No I meant the Colm Cooper example you gave MesAmis.

If you look at the choices for 1-3 I'd say the overwhelming majority of them were people from Mayo and Dublin picking players from Mayo and Dublin respectively. This can't be a good process no matter what way you slice it or dice it.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12408 - 07/10/2013 14:30:17    1497115

clondalkindub
County: Dublin
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1497010 The Roc not in the team what a joke but just to show I don't vote for my own my next vote is for Walshe of Monaghan great year from him.

Hahaha, entirely coincidental that as good as Cooper is, you can't really make a case for him above Walshe or Barrett this year

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12408 - 07/10/2013 14:31:59    1497119

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No I meant the Colm Cooper example you gave MesAmis.

If you look at the choices for 1-3 I'd say the overwhelming majority of them were people from Mayo and Dublin picking players from Mayo and Dublin respectively. This can't be a good process no matter what way you slice it or dice it.

So to use my 2 examples then Breff - Cluxton and O'Carroll. What's wrong with someone thinking that they may have had good years? Irrespective of where the poster came from. If you had made your complaints when people had being nominating or voting for players from their counties that had had awful years then you'd have a point. However you complained after only 3 positions where none of the nominations or picks were outlandishly biased.

Your process has people voting for players that they don't think are good enough.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13819 - 07/10/2013 14:38:19    1497126

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1497126 Breffni39
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No I meant the Colm Cooper example you gave MesAmis.

If you look at the choices for 1-3 I'd say the overwhelming majority of them were people from Mayo and Dublin picking players from Mayo and Dublin respectively. This can't be a good process no matter what way you slice it or dice it.

So to use my 2 examples then Breff - Cluxton and O'Carroll. What's wrong with someone thinking that they may have had good years? Irrespective of where the poster came from. If you had made your complaints when people had being nominating or voting for players from their counties that had had awful years then you'd have a point. However you complained after only 3 positions where none of the nominations or picks were outlandishly biased.

No I "complained" at the start when voting for Cluxton, page 2

Your process has people voting for players that they don't think are good enough.

"My" process has people picking from 4 of the best players in their positions with any potential for home bias removed. do you think in every position all but one player is not good enough?

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12408 - 07/10/2013 14:51:10    1497138

Breff

So it was after the voting for Cluxton that you saw that the Dubs posters were being ridiculously biased?

Dublin and Mayo posters should be entitled to vote for whoever they feel wad the best. Not whoever they feel was the best minus Dublin/Mayo players.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13819 - 07/10/2013 15:05:43    1497150

Breff I went for Higgins in the other corner my team has no bias in it whatsoever. Any other county that won the league then walked to a Leinster title then won the all Ireland by beating Cork Kerry and Mayo would have at least 10 players on the all star team but because were Dublin that will never happen.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 07/10/2013 15:13:47    1497161

Colin Walshe

gaelicgab (USA) - Posts: 878 - 07/10/2013 15:27:42    1497175

MesAmis
County: Dublin
Posts: 6495

1497150 Breff

So it was after the voting for Cluxton that you saw that the Dubs posters were being ridiculously biased?

No, where are you getting this from? Can't understand how I'm getting so much grief for suggesting a fairer way of voting? I used Dublin as an example, I used myself as an example, I used Mayo fans as an example too.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12408 - 07/10/2013 15:30:35    1497182

Breff

You said that the voting was biased after, or even as, a Cluxton was voted for.

I fail to see how you could see that the whole team was going to be biased at that point. I doubt it would've ended up as 15 Dubs/Mayo as you fear.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13819 - 07/10/2013 15:53:42    1497206

Also Breffni you say that looking back on positions 1-3 it was mainly Dub/Mayo posters picking their players.

Dublin and Mayo (All-Ireland finalists) are quite strong in those positions too so it's no surprise that those players got the votes.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13819 - 07/10/2013 15:56:41    1497211

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1497211 Also Breffni you say that looking back on positions 1-3 it was mainly Dub/Mayo posters picking their players.

Dublin and Mayo (All-Ireland finalists) are quite strong in those positions too so it's no surprise that those players got the votes.

And they will get, and have got, votes from neutrals so everyones a winner.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12408 - 07/10/2013 16:00:55    1497219

No contest-Colin Walshe.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6181 - 07/10/2013 16:13:56    1497227

Keith Higgins

Gael85 (Dublin) - Posts: 1433 - 07/10/2013 16:24:17    1497241

Breff

Sure we'll see. Still don't see the harm in people voting for their county players. We won't fall out over it anyways.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13819 - 07/10/2013 16:34:16    1497258

Chris Barrett

maxitwist (Kildare) - Posts: 144 - 07/10/2013 20:03:54    1497423

Whole process is flawed. This is a Player of the YEAR selection yet how many people have seen counties other than their own playing league matches for example and can definitively say that player X in county Y had a great year, on the back of maybe seeing that county playing in one or two championship games? Bit silly really.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4746 - 07/10/2013 20:14:22    1497431

I wanted Colin Walshe and Chrissy Barrett as my corner backs but sadly that's not gonna happen. I'm giving it to Barrett, excellent as a defender and showed his attacking ability at a crucial time v Tyrone. However at this rate we'll end up with 5 Mayo backs which will be a bit of a farce. I mean Barrett, Keegan and Boyle are all justifiable selections but Cafferky is a marginal one and Cunniffe is no way an All Star.

roundball (Tipperary) - Posts: 2514 - 07/10/2013 20:50:35    1497459

Chris Barrett

Pukefootball (Monaghan) - Posts: 377 - 07/10/2013 20:58:57    1497467

colin walsh (Monaghan's best player since Tom McBride and a better singer to boot).

beal (Mayo) - Posts: 1388 - 07/10/2013 21:06:17    1497470

clondalkindub
County: Dublin
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Breff I went for Higgins in the other corner my team has no bias in it whatsoever. Any other county that won the league then walked to a Leinster title then won the all Ireland by beating Cork Kerry and Mayo would have at least 10 players on the all star team but because were Dublin that will never happen.

Nonsense. You won the League and Leinster fair enough, but you scraped past Mayo who also had a great championship by 1 point. To suggest that you deserve 10 All Stars with Gooch, Cavanagh and 2 or 3 Mayo men is complete BS. Kerry played scintillating football at times, Mayo were very impressive, Monaghan, Tyrone and Cavan all had good individual displays from players.

Ye're not the all conquering force ye think ye are, come back when ye've matched Killkenny's dominance in hurling before ye start asking for 10 All Stars.

roundball (Tipperary) - Posts: 2514 - 07/10/2013 21:07:14    1497471