When you play the game in the positive way Dublin do you get credits - its not nice to see players pulling lads down like that late on but I'm sure like every competitive team out there - that's what they're told to do.. If Mayo were at anything yesterday it would have been the other way around late one..

Tyrone didn't do any different in recent games but the cynical nature in which the play the game brings allot of frustration to GAA folk and hence a skewed analysis.

I'd loved to have seen Mayo do the business yesterday - been beaten by this Dublin team makes it very easy to take. If it was Tyrone however that beat Mayo yesterday I probably wouldn't be able to watch another football match till 2014

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1468 - 23/09/2013 12:52:33    1487362

Just to balance things up on this thread. Mayo were by no means innocents when it came to cynical stuff yesterday, In fact I would say they were too pre-occupied with it at certain stages and it may have cost them.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12321 - 23/09/2013 12:57:14    1487370

the big difference between dublin and tyrone is tyrone foul all the time and in every game dublin dont they may have done some pulling or whatever but payback for last year when mayo lay on the ground for 25min of a game wasting time because they knew they were going to get a mauling if they let dublin play the way they are able to play and to all the anti dublin haters tuff sam is back where he belongs so swallow that

delboydub (Dublin) - Posts: 665 - 23/09/2013 13:17:15    1487400

hurlingdub
County: Dublin
Posts: 5224

1487229 Yes indeed Hillman :-)

Off to get cure and watch again our 24th All Ireland victory.

Reading some of the pathetic begrudging stuff here just makes it all the sweeter.

COYBIB :-)

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Let's say for a minute that it's not people begrudging and instead that they are actually making valid points in relation to the blatent cynicism shown by Dublin yesterday in closing out the game. Where do you stand on it? What's your opinion on the antics of some of the Dublin players in rugby tackling lads to the ground in the last 5 minutes? Do you agree with that type of tactic?

Royalio (Meath) - Posts: 17 - 23/09/2013 13:25:22    1487409

royalio

32 v 12 frees given to mayo
you blatently ignore this.
frees giving for no such fouls to mayo.
balls dragged out of dublin players hands and play let go no free given.
if your going to analyze something you have to do it for both teams.
thats why its pure petty sour grapes from people on here.
mayo won a free over by the hoganstand sideline,then o shea upended a dublin player right in front of linesman cormac reilly yet the ball was not thrown up instead they still let mayo have the free.
if this consistently happens you in a match theres only so much you can take.
so theres two team playing analzye it fair!!

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 23/09/2013 13:32:21    1487419

delboydub
County: Dublin
Posts: 639

1487400
the big difference between dublin and tyrone is tyrone foul all the time and in every game dublin dont they may have done some pulling or whatever but payback for last year when mayo lay on the ground for 25min of a game wasting time because they knew they were going to get a mauling if they let dublin play the way they are able to play and to all the anti dublin haters tuff sam is back where he belongs so swallow that

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Exactly. First pull on a Mayo player was in the 68th min. This isn't like rugby tackling players in on goal 3 weeks in a row or having half-time punch-ups. As for Andy Moran's gestures to the Hill, dear oh dear!

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4742 - 23/09/2013 13:41:11    1487439

Royalio
County: Meath
Posts: 6

1487409 hurlingdub
County: Dublin
Posts: 5224

1487229 Yes indeed Hillman :-)

Off to get cure and watch again our 24th All Ireland victory.

Reading some of the pathetic begrudging stuff here just makes it all the sweeter.

COYBIB :-)

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Let's say for a minute that it's not people begrudging and instead that they are actually making valid points in relation to the blatent cynicism shown by Dublin yesterday in closing out the game. Where do you stand on it? What's your opinion on the antics of some of the Dublin players in rugby tackling lads to the ground in the last 5 minutes? Do you agree with that type of tactic?

There is a valid point being made that ,it wasn't highlighted and discussed in depth like Sean Cavanaghs was. To a degree some ulster posters can feel annoyed.
I would have a problem if the match as a whole was ruined by it, but I have no problem with making sure a player is stopped near the end of the match. to win it, especially when you only have 13 men able to run, we went for it at the end of the Kerry match and got another goal. This is not a tactic we employ, yesterday was getting over the line and I would make no apologies for it, if anything kev mc s tackle was silly looking more than anything else.
if o gara could of ran for the last 15 minutes we would have won by more.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 23/09/2013 13:47:34    1487449

hill16no1man
County: Dublin
Posts: 5866

1487419 royalio

32 v 12 frees given to mayo
you blatently ignore this.
frees giving for no such fouls to mayo.
balls dragged out of dublin players hands and play let go no free given.
if your going to analyze something you have to do it for both teams.
thats why its pure petty sour grapes from people on here.
mayo won a free over by the hoganstand sideline,then o shea upended a dublin player right in front of linesman cormac reilly yet the ball was not thrown up instead they still let mayo have the free.
if this consistently happens you in a match theres only so much you can take.
so theres two team playing analzye it fair!!

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Fair point. I thought the ref was very poor yesterday, he gave bad decisions against both team and quite a few more bad decisions aginst Dublin than Mayo as the free count would show. Disagree about when O'Shea upended the Dublin player, he had just fouled a Mayo player (and it was a foul) and was preventing the Mayo man from getting off the ground to take the free therefore wasting time so O'Shea had good reason to get him out of the way. He could have easily have brought the free forward as thrown the ball up. For the record, I don't think Mayo can have any complaints, they wasted chances, made too many mistakes and only for some outstanding goalkeeping could have shipped easily two more goals.

Now in the interest of fairness, I will direct the same question to you as i did to hurlingdub? Opinion on the cynicism?

Royalio (Meath) - Posts: 17 - 23/09/2013 13:50:24    1487452

I believe sending off the player with no players allowed on to replace him and a 13m free no matter where the foul took place would stop alot of this disgraceful fouling.

Villatown (Leitrim) - Posts: 902 - 23/09/2013 13:57:38    1487468

delboydub
County: Dublin
Posts: 639

1487400 the big difference between dublin and tyrone is tyrone foul all the time and in every game dublin dont they may have done some pulling or whatever but payback for last year when mayo lay on the ground for 25min of a game wasting time because they knew they were going to get a mauling if they let dublin play the way they are able to play and to all the anti dublin haters tuff sam is back where he belongs so swallow that

Tyrone don't foul all the time in every game. You've just won an All-Ireland, no need to be lashing out at other counties

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12321 - 23/09/2013 14:08:59    1487482

Joxer,

Good point about Moran's gestures to the hill after his goal? You have to wonder where his focus was when he did that. I wouldn't mind but the hill was half Mayo!

Condorman (Dublin) - Posts: 983 - 23/09/2013 14:24:39    1487500

have to agree with most things said on here, dublin got nothing from the ref..... well in fact mayo didnt give the ref much oppurtunity to award any frees, but on the other hand they were awarded plenty of very soft looking frees. and i think even the most fervent of dublin supporter would have to admit there was an awful lot of cynical fouling at the end of the game, but sure the dubs dont care and nor should they, they've just one the second most important trophy in irish sport and well done to all involved.

pig.ignorant (Derry) - Posts: 655 - 23/09/2013 14:30:16    1487507

Andy Moran's gesture to the Hill was hilarious!

First off, there was 20mins to play and secondly the Hill was half Mayo in anyways! Saw it again last night. Brilliant.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13796 - 23/09/2013 14:32:30    1487512

Royalio
County: Meath
Posts: 7

1487409 hurlingdub
County: Dublin
Posts: 5224

1487229 Yes indeed Hillman :-)

Off to get cure and watch again our 24th All Ireland victory.

Reading some of the pathetic begrudging stuff here just makes it all the sweeter.

COYBIB :-)

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Let's say for a minute that it's not people begrudging and instead that they are actually making valid points in relation to the blatent cynicism shown by Dublin yesterday in closing out the game. Where do you stand on it? What's your opinion on the antics of some of the Dublin players in rugby tackling lads to the ground in the last 5 minutes? Do you agree with that type of tactic?

Fair play to Dublin I say, they got ahead of Mayo by playing some nice football and then in the dying minutes they used a bit of sense and stopped Mayo from Scoring. With such a hugh amount on the line, the chance to win SAM, Dublin were as cyncial as any team I've seen all year including my own. But they are the ones who are celebrating this week and not Mayo who are no angels either it must be said.

cacsmckilly (Tyrone) - Posts: 1294 - 23/09/2013 14:36:45    1487516

fair play to Dublin,ok yes they pulled down players, the same as Mayo did to them last year, its not fair that SEAN CAVANAGH HAS, AND TYRONE, NORTHERN TEAMS, BEEN PUT DOWN ALL SUMMER, i believe Sean Cavanagh should be player of the year,hard luck Mayo, believe, in yourselves, your day will come, seen BRIAN MULLINS IN THE CROWD,1 OF THE GREATS EVER, also JIM MC GUINESS, MICHAEL MURPHY, NOW WHAT ARE THEY PLANNING FOR NEXT YEAR??????????????????????????????????????????????

mchugh11 (Donegal) - Posts: 242 - 23/09/2013 15:17:59    1487561

MesAmis

Andy Moran's gesture to the Hill was hilarious!

First off, there was 20mins to play and secondly the Hill was half Mayo in anyways! Saw it again last night. Brilliant.

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Bloody gas alright...

Possibly the most moronic Hill taunt of all time... hahaha

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 23/09/2013 15:20:15    1487563

The last ten minutes certainly weren't pretty. For the neutrals it must have been dour to watch. Most Dublin supporters probably don't care as long as the result went their way. The Dublin Kerry game was criticized by some because of the lack of defending by both teams. There was some cynical fouling by Dublin in the last ten minutes, was it pretty to watch no, was it effective yes, is it the way Dublin have played consistently this year no. Mayo simply didn't score enough points from play in the first half from the period of dominance they enjoyed.
Dublin switched the kick outs in the second half out to the wings and secured primary possession. This is the platform from which victory was achieved. Dublin had two injured players still on the pitch in the last ten minutes , so they were going to make sure they slowed down Mayo advancing forward. They set out to spoil the Mayo attack in the final ten minutes at the back , in in some cases committed foul but also got some great legitimate steals. Diarmid Conellys earlier point from a a Mayo free being a case in point. Mayo are well capable of scoring from 40 meters out and Dublin were simply not going to afford them that opportunity.

Mayo pretty much did the same thing to Dublin in the semi final last year. I thought the physio spent more time on her feet on the pitch than some of the Mayo players in the second half of the game.
Mayo won the minor title yesterday and they will be back next year stronger ,I'm sure of that. It wasn't a great final as a spectacle too nervy , too tense but there were flashes of brilliance, Andy Moran's goal was sublime.

spmccann (Dublin) - Posts: 209 - 23/09/2013 15:23:25    1487565

Exactly. First pull on a Mayo player was in the 68th min. This isn't like rugby tackling players in on goal 3 weeks in a row or having half-time punch-ups. As for Andy Moran's gestures to the Hill, dear oh dear!

No it wasn't. O'Gara dragged a player down early in the second half. Also "rugby tackling players in on goal 3 weeks in a row" is hilariously over-the-top. At least be honest.

MichaelO (Tyrone) - Posts: 820 - 23/09/2013 17:37:09    1487692

Ridiculous to compare Cavanagh's and McMeniman's tackle. Kev tackled in his own half - not when a player was through on goal.

JimmyK (Dublin) - Posts: 240 - 23/09/2013 17:59:28    1487718

What do people, especially the Dubs, have to say about Joe Brolly's opinion that Dublin were guilty of "appalling cyncism" in the last quarter? Now this is NOT an anti-Dublin thread because they have been the best team in the country this year BUT there has to be consistency after Tyrone and Sean Cavanagh received a lot of criticism and abuse this season. If we are not fair and equal in this the game, the GAA and the media all lose any integrity they have left. The Dubs deserve their victory but they should be mature and engage in these points instead of burying their heads and just pretending it didn't happen.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9817 - 23/09/2013 18:03:34    1487722