I read the title of the post.....and said I wonder how many posts would I would read before a certain poster mentioned Dublin and population and finances!

Let it go will you.......people have taken apart that argument time after time when you repeatedly post it.

You hate Dublin....we get it!

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 28/10/2013 13:23:04    1506718

REDANDBLACK30
County: Down
Posts: 43

1506656 Point taken on the lines Ormond Bannerman i will try to write to full lines from now on.If the GAA made 25 million euro profit this
year as a conservative estimate, whats to stop them giving 5 million euro at least to charity? This is not a whinge as some people have said but a general appeal for the GAA to set a better example. It is a great organisation but the pursuit of money is not good
for its image.Meanwhile the players of Armagh and Down and other counties will lose out on money playing on a Friday night- how does
the GAA expect such sacrifices when its objective is making as much money as possible?

How would giving 5 million to charity set an example, money is already given to charity through a lot of different means by the Gaa, Why not compare it to the debt other sporting organisations in Ireland have and the money they have made over the years and then have a go at the GaaT
The way its run and its ticket prices in general are better than any other sporting organisation in Ireland.(cue ORMO)

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 28/10/2013 16:10:44    1506776

It would show that the GAA cared about people and organisations that need help.The point about other sporting organisations is a red
herring as they are proffessional and have to pay players.All I am saying is that the GAA doesnt care about fans.Whereas the players
obviously care about the game as they play for free.The point is the GAA was not like this years ago.It is the GAAs prerogative to seek to make massive profits but it is detrimental to its image in my opinion.

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1702 - 28/10/2013 16:23:23    1506781

REDANDBLACK30
County: Down
Posts: 44

1506781 It would show that the GAA cared about people and organisations that need help.The point about other sporting organisations is a red
herring as they are proffessional and have to pay players.All I am saying is that the GAA doesnt care about fans.Whereas the players
obviously care about the game as they play for free.The point is the GAA was not like this years ago.It is the GAAs prerogative to seek to make massive profits but it is detrimental to its image in my opinion.

Fairly sweeping statement, every organisation whether professional or amateur has outgoings some higher than others so its not a red herring, im not defending everything the Gaa does, obviously there are things we all have gripes about, but they are moving with the times .as regards trying different days for fixtures, some will work some wont. Money is also needed for promotion to compete against other sports.
after a donation to charity to help in your opinion their image , what would you like them to do next.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 28/10/2013 16:44:27    1506789

REDANDBLACK30
County: Down
Posts: 44

1504977 Flack where is all the money going? millions of Euros.
The officials of the GAA have been influenced by money,
that is a fact.GAA is still better than other sports
where both the officials and players have been influenced
by money.Is that not a fair assessment?

86 percent of 50 odd million goes back to grassroots and 14 percent to admistration costs.
Gaa doesn't get money from outside Ireland like . fai do from uefa and irfu get from 6 nations.
It has to look after its self and does a very good job making sure grassroots are looked after.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 28/10/2013 17:18:16    1506800

Ath Cliath I am not saying the GAA does not have to have a certain
level of money or that everything it does is wrong either.Im just
saying when players are volunteering their time for free it has to
be seen to behave more ethically so that everyone can afford to go
to as many matches as possible and as such there is a better
atmosphere.If it donated some money to charity and made a slight
reduction in prices, 3-5 euro off every ticket I would be happy
with that.Also the GAA should be paying for new grounds across
the country for any counties/clubs who need them and not
expecting them to fund themselves?

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1702 - 29/10/2013 12:09:09    1506968

Money is more important to the GAA hierarchy. Definitely. The reason for the emergence of the county team as the one true god of the GAA is totally down to money. Where has the club been for the last 20 years? Getting further and further marginalised. Ticket prices to many club games are ridiculous. Scheduling of games, intercounty players barely being seen in their own club, more and more county games. It's all for money. The bread and butter of the GAA is the CLUB. Is this money that is being generated going to clubs? Is it providing grassroots coaches, referees, more games, more organisation? No it isn't. Club players sit around all year knowing they may get a weeks notice to play a championship game. It's not good enough.

icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2575 - 29/10/2013 13:54:06    1507023

JayP
I read the title of the post.....and said I wonder how many posts would I would read before a certain poster mentioned Dublin and population and finances!
Let it go will you.......people have taken apart that argument time after time when you repeatedly post it.
You hate Dublin....we get it!

The argument has been taken apart! Do you actually believe that? Are you trying to fool everyone else or just yourself? Open your eyes...

What you are actually saying here is that you realised, upon reading the title of the thread, that the advantages dublin get for the sake of money over fairness are relevant to this argument...

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 29/10/2013 13:54:20    1507025

No Harm in making money, its all about what you do with it. GAA to give 5m to charity? why not 10m? Just to show they care about people?
The GAA's stated Ethos is:
that players of GAA games are not paid for playing for a team;
that the GAA functions essentially on the basis of the voluntary efforts of its members;
that the GAA is a not-for-profit organisation - the revenues received are used exclusively for the development of its games and for the administration of its activities.

The GAA are a charity.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4954 - 29/10/2013 15:23:36    1507072

Thats fair enough arock- if the GAA are doing
well good luck to them but they should be
building grounds up and down the country
for clubs and counties and yet the expect
clubs to have raffles/ lotto tickets to pay
for this?

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1702 - 29/10/2013 15:41:48    1507084

Themaster you're in no positon to talk about advantages

When your own county while being in massive debt paid 500,000 on ONE team...

How much did Leitrim / Roscommon / London... spend on their senior football set-up in 2013?

Would it be more or less than 500,000?

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 29/10/2013 20:31:45    1507260

Advantages are all relative.

Every county has certain advantages over other counties.

In such a structure someone will always sit on top, while someone else will sit on the bottom

Mayo would be very high on the advantage list...

Very few counties spent or would be in a position to spend 500,000 on ONE team in 2013...

Especially counties who are supposedly up to their necks in debt

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 29/10/2013 20:48:57    1507266

As many posters have pointed out to TheMaster.......more money doesn't equate to more success.

Mayo are overfunded in producing one Senior Team in one code. A massive emphasis on Mayo football.

Dublin fielding competitive teams in two codes at all age grades. Massive infrastructure to fund and you are complaining about DCB negotiating great deals?

Mayo most funded team out West competing in one code and given the Lions share of tickets for the All Ireland Final........and they lost.

Throw your excuses into a hat and pick one!

Dublin don't get to choose where they play.......redundant argument. Surely having no money is of no benefit to anybody in the GAA .

Lets make Dublin play all their home games in front of an away crowd......on Valentia and they shouldn't use footballs in training. And all money they negotiate for should be given to.........Leitriim.

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 29/10/2013 21:28:34    1507285

Lads, can you tell me what is unfair about a county getting a loan and paying it back out of their own pocket? That is what the thread is about, so please indicate why mayo can do that while others cannot, whihc therefore makes it unfair? Surely that is fairer than say a 7 million hand out from the now disgraced taoiseach berie ahern? Tax payers money from all over the country I might add. A handout to 'make Dublin what it should be - the greatest GAA county in Ireland.' When do everyone else get their 7 million handout? Spending half a million of our own money on our own team is our own business (we still spent less than dublin this year). You are using money gathered from the rest of the country.

link

Maybe we should all be celebrating these all ireland wins for dublin? After all, we paid for them.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 30/10/2013 09:57:02    1507311

Oh dear if we have to go back to Bertie then we are at the bottom of the barrel , and yes you are allowed to rejoice in our success as it may be the only celebrating you get to do .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 30/10/2013 10:26:48    1507316

The Master:

Just note the date on the article:
"€7m Dublin development plan launched - 30/11/2004"

First of all it was a Joint initiative by the Dublin County Board, the GAA and the Leinster Council. Bertie launched it, he launched a lot of things, but he paid for none of them, not even with tax payers money. With approx 24% of the country's population in Dublin where else can the GAA invest in to try and get more into the games into playing the sport and becoming paying customers?

Vast tracts of deveopments around the City still have no clubs, no infrastructure worth speaking off and are under represented. This was a development project to get more people playing GAA games, it just happened to be in Dublin.
So how would the Dublin GAA be expected to do that on their own resources?

I just think the sheer scale and size of Dublin in relation to the rest of the country is quite beyond most outsiders to comprehend. These type of investments are not just one off investments. People have to keep going into schools, providing coaches, providing and upgrading infrastructure to keep it going.
Take Ballymun pop approx 25,000 is served by 2 clubs, one male only and largely one code) and the other a hurling/camogie only club. Neither would have bulging numbers nor the financial means to tap into that population, the result is fewer proportionally playing GAA from this area. The new area of Charlestown for instance, a model for Erin's Isle to recruit into. It has no school, no infrastructure, no community does the GAA just write areas like that off the map? Can it afford to?
So whose responsibility is it to get people playing GAA in these areas? I would assume its the GAA first, the DCB second and lastly the clubs. The Govt has a responsibility too to ensure the entire population is healthy not just those who can pay for it.
Dublin is still hugely underdeveloped in terms of GAA participation and that requires huge financial and human resources. Thats what that initiative was solely about, not paying for a single adult Football team to indulge themselves.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4954 - 30/10/2013 11:12:35    1507334

Themaster the GAA were 100% correct in working with Dublin GAA / Leinster Council to grow games in Dublin

It only makes sense with such a large population

Made up of people from all over the country mind...

That's almost 10 years ago now.. that money is long gone but what a success it's been...!

GAA participation is up hugely, more members, more kids playing, more people directly employed

And all in both codes... it's been a massive promotional success for our sports

It takes a certain mind to construed such a constructive incentive as a "hand out"

It's never been more important to have a strong GAA presence in Dublin

Rural Ireland is on it's knees, clubs are closing down, populations are dwindling in certain areas and there has been a lot of country people moving to Dublin since 2004 whose children have benefited greatly from this incentive.

This 7 million was money very well spent indeed. What a success...

I mean Kerry are spending close to 6 million on a center of excellence over the coming years...

Whats the population of Kerry? How many people from all over Ireland live there...?

At the end of the day... Money doesn't guarantee success... look at Mayo...

It takes a hell of a lot of hard work on top of it... and that's what's been done in Dublin.

There have been many country people involved in clubs that have contributed greatly to that... especially in the hurling.

I understand that it must be frustrating to sit back and see the way GAA in Dublin has expanded but it's very important that it's maintained, and on the back of the 2004 injection and the massive success of that investment.

I would expect more to come. It's perfectly logical to do so...

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 30/10/2013 11:25:44    1507337

So that's why Mayo lost this year. And last year - how much did Donegal get to stop Sam making the journey west?

opa01 (Cavan) - Posts: 520 - 30/10/2013 11:34:29    1507345

opa01
County: Cavan
Posts: 247

1507345
So that's why Mayo lost this year. And last year - how much did Donegal get to stop Sam making the journey west?

What about the other 5 finals? ;)

Listen I can see where themaster is coming from...

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 30/10/2013 11:48:40    1507350

Just wanna point out......

His argument was taken apart.....AGAIN

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 30/10/2013 12:08:17    1507357