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I think by and large you're right, the Gaa is most likely just trying to keep Irish broadcasters on their toes, selling to SkySports would have a very negative reaction over here and unless they were offering tonnes of extra money then I can't really see the benefit anyway. Sky is unlikely to offer millions extra either because let's face it the Irish market is tiny compared to the British market and we're fooling ourselves if we think the British are going to buy into Gaa en masse just because Sky are on board.

I'd like to see Sky promote Gaa in the same breath, but not on any exclusive level yet, which means of course they would pay far less money and attention but it might be no harm to just dip the feet in and see how things go.

Just finally, I don't think having Sky on board would influence pay for play though, unless Sky was willing to pay above and beyond 50m a year then professionalism isn't viable!

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 17/11/2013 13:56:54    1514303

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Hill selling out to british company? Ah come on.
Its 2013 not 1913. Are we all going looking for maidens dancing at the crossroads.
I am just interested to see the thread about the dubs selling out to the yanks . You know aig ? Or does that not matter cause the money is been pumped into dublin? And I've searched back but can't find the thread that you must have started when dublin were been sponsored by british multi national vodafone. Why is that ? Is it cause you lot would have won nothing only for the millions pumped into dublin gaa by this british and now american company? So its ok for dublin gaa to accept money from these companies once it remains in dublin to buy more all irelands , but not the gaa as a whole as it will benefit all counties equally.
Dublin are bordering on professionalism with all the money they get and facilities they buy with it, I find that more worrying than money going to other counties from a possible deal with sky. No dub can have the neck to try and have a moral compass on the rest of the gaa, you lot sold your soul so keep quite. And one final thing that may be of interest to you.
Sky is owned by ........ Wait for it..... A AUSTRALIAN. Rubert murdoch. Google him if you don't take my word for it. #unrealignorance

you do realise one of the main reaosns the organistaion was set up was to keep irish traditions and culture alive!
we are in an era where britain has probably gained more of a foothold in ireland through media then it ever did through terrorism.
hence my point that keeping the gaa uniquely irish should be more important now then ever.
how are dublin selling out they by being sponsored by aig are not impacting at all on people being able to attend or view dublins matches,aig ireland sponsor dublin anyway if you would to be that technical.
oh yes money has bought dublin success and players to is it man you seem like somebody jealous of your closest neighbours success.
bordering on professionalism are you for real what facitlites our hurlers have to train in wicklow and our footballers have no training base they use clubs.
we dont have a centre of excellence which most countys have so you should do your homework better.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 17/11/2013 14:50:57    1514316

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Before jumping in with two feet firstly as always the devil is in the detail .
Are we talking a proposed deal to run in conjunction with a national station ? no issue there
Are we talking an exclusive deal ? major issues and its a case of where do you start ? Timing of matches would as in soccer would be at the beck and call of the station , remember they are amature players with jobs and college and flexabilty and availabilty is not the same as a professional .
A game currently accesable by everyone for the price of a TV licence is therefore the PEOPLES game , the haves of society will sell off and call it progess , my parents lifelong members of the association and pensioners do not have SKY and should not have to purchase to enjoy something that belongs to the people .
I think there are those that are so suduced by the marketing hype of Sky like kids in a candy shop they just cant help themselves , oh please come and do the same for us please , well our game does not need selling on the back of this years championship hurling in particular , we do not need to have slick tongued stylish ringmasters to tell us whats what .
I just love it when posters describe someone against the selling of the very soul of the game as dinosaurs , its those dinosaurs and fact that while assosication maybe slow in moving have brought this wonderfull institution to where it is today .
So we have to wait and see what comes out , exclusive or partnership ? To sell out or to promote ?


exactly great point damo

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 17/11/2013 14:53:13    1514319

I would love to see Gaelic games shown live on SkySports. The fact that SkySports is a British company is completely and utterly irrelevant. As somebody else has said its 2013. Time to move on. The allowing of foreign sports to be played at GAA HQ (Rule 42) was a massive step and it was one that most people at the time agreed with (Its abolishment). So the argument that its a british company is a bit sad in this day and age when we have already introduced foreign games to GAA HQ.

What SkySports has done for sport but particularly football and the premier league is incredible. They've brought coverage to a different level and to millions of followers all over the globe. They build it up to be the best league in the world. Some will agree. Personally I think its only the third best league in the world but the point is they have built it up so much that people believe it and are taken by it. Its quite extraordinary. Imagine what they could do for Gaelic games, They could put Gaelic football and hurling on the world map.

You ask your average Englishman for example what hurling is im sure most would say, Hurling? Whats that? I know its Irish sport and part of Irish Culture but I think its something that we should be proud to show people all over the world. Make people take notice of this sport and its unbelievable players and fans. Its honesty, pace etc is something that people all over the globe would be in awe of and because of the lack of coverage most people in England never mind Asia wouldn't know what gaelic games is. That's what Skysports could do for the organisation if they did put effort and work into it.

I cant see it happening though.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13654 - 17/11/2013 15:00:53    1514322

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I would love to see Gaelic games shown live on SkySports. The fact that SkySports is a British company is completely and utterly irrelevant. As somebody else has said its 2013. Time to move on. The allowing of foreign sports to be played at GAA HQ (Rule 42) was a massive step and it was one that most people at the time agreed with (Its abolishment). So the argument that its a british company is a bit sad in this day and age when we have already introduced foreign games to GAA HQ.

What SkySports has done for sport but particularly football and the premier league is incredible. They've brought coverage to a different level and to millions of followers all over the globe. They build it up to be the best league in the world. Some will agree. Personally I think its only the third best league in the world but the point is they have built it up so much that people believe it and are taken by it. Its quite extraordinary. Imagine what they could do for Gaelic games, They could put Gaelic football and hurling on the world map.

You ask your average Englishman for example what hurling is im sure most would say, Hurling? Whats that? I know its Irish sport and part of Irish Culture but I think its something that we should be proud to show people all over the world. Make people take notice of this sport and its unbelievable players and fans. Its honesty, pace etc is something that people all over the globe would be in awe of and because of the lack of coverage most people in England never mind Asia wouldn't know what gaelic games is. That's what Skysports could do for the organisation if they did put effort and work into it.

I cant see it happening though.


wow you talk about sky sports making people believe and your one by them comments you are one of them
they wont hype gaa up its not played in england(london aside yes yes) so they wouldnt put the effort into it as they wouldnt have the interest in it in uk,so it would get minimal coverage would be a filling in the time slot sport for them.
would be very bad for gaa if it gave the running of our games to them and let them dictate times of matches to suit them like rugby is run.
how are we living in the past because we want the gaa to be screened live to all irish people and not make them have to subscribe to a pay to watch tv station in britian to watch our national sports?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 17/11/2013 15:12:52    1514330

Foreverroyal

Superp post!! Agree with everyword..

I think the word you are looking for is hypocritical.

When theres talk of SkySports people come out and say this cant happen cause SS are a British company and talk about the reasons why the GAA was set up. But there is no protesting from Hill or threads set up as you rightly say ForeverRoyal about where Dublins funding has come from between the years 2010 and 2013. Without question the funding Dublin have received from Vodafone (A British company) had a HUGE part to play in our success in winning 2 of the last 3 All Irelands. I'm sure hill had no issues with wearing a Dublin jersey that had a huge eye-sore british company logo plastered on the front of it.

If your going to have that view hill, Be consistent with it across the board. You didn't complain when Dublin where benefiting from the millions of euro they have gotten from a British company, So don't start with your patriotic morals now that Skysports has only been mentioned by McKenna.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13654 - 17/11/2013 15:14:35    1514331

Its all spoof. It would be a complete novelty. Soccer, Cricket, Rugby and Rugby league are part of the culture or some parts of England the same way Gaelic Football ans Hurling is part some areas of Ireland. I love soccer but if I watch too many games that nothing happens I go off it and take to calling it muck and avoiding it like the plaigue until I start watching it again and Im back on track. For the fan in England they dont care if the game is bad. Its there tradtition and will watch terrible games day in day out because its part of their identity. Its the same for us here. Ill watch a terrible limerick match over and over again id we won said game. And the football lads on here would watch their county play defensive boring tripe all year if it meant they went on to win the all ireland. When you export a sport you are going against the tradtition of that country. Having a novelty game every now and then on sky will not work. Sure there are parts of Ireland where hurling is not played at all and they couldnt care less if its on RTE and freely availbe. Its not here sport, they dont care.

Fishermantom (Limerick) - Posts: 569 - 17/11/2013 15:15:29    1514333

hill16no1man

you do realise one of the main reaosns the organistaion was set up was to keep irish traditions and culture alive!
we are in an era where britain has probably gained more of a foothold in ireland through media then it ever did through terrorism.
hence my point that keeping the gaa uniquely irish should be more important now then ever.


So what? This is 2013 not 1884, by all means enjoy, learn from and occasionally embrace the past but never ever live in it. I can understand why Irish people don't want to see Gaelic games on Skysports because not everybody in Ireland has Sky tv, that's a very valid reason to be peeved but the fact that it's a British station is and should be totally irrelevant.

Also wayno makes a good point about just how good Sky is at advertising and promoting Sports. They've brought football coverage to a new level, they've brought American football to new heights of popularity in the UK and they took darts from an all time low in the mid 90s to one of the most popular Sport's (or game's whatever want) on tv, there's just a few examples of what they can do.

Detractors shouldn't just dismiss them out of hand, I find it very hard to see the Gaa giving them exclusive rights anyway but it's something to be considered at least.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 17/11/2013 15:30:58    1514336

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yes all above mentioned sports have a market in the uk for there sports
the gaa does not,hence the reason it will not be ploughed money into like darts for exapmle or cricket which are both british sports and have a bas in britian,the gaa would be used as just another tool for them to fill in time spots,theres no big audience in britian apart from irish living there so why would they bother ploughing big money into promoting it

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 17/11/2013 15:40:32    1514343

i fail to see how wanting an irish sport to be shown on irish tv for free ahead of british tv that most people in ireland dont have is living in the past,thats jst typical media rubbish thrown at people who dont buy into the sky sports love in.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 17/11/2013 15:43:27    1514345

waynoI

as mentioned already lad,i fail to see the corolation between dublin being sponsored by a company which does not impact on people being able to attend or watch gaa matches in comparison to a company run outside of ireland that makes you pay to view the station which alot of ireland do not subscribe to and will pick and choose times of matches to suit there scheaduale.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 17/11/2013 15:52:09    1514349

Hill ever here of sky Ireland? Sky are a multinational Australian company. The fact that they set up BSkyB in UK isiirrelevant to this discussion. I think hill you can see that from majority of responses here that your argument on the British thing has no traction. Majority of people live in the present and while accepting of the past don't hark back to it all the time, lets not forget there was no glory in some of the terrorism Ireland did too, the past is there to learn from as I'm sure the British and Irish have done and will continue to do so.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 17/11/2013 16:05:32    1514361

hill16no1man


Here look I didn't say Sky would be a rip roaring success for the Gaa but having thought about it there may be a small market for it in the Uk, don't forget that about 20 million British people have Irish ancestry so it's not a totally a complete punt. What the Gaa has to consider is what percentage of British market would actually buy into Gaelic games (my guess would be quite a small amount) but we'll never know if the Gaa doesn't take a punt.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 17/11/2013 16:06:44    1514363

hill16no1man

i fail to see how wanting an irish sport to be shown on Irish tv for free ahead of british tv that most people in ireland dont have is living in the past,thats jst typical media rubbish thrown at people who dont buy into the sky sports love in.

Absolute nonsense, I didn't say nor imply the tripe you just wrote, the reason I said =

I can understand why Irish people don't want to see Gaelic games on Skysports because not everybody in Ireland has Sky tv, that's a very valid reason to be peeved but the fact that it's a British station is and should be totally irrelevant.

is because you have expressed many irrelevant anti-British sentiments such as =

you do realise one of the main reaosns the organistaion was set up was to keep irish traditions and culture alive!

hence my point that keeping the gaa uniquely irish should be more important now then ever.

Do these guys realise anything about what the GAA was founded for and they want to hand the sport over to an organisation that is british

relevance of them being british is one of the reasons the gaa was founded was to keep irish traditions alive while the british were terrorising ireland,this our national sport something uniquely irish handing over the reigns to a british company would be a shame.


Those are not valid reasons to exclude Skysports, lack of coverage to Irish people is a valid reason to reject Sky but I'll say again, the fact that they are British shouldn't come into the equation but for some reason it clearly bothers you.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 17/11/2013 16:07:14    1514365

royaldunne the fact is the majority of people in ireland dont subscribe to sky sports so how do you feel that showing gaa championship matches on this station will be a good thing?
its our national sport it should be shown on our national stations so the people of ireland can watch it

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 17/11/2013 16:09:35    1514367

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Here look I didn't say Sky would be a rip roaring success for the Gaa but having thought about it there may be a small market for it in the Uk, don't forget that about 20 million British people have Irish ancestry so it's not a totally a complete punt. What the Gaa has to consider is what percentage of British market would actually buy into Gaelic games (my guess would be quite a small amount) but we'll never know if the Gaa doesn't take a punt.

but the gaa is an irish sport,90% of its viewers would be in ireland so trying to please a few people living abroad at the expense of the people of this country is very unfair.
so you feel its more important to show the games to people in britian then it is to the people of ireland who are the ones actualy play and attend the sport

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 17/11/2013 16:19:36    1514373

htaem i never said you made that comment where did i say that?
yes i understand why the gaa was set up,remembering it is important and should not be thrown out just because we are so many years free of british terror in this country which is only a short time space considering we had over 700 years of british terror on this island.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 17/11/2013 16:24:25    1514379

I am astounded that hs allows such anti british tripe to be posted by hill.
His argument is nothing to do with progress in the gaa or helping the organisation. Its all cause its a britsh company. So ill ease his worries sky is australian fact. Yes we receive the british version of it cause its the neighbouring country . I work for sky ireland like hundreds of others atually thousands . Should we tell them to stick their job cause they choose to put their headquarters in the uk?
And in your response to me you never mentioned vodafone. Why's that hill? Did you forget about them been a british muti national. I mean you can distinguish between aig america and ireland can you not do same for sky?
Your argument is totally based on it been british company which it is not rather than what it can do for the gaa.

foreverroyal (Meath) - Posts: 349 - 17/11/2013 16:27:41    1514380

I have absolutely no problems with anyone coming in and shaking the domestic cartel out of their collective lethargy that is the current set up for GAA coverage on this island. There was barely a week gone by without someone starting a thread on how bad the coverage/pundits/commentary/camera work was. I have no issue at all in the 21st century with a UK based company providing the coverage,it aint going to make our games any less Irish is it?

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 17/11/2013 16:39:33    1514387

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I have absolutely no problems with anyone coming in and shaking the domestic cartel out of their collective lethargy that is the current set up for GAA coverage on this island. There was barely a week gone by without someone starting a thread on how bad the coverage/pundits/commentary/camera work was. I have no issue at all in the 21st century with a UK based company providing the coverage,it aint going to make our games any less Irish is it?

yes because it will be brodcast on a station that a large majority of the people who support and play the games dont have so how are they ment to view the matches? therefore you will have an irish sport being brodacast to the the british public and not the irish public

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 17/11/2013 16:54:47    1514390