Ban Dublin. Problem solved. End of Thread!

witnof (Dublin) - Posts: 1604 - 31/10/2013 09:18:56    1507628

How can you completely ignore common sense!

I believe it is yourself who is guilty of this. I have listed thoroughly the logic behind what I am saying here. Objectively, it makes sense.


Most of TheMaster's observations are torn apart when scrutinised!

Examples... I have yet to see this happen once.


Amalgamation is not a good idea but splitting the market leading brand in two is an idea?

Leading brand? Has it not occured to you that splitting the county will actually increase the numbers of people involved in gaa in dublin? So instead of 1 leading brand, we would have 2 strong, growing brands, that combined would be bigger than the old one. Imagine when they played each other in a leinster final for example. It would be a full house every time.

Amalgamation isnt feasible. 3-4 counties joining together up and down the country, just so they can compete with 1 massively oversized county? Talk about taking the mountain to muhammad. Then you have what, 8 or 9 teams in the all ireland series in total. so That kills off the provincial championships, as well as giving these new teams logistical nightmares as regards organising anything. Guys would be travelling huge distances every time they train or play. Not to mention less games, which means less money. Now compare that to splitting dublin, where none of the above are issues at all, there is actually more money being generated, training for the team would actually be easier for them and they are fully capable of competing with the selection available. There is no comparison.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 31/10/2013 10:00:22    1507646

As regards kerry and kilkenny - I have addressed this several times. They are winning without the aid of advantages, so I would do nothing except congratulate them. If dublin were to split, stop getting handouts and win sam with no more resources than the rest of us then I would do the same with them. The reality is they havent done that. Sorry if that isnt waht you want to hear, but it is the truth, and stating it doesnt make me anti-dublin, it makes me honest.

What you lads dont seem to grasp is, what bertie ahern and co said is that basically dublin 'should' be a top team, therefore, we are going to keep investing in them until they are. Surely you can see how unfair that is? They refer to dublin as a 'special case' in the document. But cant the same point be made about london, or new york, or indeed any county? Now I understand the requirement of developing the game from a monetary standpoint and am more than willing to go ahead with that if that is what the focus of people in dublin is. However, the effects of that investment on the all ireland series needs to be factored in also. Otherwise you are just cheating everyone else and using this 'investment' speel as an excuse to do so.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 31/10/2013 10:12:52    1507649

Fact remains

Mayo are spending a huge amount above nearly every other county in Connacht

500,000 on 30 players in 2013.

I wonder if the total spend combined in Leitrim, London, Roscommon came near to 500,000 in 2013?

How many games did Mayo play on their home pitch in 2013?

So stack all those advantages together... what chance did the rest have...?

All the points he makes about Dublin... actually mirror up directly with Mayo

A Mayo man talking about fairness... yet ignoring the all of the above.

The neck on this absolute chancer...

Playing the poor mouth when it suits him and ignoring his own counties spending practices.

Complete hypocrite.

He has no desire for fairness... if he did he should be more concerned how his own county and their behavior.

He bads mouth Dublin... but then wants Dublin GAA revenue...

That's called having your cake and eating it folks...

That sums up Mayo perfectly... millions in debt, yet still spending massively above everyone in Connacht to maintain their advantage.

Playing the poor mouth when it suits...

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 31/10/2013 11:43:24    1507693

Ok....amalgamation....I don't get how it can't work. Lads in college and working are driving massive distances each week to get to training for county teams. Lads are already travelling....it's already happening.

Splitting Dublin in two will grow numbers!? You are splitting the biggest brand in the GAA in two on a hunch!? You have a guaranteed brand that sells....and you are trading it for two brands you have no idea about?

I can bring you a cockroach sandwich and tell you it's good for, but if you don't like the look of it and the taste of it you won't buy it! TheMaster is making the fatal error of assumption. You assume Dublin fans want this, you actually know there's no appetite for a split in Dublin, so it makes zero sense in splitting Dublin. A GAA with two brands that neither Dublin supporters or Country folk have interest in just won't sell.

And again, you have a theory this will make the GAA fairer, it will make Dublin weaker and will ultimately bankrupt the GAA as it will lose revenue of the current Dublin brand. Yeah, let's go that way, Dublin have no chance of winning and Dublin supporters have no interest in GAA.

Dublin funding - where do I start.......I know. Are you deluded!? Dublin GAA are fighting outside sports for the hearts and minds of children throughout the county, the DCB shouldn't get funding that the FAI, IRFU, Basketball Ireland etc etc are getting through Irish Sports Council funding? See in Mayo you have primarily GAA, Dublin are fighting a battle against so many sporting organisations.
Through in socio-economic issues, crime etc, you realise why that funding in Dublin is not only fair, but essential.

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 31/10/2013 12:15:00    1507703

The question about Kilkenny and Kerry!?

You said fair play to them!

Sums you up really, can you not see how counties like Kerry and Kilkenny funding only one code, ignoring the other is a disgrace.

Their dominance is built on huge funding for one team, like Mayo!

Kilkenny dominance in hurling almost got embarrassing, it made hurling boring. And you are patting them on the back and saying funding one code is right and fair!?

Dublin funding two codes and negotiating good deals to keep hurling and football competitive isn't fair?

Pot, kettle, black.......

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 31/10/2013 12:23:09    1507707

You know reading the Master would nearly want you to lose an AI just for him to go away , but funny still think the Romayo sized chip would be around .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 31/10/2013 12:58:40    1507739

Jimbo, the post was about a handout going to dublin to make them a force. What handout did mayo, or anyone else, get to match that? Mayo raises 500,000 themselves to spend on their team. Dublin spent more on their team, some of it raised and some of it payed for by the taxpayers. Your posts ignore this fact over and over, on purpose from what I can see. Such obvious misrepresentation of the argument again and again indicates that you just want to shout me down, because you know deep down that the point is 100% valid.

You are taking the handouts, therefore you should take the required changes because of those handouts. Otherwise you are just cheating everyone else.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 31/10/2013 14:01:11    1507775

JayP
The question about Kilkenny and Kerry!?
You said fair play to them!
Sums you up really, can you not see how counties like Kerry and Kilkenny funding only one code, ignoring the other is a disgrace.

It is their own money - no handouts, they dont have big populations. If they want to half their chance of success by concentrating on one sport over the other then that is their business. They arent cheating anyone, you dont have to play both. Dublin can choose to do exactly the same thing. I know people who dont like hurling, and I know people who dont like football, you cant force people to play something. Now if they were getting money from the pocket of the taxpayer to do it, well that would be an issue. The fact is dublin could enter 6 teams in each code at the same time with each team still having a bigger pick than either kerry or kilkenny. When you consider the handouts on top of that, I would consider that a bigger issue.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 31/10/2013 14:08:57    1507780

I can bring you a cockroach sandwich and tell you it's good for, but if you don't like the look of it and the taste of it you won't buy it! TheMaster is making the fatal error of assumption. You assume Dublin fans want this, you actually know there's no appetite for a split in Dublin, so it makes zero sense in splitting Dublin.

Have you considered that there isnt an appetite in the rest of the country for dublin to be getting all this help? You know there are 3 times as many people in the rest of the country right? And a whole lot more of them go to gaa games, percentage wise. Obviously the dublin fans dont want it, have you ever seen a turkey vote for christmas? The fact is, it shold happen for the good of the game. If you lads dont like that, well sorry lads but tough luck. You dont get to hold the country to randsom.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 31/10/2013 14:13:51    1507783

Dublin raises millions boss... to spend on Dublin GAA

Our profile attracts the lieks of Vodafone / AIG

Even before the Arnotts deal would easily over shadow most sponsorship packages out there

Our Clubs raise their own money... just the same way as every club does

There was a development plan put in place in 2004

That plan was to benefit GAA participation in Dublin at every level... to encourage the growth of our games, to get kids playing GAA.

Not to fund our senior footballers / Hurlers... bloody hell

Talk about a simplistic way of looking at things... and twisting things to suit ones argument.

This would only have a positive impact for the GAA... it's been a great success but we're talking about very little money

Do you honestly Believe every cent spent on Dublin GAA is from the ISC or the GAA?

Wise up man... seriously...

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 31/10/2013 14:21:11    1507785

TheMaster
County: Mayo
Posts: 9311

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I can bring you a cockroach sandwich and tell you it's good for, but if you don't like the look of it and the taste of it you won't buy it! TheMaster is making the fatal error of assumption. You assume Dublin fans want this, you actually know there's no appetite for a split in Dublin, so it makes zero sense in splitting Dublin.

Have you considered that there isnt an appetite in the rest of the country for dublin to be getting all this help? You know there are 3 times as many people in the rest of the country right? And a whole lot more of them go to gaa games, percentage wise. Obviously the dublin fans dont want it, have you ever seen a turkey vote for christmas? The fact is, it shold happen for the good of the game. If you lads dont like that, well sorry lads but tough luck. You dont get to hold the country to randsom.
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So we're bullying and now we're holding the country to ransom...?

Talk to the GAA chief... but honestly I wouldn't see them wasting any time on your ravings...

At least we give you the opportunity to get these paranoid ravings off your chest...

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 31/10/2013 14:25:38    1507788

Good bye folks.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 31/10/2013 14:27:18    1507790

Eh...what was the question again? Can we have a separate AnMáistir forum please, and perhaps throw AnDuinneachRíoga in there too?

an tseabhac (Kerry) - Posts: 441 - 31/10/2013 14:38:14    1507796

an tseabhac
County: Kerry
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Eh...what was the question again? Can we have a separate AnMáistir forum please, and perhaps throw AnDuinneachRíoga in there too?
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Amen to that.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 31/10/2013 14:45:29    1507799

TheMaster

Obviously the dublin fans dont want it, have you ever seen a turkey vote for christmas? The fact is, it shold happen for the good of the game. If you lads dont like that, well sorry lads but tough luck. You dont get to hold the country to randsom.

So are you the spokesman for the rest of the country? Have you got full agreement for your plan from the other 31 counties?

As I said previously - if there was a pattern of one county winning multiple All-Irelands as a result of it's population size or government investment then I could see a point but there isn't. Making the Provincial Championships fairer so that poor teams don't get through to the final stages of the Championship every year would make much more sense to me.

opa01 (Cavan) - Posts: 521 - 31/10/2013 15:01:16    1507804

jimbodub
County: Dublin
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Well said, these arguments are getting flogged to death - endleslly you summarised it perfectly.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4954 - 31/10/2013 15:07:53    1507809

arock...

Expect more of the same.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 31/10/2013 15:38:27    1507824

As per the norm look at the masses falling over themselves agreeing with him...

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 31/10/2013 15:43:24    1507828

Jimbo, a question, why, instead of taking on the points raised and addressing them on their merits, do you instead choose in insult, belittle and attempt to discredit the poster who made them? Can you not just address the points raised on their merits without all this stuff? Surely if they are so ridiculous, like you say, then just point out where that is and that should be that, right? Throw in 'it has been done to death' and 'the masses arent agreeing with you' while you are at it. I have made a case, you have refused to address it. Just address it like a grown man and stop this childish stuff you resort to. It would make things so much easier on everyone.

opa01, I am not the spokesman, no more than jimbo is for dublin. The point was made that dublin would be against giving up these handouts, I made the point the rest of the country would be against them getting them with the end result of an unfair all ireland series. So the same spokesman line can be wheeled out in the other direction also. Now maybe there are some people from outside dublin who want them to get handouts, just like there might be some within dublin who want to win an all ireland and develop gaa within the county a more fair way. Nobody said they speak for everyone.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 31/10/2013 16:31:22    1507847