First of all congratulations to Dublin, thoroughly deserved of their AI title, they are the best team in the country. Now then, that aside, Dublin players resorted to some beautiful cynical play in the last 5 minutes, a wonderful rugby tackle by Kevin Mc Menamin particularly stood out! Now, I have no problem with cynicism, win at all costs I say, however, the failure by the RTE commentary teams to address the issue is blatant hypocrisy!
Consider the media circus that surrounded Sean Cavanagh's tackle earlier in the summer, if RTE are opposed to cynicism then at least be so across the board! At least Brolly tried to say it, but was quickly silenced, no doubt the producer was waving his contract in the air! lol

Anyway, congratulations again to Dublin and their supporters.

TheGateKeeper (Tyrone) - Posts: 2843 - 22/09/2013 19:27:28    1486864

TheGateKeeper
County: Tyrone
At least Brolly tried to say it,
but was quickly silenced, no doubt the producer was waving his
contract in the air!

lol! :)

legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8781 - 22/09/2013 19:34:24    1486872

Ive always found the win at all costs attitude a bit sad and pathetic.
You say you believe in the win at all costs ethos, therefore I assume you think what lance Armstrong did was okay? After all, when he took those steroids he was only doing what it took to win.
Ive no problem with the general point youre making but theres nothing sadder than some guy trying to justify cheating by sayin "tssk, sure look its win at all costs ya know"

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 22/09/2013 19:39:54    1486880

Dublin got no favours from the referee in that match

suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1736 - 22/09/2013 19:40:04    1486881

The treatment of Tyrone and Sean Kavanagh was appalling this year, and what went on in the last 10 mins today was worse. Not trying to pick on Dublin, who are deserved winners and great champions. Any team would do the same (apart from Limerick who were criticised for not doing it last year). But if RTE are allowing a free for all like they did at the start of August, they had to allow Brolly to speak today.

petejoeduff (Donegal) - Posts: 329 - 22/09/2013 19:45:07    1486891

That was the most shameless display of cynicism by any team in an All Ireland final in recent times. Yet we had Jim Gavin and the various Dublin cheerleaders try to convince us in the run up to the final that they are 'purists' of some sort. I have to agree that if a northern team carried on like Dublin did today the media would go into overdrive. But you won't hear a word of angry indignation on RTE , the various radio stations or in the newspapers because none of them have the balls to upset any in their biggest market.

KeyserSoze (Cork) - Posts: 363 - 22/09/2013 19:46:46    1486894

They slowed down the game and probly won because of it. morally however it was very wrong. It also went against the spirit of the game but as gaelic football is a game where it can take an age for the ball to switch from one part of the field to the next it leaves itself open to this unless the ref has more power

Fishermantom (Limerick) - Posts: 569 - 22/09/2013 19:55:53    1486904

Dublin won fair and square....ok they did some holding in overtime but the ref. gave everything to Mayo over the 70 mins. Dublin should have won by more. The rule changes are coming in next year with black cards etc...Dublin won and played by the rules of the game...sour grapes from too many posters here

maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 1226 - 22/09/2013 19:59:28    1486907

Its allowed within the rules, the rules are wrong not the players for taking advantage of them.

uibhfhaili1986 (Offaly) - Posts: 1296 - 22/09/2013 20:00:27    1486908

Every game a Nordie starts a thread criticising RTE ant-Nordie mafia for not criticising some tackle. Ref gave Dublin nothing, we played very poorly yet we still took Sam home. This one is for the great Heffo. Up the Dubs!

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4743 - 22/09/2013 20:03:50    1486910

I can see why people are upset about the double standards in reporting. However, Dublin did what they had to do. They were willing to accept the punishment for their crimes (as was Sean Cavanagh). Dublin should not be the focus of anybody's anger here. If you are annoyed then RTE and the GAA rule-makers should be the target of your anger.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 22/09/2013 20:03:59    1486912

Complete and utter nonsense maroon and you are not getting away with it. Gatekeeper is 100% spot on. Tyrone and Sean Cavanagh were absolutely slaughtered all summer for cynicism and Dublin closed out the game exactly the same way but the response and hypocrisy has been shameful since the final whistle went. The Dubs were the better side by far and deserved to win by at least 5 points, that's not the point, it's the double standards on show. Going into the last 10 mins the Dubs knew they had to close the game out and stop ANY Mayo atatcks. They consequently resorted to cynical pulling, dragging and the term as many of you have come to love, rugby league style tackles. To say pointing this out is sour grapes is hogwash; Tyrone people especially are fully entitled to highlight the complete double standards on show from the Sunday Game panel and many GAA commentators. They would be failing in their duty to their team, particularly Sean Cavanagh, if they just shrugged their shoulders and ignored the stomach churning hypocrisy. It goes to prove the point I have always made that there is a deep, ingrained partitionism going on with the criticism of Northern sides south of the border. If anyone was interested in fairness and a level playing field they would acknowledge that Dublin did today what Tyrone have been getting hammered for. To deny this or say anything else is deliberate head in the sand stuff.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9818 - 22/09/2013 20:10:45    1486915

bennybunny, have you ever considered that the rule makers have a right to be annoyed at the players and managers for not obeying the rules?
Whatever new set of rules comes in, dishonest players and managers are just going to find out ways around them as well. You can be sure that their are coaches out there already trying to figure out how to use the black card to their advantage, (Perhaps as a way of making extra substitutions. After making their last substitution they can tell a tired player to deliberately foul an opponent and therefore get a new man on.)
How can the rule makers be expected to do their jobs properly when so many of our beloved Gaa players and managers are so happy to break the rules that are there?

joncarter (Galway) - Posts: 2692 - 22/09/2013 20:12:22    1486918

My hope and wish after an awful season for Gaelic football is some attempt at looking at the game in detail at all levels. Its a wonderful game but this summer was at times very depressing and I only hope that the rule changes bring about a change.

If they punish the teams who tactically/cynically fouling it will stop, if they persist in punish the player it won't. But surely Brolly was entitled to say something considerign what he said earlier in the summer.

That said ref was poor for both teams and whatever dragging and pulling went on had little of no effect on a game that was riddled with errors and players too keyed up with nerves to perform at their best. A strange final for me

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4953 - 22/09/2013 20:33:47    1486941

Disapointing end to a terrible football season. According to Pat Spillane this was the year football was 'reclaimed'. Have seen one match this year worth watching (Dub vs Kerry). Even two weeks ago when (not being biased) cork where a point ahead they didn't hall anyone down like Dublin did today. Compare that final to footballs, and there's still another one to be played. In fairness I don't blame Dublin it's just the attitude all football teams have now.

RebelCork (Cork) - Posts: 789 - 22/09/2013 20:34:24    1486942

Arock, this is NOT an anti-Dublin rant because you were the far better side today and should have won by at least 5 points. However even the most die hard Dub, if they had any sense of fairness, would accept that Dublin closed out the game in a very cynical manner pulling, dragging and hauling fellas down by the waist. That's what you had to do and I won't say it was wrong but you must accept that Sean Cavanagh and Tyrone have received some dreadful personal abuse for engaging in the same 'tactics'?. To say otherwise is just wrong and an insult to peoples intelligence. It also adds fuel to the theory that many Ulster Gaels believe that there are two sets of rules and standards in operation.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9818 - 22/09/2013 20:44:39    1486954

There is one thing could be done to combat all this pulling down late in the game and that is bring in a hooter system like in rugby and ladies football, which might help discourage good teams from resorting to such negative tactics when ahead late in games. One poster was right when he said Limerick were ridiculed for continuing to play football when ahead V Kildare last year

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 22/09/2013 20:50:46    1486956

First off , the best and most composed team won.
Second off Mayo are well capable of cynical ' game killing' fouling themselves .
Finally it ironic that a Tyroneman started this thread considering they are past masters of cynical fouling, even their minors do it.
Well done Dublin, All Ireland Champs 2013!

Condorman (Dublin) - Posts: 983 - 22/09/2013 21:27:00    1486985

Basketball used to have a problem with persistent fouling to close out games so they introduced a rule that if a team exceeded a certain number of fouls in a game any further fouls committed would result in 2 free throws to the opposition, no matter where in the court the foul was committed. Something like this has to come into football - a 21 yard free awarded for every foul past the, say, 15 foul mark would go a long way in stopping this.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1256 - 22/09/2013 21:30:17    1486987

22/09/2013 20:50:46
Oldtourman
There is one thing could be done to combat all this pulling down late in the game and that is bring in a hooter system like in rugby and ladies football, which might help discourage good teams from resorting to such negative tactics when ahead late in games. One poster was right when he said Limerick were ridiculed for continuing to play football when ahead V Kildare last year
What hooter system in rugby? Hooter isn't used up here in Northern Hemisphere and hooter system wouldn't discourage teams from resorting to negative tactics at end of games. only rule changes to sport and actual playing rules would change things

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 22/09/2013 21:47:03    1486995