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Replying To Saynothing: "Who cares?" Me and more - it's obvious.
omahant (USA) - Posts: 3227 - 12/04/2025 22:47:35
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Replying To foreveryoung: "The young fellows! They'll now have the chance of making a few pounds while running around the field after a ball! The shape of the ball is irrelevant." Australia uses Dollars
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2274 - 12/04/2025 23:49:46
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New team joining the Australian league in a few years I believe, Tasmania. What's the chances the reintroduction of this event coincides with recruitment for that team
boxtyburgerbuns (Leitrim) - Posts: 248 - 13/04/2025 11:24:28
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The big problem we have in the GAA is recruitment. We can say it is minor. but a few of the recruits have probably impacted where All Irelands have ended up. Setanta, Pearse Hanley, Mark O'Connor. The loss of Setanta cost Cork their greatest marketing tool ever and a fortune in gate receipts as well as their marquee forward. Imaging if they had got David Clifford, what a blow that would have been to Kerry and the GAA in general.
The LGFA was booming before they were stripped of their top players. Meath Ladies were attracting huge crowds and really capturing the imagination for the girls in the county. Perfect storm there with the AFLW being new and very weak, our girls could walk on to teams.
You lose players to every sport but there is something more sickening about losing them to an organization that puts nothing in to their development and then cherry picks the almost finished article.
All that said I like the international rules and more importantly players like it. With the All Ireland Series wrapped up so early it could be a great marketing tool for the GAA.
Sport has become very event orientated you can see that with rugby. Thomond park 3/4 empty for important league games but they could sell out the Pairc for Munster B vs South Africa C. This is an event that would draw a crowd.
What could the AFL do to reassure the GAA on recruitment? A guarentee that if any player who participates in the Series signs for an AFL team in the next 3 years. AFL or AFL club pay 1 million to the GAA club / county of the player. That might do it!
dahayeser (Cork) - Posts: 366 - 15/04/2025 12:24:16
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Replying To dahayeser: "The big problem we have in the GAA is recruitment. We can say it is minor. but a few of the recruits have probably impacted where All Irelands have ended up. Setanta, Pearse Hanley, Mark O'Connor. The loss of Setanta cost Cork their greatest marketing tool ever and a fortune in gate receipts as well as their marquee forward. Imaging if they had got David Clifford, what a blow that would have been to Kerry and the GAA in general.
The LGFA was booming before they were stripped of their top players. Meath Ladies were attracting huge crowds and really capturing the imagination for the girls in the county. Perfect storm there with the AFLW being new and very weak, our girls could walk on to teams.
You lose players to every sport but there is something more sickening about losing them to an organization that puts nothing in to their development and then cherry picks the almost finished article.
All that said I like the international rules and more importantly players like it. With the All Ireland Series wrapped up so early it could be a great marketing tool for the GAA.
Sport has become very event orientated you can see that with rugby. Thomond park 3/4 empty for important league games but they could sell out the Pairc for Munster B vs South Africa C. This is an event that would draw a crowd.
What could the AFL do to reassure the GAA on recruitment? A guarentee that if any player who participates in the Series signs for an AFL team in the next 3 years. AFL or AFL club pay 1 million to the GAA club / county of the player. That might do it!" The AFL, or any other sport, currently owes the GAA nothing if they recruit players. Yer own Jake O'Brien, U14 All Ireland hurling championship winner and a talented boxer too, is playing well for Everton. Cork GAA didn't ask Cork City for compensation because he wasn't under contract. Maybe if GAA players get paid they'd be some right to look for compensation. But probably only in cases of a youths player in one club going to an adult club in the same sport that they'd have an add on clause for future transfers. I'd like to see some goodwill from the AFL and compensate clubs rather than counties but it's probably too much to hope for.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7927 - 15/04/2025 12:56:23
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Replying To dahayeser: "The big problem we have in the GAA is recruitment. We can say it is minor. but a few of the recruits have probably impacted where All Irelands have ended up. Setanta, Pearse Hanley, Mark O'Connor. The loss of Setanta cost Cork their greatest marketing tool ever and a fortune in gate receipts as well as their marquee forward. Imaging if they had got David Clifford, what a blow that would have been to Kerry and the GAA in general.
The LGFA was booming before they were stripped of their top players. Meath Ladies were attracting huge crowds and really capturing the imagination for the girls in the county. Perfect storm there with the AFLW being new and very weak, our girls could walk on to teams.
You lose players to every sport but there is something more sickening about losing them to an organization that puts nothing in to their development and then cherry picks the almost finished article.
All that said I like the international rules and more importantly players like it. With the All Ireland Series wrapped up so early it could be a great marketing tool for the GAA.
Sport has become very event orientated you can see that with rugby. Thomond park 3/4 empty for important league games but they could sell out the Pairc for Munster B vs South Africa C. This is an event that would draw a crowd.
What could the AFL do to reassure the GAA on recruitment? A guarentee that if any player who participates in the Series signs for an AFL team in the next 3 years. AFL or AFL club pay 1 million to the GAA club / county of the player. That might do it!" Any money the AFL would give to the GAA for signing an amateur player would of course be voluntary.
Best hope is to tie it into a return of the International Rules (male and female)
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2274 - 15/04/2025 13:03:00
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Replying To dahayeser: "The big problem we have in the GAA is recruitment. We can say it is minor. but a few of the recruits have probably impacted where All Irelands have ended up. Setanta, Pearse Hanley, Mark O'Connor. The loss of Setanta cost Cork their greatest marketing tool ever and a fortune in gate receipts as well as their marquee forward. Imaging if they had got David Clifford, what a blow that would have been to Kerry and the GAA in general.
The LGFA was booming before they were stripped of their top players. Meath Ladies were attracting huge crowds and really capturing the imagination for the girls in the county. Perfect storm there with the AFLW being new and very weak, our girls could walk on to teams.
You lose players to every sport but there is something more sickening about losing them to an organization that puts nothing in to their development and then cherry picks the almost finished article.
All that said I like the international rules and more importantly players like it. With the All Ireland Series wrapped up so early it could be a great marketing tool for the GAA.
Sport has become very event orientated you can see that with rugby. Thomond park 3/4 empty for important league games but they could sell out the Pairc for Munster B vs South Africa C. This is an event that would draw a crowd.
What could the AFL do to reassure the GAA on recruitment? A guarentee that if any player who participates in the Series signs for an AFL team in the next 3 years. AFL or AFL club pay 1 million to the GAA club / county of the player. That might do it!" Love the way you seem to think of players as commodities.
Also loads more good GAA players go to Australia for other jobs other than AFL.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15557 - 15/04/2025 14:08:48
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Replying To GreenandRed: "The AFL, or any other sport, currently owes the GAA nothing if they recruit players. Yer own Jake O'Brien, U14 All Ireland hurling championship winner and a talented boxer too, is playing well for Everton. Cork GAA didn't ask Cork City for compensation because he wasn't under contract. Maybe if GAA players get paid they'd be some right to look for compensation. But probably only in cases of a youths player in one club going to an adult club in the same sport that they'd have an add on clause for future transfers. I'd like to see some goodwill from the AFL and compensate clubs rather than counties but it's probably too much to hope for." Correct but if the AFL the international rules back but it's return could have a negative impact on the GAA. Then the AFL need to come up with something that makes it worth while to the GAA.
Losing Setanta was a negative to the GAA, if David Clifford had been recruited that would have had a huge negative impact.
Talented GAA players who go the rugby, soccer, boxing route happen all the time. GAA volunteers don't produce ready made players for the top level of these sports though. They do how ever produce close to the finished article for the AFL who cherry pick. If you have your GAA hat on it's not something you'd like to encourage.
dahayeser (Cork) - Posts: 366 - 15/04/2025 15:10:00
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Replying To Viking66: "Love the way you seem to think of players as commodities.
Also loads more good GAA players go to Australia for other jobs other than AFL." True, loads of players won there but a whole county gets excited about a prospect like Setanta or David Clifford coming through. It is huge for the promotion of out games.
You are probably looking at this from the point of view of general sports fan, what you'd like to watch or what the players would like to play but you have to look at it as if you are the GAA.
You are not thinking wouldn't it be lovely for David Clifford to get a chance to play professional sport. Sure what harm if it encourages more AFL recruitment don't the lads deserve a chance, great lifestyle down there. No, that would be bad for us as an organization.
Your one goal would be the betterment of your own organization, just like if it was your company and you were in business. There is no harm in that.
The GAA just need to decide what makes the international rules a good thing for our organization and put that to the AFL.
dahayeser (Cork) - Posts: 366 - 15/04/2025 15:26:12
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Replying To dahayeser: "True, loads of players won there but a whole county gets excited about a prospect like Setanta or David Clifford coming through. It is huge for the promotion of out games.
You are probably looking at this from the point of view of general sports fan, what you'd like to watch or what the players would like to play but you have to look at it as if you are the GAA.
You are not thinking wouldn't it be lovely for David Clifford to get a chance to play professional sport. Sure what harm if it encourages more AFL recruitment don't the lads deserve a chance, great lifestyle down there. No, that would be bad for us as an organization.
Your one goal would be the betterment of your own organization, just like if it was your company and you were in business. There is no harm in that.
The GAA just need to decide what makes the international rules a good thing for our organization and put that to the AFL." The whole idea of Pofessional athletes playing against amateur athletes in a ba$tardised sport seems pretty pointless anyway, apart from being a nice little jolly for the visiting team and a break to the far side of the world.
Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2282 - 17/04/2025 13:47:19
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Replying To Bon: "The whole idea of Pofessional athletes playing against amateur athletes in a ba$tardised sport seems pretty pointless anyway, apart from being a nice little jolly for the visiting team and a break to the far side of the world." If you don't have the recruitment issue for the GAA, the players want it and the rules are defined to remove some of the physicality. I wouldn't have a problem with it. The GAA lads have competed very well overs the years.
Lots of propaganda from the aussies that the rules are heavily weighted in the Irish lads favour but in reality everything to do with possession of the ball is from their game, tackle, marks etc, very counter intuitive for a GAA player.
I can't say it wouldn't have been interesting to see how an Irish team back boned by the Dubs at their peak would have coped against the best of the AFL
dahayeser (Cork) - Posts: 366 - 18/04/2025 13:11:26
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The split season has opened up the possibility of these fixtures again.
Most intercounty players are out of their club championships by the end of September - and the AFL season ends then also.
So it would be easy for both sides to pull together a good squad for a series in Mid October.
The rules would likely be different, especially if the GAA wanted some of the new dissent/fair play rules.
The key to the matches was the venue - in Ireland, the best atmosphere was at regional grounds - less so in Croke Park.
In OZ, the biggest crowds turned up wherever their was an Irish community. A fair few people timed their year down under to pick up those matches.
The 2003 series in Oz was a sell out as it was close to the rugby world cup and all backpackers arriving home in 2003 stayed for the rugby and all people heading out for 2004, went out early to be there for that.
I'd say the Aussies want the international rules to restart next year so as to keep themselves relevant due to the rugby world cup back in OZ again in 2027, as well as the rugby league world cup in 2026 (both in November).
Aussies will send their best players over next year - match in Cork and Dublin
Ireland will send a strong team over in 2027 (most of the players will want to hang on for some of the rugby world cup also). matches to be played depending on where Ireland are playing in the RWC.
They might even go for a 3 test series in 2027.
The poor Irish backpackers will have a lot of fruit to pick to be able to go to 3 international rules and 4 Irish rugby matches in two months.
tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1349 - 29/04/2025 10:15:08
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