Bottom line is... that shouldn't be the cost of running one team by a county board who are hugely in debt.

That's a recipe for disaster.

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 23/10/2013 15:45:18    1504981

Also, 'having your cake and eating it'. Surely that is the very definition of getting a loan in the first place? You get a loan, pay it back in installments over a period of time in a manner that doesnt inhibit your ability to continue to do what you were doing as much as possible. That is the whole point of the loan system.

My point is, when county teams are the reason the gaa is doing so well, surely this kind of unavoidable cost is something they should be helping them with in return, instead of forcing the down this austerity route, where they have to pinch pennies and lumber clubs, most of whom have their own issues, with bringing in money? But dont let common sense get in the way of your issues with counties trying to compete.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 23/10/2013 15:47:05    1504986

Mayo CB shouldn't be spending 500,000 on one team when they have massive debts

If it means cut backs then so be it

They have already gone back to the banks to negotiate the terms on their loans

Surely it would have been far more beneficial to make cut backs

If it means spending 250,000 instead of 500,000 then so be it... it's probably still way above what most others counties could afford

But that's how things work... if you run up massive debts you shouldn't be living the high life

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 23/10/2013 16:11:50    1505015

How is it a recipe for disaster? We got the loan, we make the payments on that loan as planned and that is that. We havent missed payments while funding our teams to compete across the various levels where they have excelled. Do you not understand how loans work?

Also, you didnt answer the questiona bout dublin redeveloping parnell park.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 23/10/2013 16:16:46    1505018

23/10/2013 11:33:40
REDANDBLACK30
Is the GAAs motivation to maximise profits undermining the amateur status of the game? Will the players, who are a credit in the amount of hours they are giving to the game voluntarily, finally decide that they should be making money out of the game too? This would be a disaster for the GAA?
The Amateur staus of the GAA is not being undermined. The top players who are the money earners for the GAA already in the main receive many benefits in kind from their association with the GAA and while I think professionalism would be possible it would require radical change to the GAA and im not sure enough people would be willing for such changes to occur.
What of the GAA seeking profits like any sporting body is undermining the amateur status of the game?
PS REDANDBLACK30 why in all your posts have you not used full line of forum to post. way easier if you keep to full page instead of posts like below
23/10/2013 12:40:27
REDANDBLACK30
No county board should be in financial deficit
considering the huge, not transparent profits the
GAA. I have no problem with the GAA making money
but the level of profits are too high and should
be capped.Meanwhile the average GAA is sacrificing
4/5 nights a week of their own time. There will
come a time when they say enough is enough?
In an ideal world no county board would be in deficit but that's not possible. How are profits too high and surely more profit means more investment into all levels of the association which means more help to anyone who needs it. Win-win-win-win-win
After profits in your hypothetical scenario are capped where would the money go that was over the cap?

23/10/2013 12:41:59 jpcampion
The amount of money the GAA generates is a pittance compared to the amount required to pay players to play. Ireland is too small and there are too many players in both codes to afford pay for play. The best chance is that some of the most high profile will do a lot of commercial work to supplement their normal jobs. Like at the moment. TV brings in most of the money to pro sports and we cant demand the same levels of coverage as other international sports.
Maybe if we tiered the championships into leagues and acceted that some counties will alays be amateur while some would pay players to play that might be what some people want but as a whole the GAA will not accept that and rightly so. It would kill the best part of our games which is the local pride and passion.
I agree and disagree. Gaelic Football could support a significant number of professional teams while Hurling could support only the top tier.
Pay for play could exist but radical changes to competition structure and tv coverage and a multitude of other situations would be required. Players could be given jobs as county board development officers, etc to provide work as well and help them continue to give back like they currently do

REDANDBLACK30
Gaillimh three all Ireland finals 15 million euros. if a tenth of this money is reinvested. id be surprised.Nothing to do with being cynical its reality that money is the priority of GAA officials.The pount was if they players ever take this approach it would be a
diasaster for the GAA.
really I think well over a tenth of this supposed 15 million €€€s is reinvested in all aspects of the GAA. Where else would it be going to.
Money is not the priority of GAA officals the development and betterment of the sports and the association are the priority

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 23/10/2013 16:51:18    1505049

redandblack30

you talk about money like the gaa have it growing on trees,remember there is a lot that needs to be payed in an amature organisation.
just because players dont get paid those not mean that they dont have to run their ship to the same costs as other sports.
gaelic games supplies 42% of all volunteers in the recreational sport sector in ireland.
yet for example croke parks yearly rates have seen an enormous hike in the budget.
from €528,000 to €2.112 million.

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 23/10/2013 16:52:00    1505050

23/10/2013 13:32:59
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Fair play to the players for upholding the spirit and ethos of the organisation hopefully they wont be influenced by money too.

I presume you're referring to intercounty players, and I further presume that this is cutting satire...

an tseabhac (Kerry) - Posts: 441 - 23/10/2013 16:54:03    1505054

23/10/2013 14:24:27
REDANDBLACK30
I have no problem with the GAA making money the point is now that they never seem to get enough and it is distasteful. People are being priced out of attending matches while Croke Park has pots of gold.
What exactly has been distasteful? what pots of gold?
The GAA needs money to run itself at its current levels and you never know when things are going to turn very bad so money always needs to be coming in.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 23/10/2013 16:55:33    1505057

redandblack

all ireland finals apart i dont think anybody could complain of the price of inter county tickets there compare favouribly to the other sports bodys prices

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 23/10/2013 19:16:07    1505154

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all ireland finals apart i dont think anybody could complain of the price of inter county tickets there compare favouribly to the other sports bodys prices

are these other sports bodies professional or amateur?

kerryluck (Kerry) - Posts: 2517 - 23/10/2013 19:20:30    1505157

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all ireland finals apart i dont think anybody could complain of the price of inter county tickets there compare favouribly to the other sports bodys prices

are these other sports bodies professional or amateur?

why does that matter?

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 23/10/2013 19:25:23    1505162

REDANDBLACK30
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1504909 Gaillimh three all Ireland finals 15 million
euros. if a tenth of this money is reinvested
id be surprised.
And what exactly do you think the GAA is doing with that money? Do you have a shred of evidence of any wrongdoing or misappropriation of funds? Also, are you suggesting that that there is something wrong about charging admission to a replay? The GAA is a massive organisation with thousands of clubs and hundreds of thousands of members. It costs a lot of money to keep everything going and there are only a handful of games in the year that bring in the big gate receipts that you allude to. Everyone who attended the hurling final draw or replay got excellent value for money. The GAA could easily increase the ticket prices for all-Ireland finals significantly and still be confident of selling out - this is exactly what would happen in any of the major league sports in North America where money is all that matters and fans are shamelessly gouged at every opportunity. I have been listening to people like you whine about the supposed greed of the GAA for the last 30 years and I know that no amount of plain facts or clear evidence will ever change your mind. Good luck to you.

Gaillimh_Abu (Galway) - Posts: 1034 - 23/10/2013 19:28:13    1505165

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all ireland finals apart i dont think anybody could complain of the price of inter county tickets there compare favouribly to the other sports bodys prices

are these other sports bodies professional or amateur?

why does that matter?


you would expect to pay more for a professional game?

kerryluck (Kerry) - Posts: 2517 - 23/10/2013 19:46:00    1505177

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all ireland finals apart i dont think anybody could complain of the price of inter county tickets there compare favouribly to the other sports bodys prices

are these other sports bodies professional or amateur?

why does that matter?


you would expect to pay more for a professional game?

why becuase the player gets paid on the pitch means you would pay more money for your ticket? seems weird to me.
if anything if i was a tourist over and wanted to view a sports match in dublin while i was here and seen three events on that weekend.A leinster rugby match in the rds,a dublin football match in croke park and a bohemians match in dalymount and compared prices i would be expecting to pay more into the dublin match as croke park is by far the best facilities and the most high profile of the 3 sporting teams

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 23/10/2013 20:09:17    1505195

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all ireland finals apart i dont think anybody could complain of the price of inter county tickets there compare favouribly to the other sports bodys prices

are these other sports bodies professional or amateur?

why does that matter?


you would expect to pay more for a professional game?

why becuase the player gets paid on the pitch means you would pay more money for your ticket? seems weird to me.
if anything if i was a tourist over and wanted to view a sports match in dublin while i was here and seen three events on that weekend.A leinster rugby match in the rds,a dublin football match in croke park and a bohemians match in dalymount and compared prices i would be expecting to pay more into the dublin match as croke park is by far the best facilities and the most high profile of the 3 sporting teams

professional sports have higher expenses? if thats not true the gaa are wasting a lot of money somewhere

kerryluck (Kerry) - Posts: 2517 - 23/10/2013 20:33:32    1505210

kerryluck

the gaa built the third largest sports stadium in europe,
they also built 9 of the top 10 largest stadiums in ireland.
they are currently planning to renovate and build two stadiums in cork and antrim to hold over 40 thousand
certainly costs money to do this

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 23/10/2013 21:13:06    1505234

Most clubs are forking out 6 - 10 grand on trainer/physio/ etc a year. This can be 60 lotto tickets a week a year. Huge tracks of county board income in turn goes on "expenses" to managers and thr support team. This is a huge strain and counties are putting themselves into debt partly to keep this rat race going. Whole area needs looking at again. What would an intercounty manager pullout of s county a year? 30g? Put that in by 2 for both codes and over ten yrs it starts to run into a serious bill. Would build a fair stand!

old yellar (None) - Posts: 2631 - 23/10/2013 21:22:07    1505239

Instead of slagging off the GAA for making money, wed be better off slagging off clubs up and down the country who are plunging themselves into debt paying for statisticians, psychologists, mentors, fortune tellers, psychics etc.
The more money the GAA gets, the more that can be put back into the development of the game. The GAA gets such criticism when it comes to this kind of thing, youd swear that Man Utd, Leinster rugby, the Denver Broncos etc. are non profit charities.

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 26/10/2013 18:46:45    1506277

Point taken on the lines Ormond Bannerman i will try to write to full lines from now on.If the GAA made 25 million euro profit this
year as a conservative estimate, whats to stop them giving 5 million euro at least to charity? This is not a whinge as some people have said but a general appeal for the GAA to set a better example. It is a great organisation but the pursuit of money is not good
for its image.Meanwhile the players of Armagh and Down and other counties will lose out on money playing on a Friday night- how does
the GAA expect such sacrifices when its objective is making as much money as possible?

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1702 - 28/10/2013 10:19:29    1506656

Sorry about the lines I did write fully across on that last post?

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1702 - 28/10/2013 10:26:13    1506659