy centres of excellence and club grounds that are way over the top,they should follow the dublin county boards planning.that way instead of penalising dublin for running their ship correctly you would be improving the way the other countys run theirs and producing more money for themselves instead of looking for handouts.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 28/11/2013 20:52:27    1518965

the master

you would have to ask minsiter noonan those questions,all I know is he didnt want to touch his beloved shannon to help us out anyway and neither did the limerick city councils whose response to it was "let he genuises in dublin sort out their own problems".

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 28/11/2013 20:55:57    1518968

these wind up threads are no good, the most important thing on most Dubs minds at the moment is whether to get the 2013 winning Sam dvd and new jersey or dvd and new AIG jacket or AIG jacket and jersey and then O Byrne cup match against Westmeath to look forward to in Mullingar to watch the champs run onto the pitch.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 28/11/2013 21:04:31    1518971