ormondbannerman
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Certainly wasn't cringe and it was episode 1 of a show never really tried before.
New OTB is different but better is very questionable. They centred(sic) on soccer teams outside Ireland as that's where majority of irish soccer fans support/follow.

It certainly was cringe to me. Reagarding thats 'where majority of irish soccer fans support/follow' they are not irish soccer fans, they are English soccer fans. They do not support Irish soccer for the most part. They support English soccer. People have to call a spade a spade, we are not a soccer nation. We just do not produce good clyb teams and good inetnational teams. In fact, take all the English players that played for Ireland over the years and ask yourselves honestly would 88, 90, 94, 02 and 12 have happened without them.

I am an all things CLG folower (and there is nothing wrong with that before anyone has a go). All I am saying is that I think the Off the ball show is better now because it coveras a lot more CLG than it used to. It used to be centerd around soccer from other countries outsuide Ireland - and thats not for me personally.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 11/09/2013 14:30:14    1480046

Jesus lads give them a few shows before we crucify them. Some cringe, some funny. Whoever is in charge of the camera work should get the gate.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8445 - 11/09/2013 14:30:27    1480048

ormondbannerman
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Ken should have been used more

Ken wasn't used more because it is supposed to be a sports show and all Ken knows about is english soccer. Had to laugh though when they asked sadlier how he defined success in his career!! How would he know about success with his one ireland cap and brilliant millwall career! Must be the luckiest man ever to land a gig as a soccer pundit. Mcconville and o gara were good though i must say

whiterbannnas (Mayo) - Posts: 2441 - 11/09/2013 14:38:10    1480063

Mes Amis, i think we can both agree Jimmy Keaveney should be ahead of em all regardless :)

Liamwalkinstown (Dublin) - Posts: 8166 - 11/09/2013 14:43:47    1480072

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1480072 Mes Amis, i think we can both agree Jimmy Keaveney should be ahead of em all regardless :)

I'd agree with that myself.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 11/09/2013 14:45:26    1480077

11/09/2013 14:30:14
Culann
It certainly was cringe to me. Reagarding thats 'where majority of irish soccer fans support/follow' they are not irish soccer fans, they are English soccer fans. They do not support Irish soccer for the most part. They support English soccer. People have to call a spade a spade, we are not a soccer nation. We just do not produce good clyb teams and good inetnational teams. In fact, take all the English players that played for Ireland over the years and ask yourselves honestly would 88, 90, 94, 02 and 12 have happened without them.
I am an all things CLG folower (and there is nothing wrong with that before anyone has a go). All I am saying is that I think the Off the ball show is better now because it coveras a lot more CLG than it used to. It used to be centerd around soccer from other countries outsuide Ireland - and thats not for me personally. They are irish soccer supporters. They watch the games in England as that is where the majority of top irish players are and where so many of the best world players are.
Of course there nothing wrong with being all things CLG. Nothing at all and for somebody to question that(which nobody has) they would be deluded.
Off The Ball is very different. Different attributes from different people involved. OTB focused so much on soccer in England as that is what a huge number of sportsfans in Ireland want to listen to. Shows like OTB will cover what their audiences want and English premiership is what the people want

11/09/2013 14:30:27
TheFlaker
Jesus lads give them a few shows before we crucify them. Some cringe, some funny. Whoever is in charge of the camera work should get the gate.yes camera work was poor but give the lads a few shows to get used to being on tv. Its a new project and something not really tried here before so kinks will have to be worked out in first few shows which is the case with everything

11/09/2013 14:38:10
whiterbannnas
Ken wasn't used more because it is supposed to be a sports show and all Ken knows about is english soccer. Had to laugh though when they asked sadlier how he defined success in his career!! How would he know about success with his one ireland cap and brilliant millwall career! Must be the luckiest man ever to land a gig as a soccer pundit. Mcconville and o gara were good though i must say
Ken knows more than just soccer in England. Expert across numerous topics. Ever listened to him when he was on OTB Ken could speak very well across any number of topics
Jeez how arrogant and ignorant are you? Of course Sadlier can define success. He made it as a pro which is difficult enough. He clearly got a job as a soccer pundit as people feel he was going to be good at it and on what he has done as a journalist so far he has been very good covering soccer

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 11/09/2013 15:34:04    1480136

Careful what you say about the camera work lads, for all we know our Jimbo could be involved :)

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12400 - 11/09/2013 15:48:09    1480162

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They are irish soccer supporters. They watch the games in England as that is where the majority of top irish players are and where so many of the best world players are.

Irish supporters of English soccer than?? The majority of top Irish soccer players play in Ireland. There is however an elite of the very finest soccer players who play their soccer in England for clubs that would not really compete for trophies or silverware or anything like that - clubs in the bottom half of the main league or the secondary league for example. Which, again, backs up my point that we are not really a soccer nation. We are just better at other sports. Thats all, and I think our media should spend more time covering sports we are good at.

Of course there nothing wrong with being all things CLG. Nothing at all and for somebody to question that(which nobody has) they would be deluded.

I am often told I am a fanatic and that I am a am backward for having such beliefs and interests - and on this site too! Believe it or not!

Off The Ball is very different. Different attributes from different people involved. OTB focused so much on soccer in England as that is what a huge number of sportsfans in Ireland want to listen to. Shows like OTB will cover what their audiences want and English premiership is what the people want

Thats true, thats why I think the new off the ball is better than the old one. because in my view it spends more air time covering sports I like.

They talk about European and International soccer on these shows as well, tellingly it's just the English stuff that seems to annoy people. Different issue altogether.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12400 - 11/09/2013 15:56:37    1480174

11/09/2013 15:52:19
Culann
Irish supporters of English soccer than?? The majority of top Irish soccer players play in Ireland. There is however an elite of the very finest soccer players who play their soccer in England for clubs that would not really compete for trophies or silverware or anything like that - clubs in the bottom half of the main league or the secondary league for example. Which, again, backs up my point that we are not really a soccer nation. We are just better at other sports. Thats all, and I think our media should spend more time covering sports we are good at.
I am often told I am a fanatic and that I am a am backward for having such beliefs and interests - and on this site too! Believe it or not!
Thats true, thats why I think the new off the ball is better than the old one. because in my view it spends more air time covering sports I like. How in gods name could anyone think the majority of top irish soccer players play in Ireland.
They don't. They play in abroad in the premiership, championship which are higher standard than irsh league.
The media will cover what the audience wants it to and its very clear that soccer is what people want.
OTB is now very different. I would find it hard to say its now better. In many ways they are 2 completely different shows.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 11/09/2013 16:07:38    1480188

Liamo

Ha! Bang on!

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13819 - 11/09/2013 21:26:22    1480413

Anyone seen ma Willie? Though big WJ McBride would have been in with a shout.

Offside_Rule (Antrim) - Posts: 4058 - 11/09/2013 21:31:56    1480419

I struggle to understand what Ken Earley brings to the show. He is hailed as a football expert but when he talked to Graham Hunter it was like a clash of two giant hot air balloons :-) I follow him on twitter & he seems like a nice bloke but he talks a lot without saying much. His main contribution was the hilarious interview with Welsh rugby radio which was priceless.

I think Ciaran Murphy is one gas man. But knows his GAA inside out too.

All in all though I enjoyed last nights show and looking forward to the next one.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 11/09/2013 21:46:30    1480435

The most laughable thing about this thread is this argument that golf is bigger globally than soccer. Jesus wept.

Dragon (Cork) - Posts: 12 - 12/09/2013 08:06:26    1480460

I should add I thought the show was decent. Set up very much like Top Gear - sort of relaxed setting, a bit blokey. If it is going to be live I think it needs to be more reactive to that day's or week's event e.g. Austria result, future of Trap etc, hurling final discussion. Still, only the first one and looks promising.

Dragon (Cork) - Posts: 12 - 12/09/2013 08:13:11    1480461

As for show, thought it was a decent effort and I'll defo be watching the remaining episodes. There's the makings on an excellent show in there in my opinion.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13819 - 12/09/2013 09:42:06    1480496

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How in gods name could anyone think the majority of top irish soccer players play in Ireland.

Becaues there is only a handful of players born an bread in Ireland playing soccer in the bottom half of England's main soccer division and only a few in the the top half of the second second division. The Irish palyers playing in lower down divisions wouldn't be as ms good as the best players playing in Ireland but would not be far of them - (well so i'm told by Irish soccer supporters - i'm not an expert on soccer myself. In fact I can't stand the sport). I'm told these players prefer the lower divisions in England (and football in Scotland outside of Celtic)to Irish soccer for financial reasons which brings me to my next point. If Irish people followed Irish soccer than there would be more money hence more players of a better quality. Players wouldn't have to leave. The media has a roll here also. Vicious circle. Anyway back to my point, i'd be very confident that out of the top 100 Irish soccer players born and bread in Ireland a good bit over half of that would play in Ireland. Ps remember that an awful lot of the Irish players born and bread in Ireland playing in Englands top division (the best Irish players therefore) were taken from Irish clubs. Eg Wes Hoolahan, Shane Long, that fella McClean. That sugests to me that there could be more of this standard playing in Ireland. If only Irish soccer people would give Irish soccer a chance rather than supporting the pantomine in England where oney buy trophies and success and where teams do not compete on an even pegging!

They don't. They play in abroad in the premiership, championship which are higher standard than irsh league.

How many do 20/30. How many of these played soccer for clubs in Ireland. Its too easy for people to say the Irish league is crap. Its just as good as the footballers we prioduce. If thats crap well so be it. Sure we as a nation have been crap at rugby since year one for the best part but it hasn't lead to Irish people abandoning Irish rugby for English rugby.

The media will cover what the audience wants it to and its very clear that soccer is what people want.
OTB is now very different. I would find it hard to say its now better. In many ways they are 2 completely different shows.

Very true but Irish soccer will never be a major sport in Ireland if the media keep continuing to ignore it and putting it down. Either way I don't care. I don';t follow the sport and as you say yourself The media will cover what the audience wants it to so in the meantime i'll continue to listen to what is, in my opinion a much better Off The Ball and its coverage of not just English soccer. Hup.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 12/09/2013 09:59:21    1480504

12/09/2013 09:59:21
Culann
Becaues there is only a handful of players born an bread in Ireland playing soccer in the bottom half of England's main soccer division and only a few in the the top half of the second second division. The Irish palyers playing in lower down divisions wouldn't be as ms good as the best players playing in Ireland but would not be far of them - (well so i'm told by Irish soccer supporters - i'm not an expert on soccer myself. In fact I can't stand the sport). I'm told these players prefer the lower divisions in England (and football in Scotland outside of Celtic)to Irish soccer for financial reasons which brings me to my next point. If Irish people followed Irish soccer than there would be more money hence more players of a better quality. Players wouldn't have to leave. The media has a roll here also. Vicious circle. Anyway back to my point, i'd be very confident that out of the top 100 Irish soccer players born and bread in Ireland a good bit over half of that would play in Ireland. Ps remember that an awful lot of the Irish players born and bread in Ireland playing in Englands top division (the best Irish players therefore) were taken from Irish clubs. Eg Wes Hoolahan, Shane Long, that fella McClean. That sugests to me that there could be more of this standard playing in Ireland. If only Irish soccer people would give Irish soccer a chance rather than supporting the pantomine in England where oney buy trophies and success and where teams do not compete on an even pegging!
How many do 20/30. How many of these played soccer for clubs in Ireland. Its too easy for people to say the Irish league is crap. Its just as good as the footballers we prioduce. If thats crap well so be it. Sure we as a nation have been crap at rugby since year one for the best part but it hasn't lead to Irish people abandoning Irish rugby for English rugby.
Very true but Irish soccer will never be a major sport in Ireland if the media keep continuing to ignore it and putting it down. Either way I don't care. I don';t follow the sport and as you say yourself The media will cover what the audience wants it to so in the meantime i'll continue to listen to what is, in my opinion a much better Off The Ball and its coverage of not just English soccer. Hup
There is 25 odd Irish players with premiership clubs and 40+ in championship. I would argue top of league 1 would be higher standard than Irish league so another few players there.
There wouldn't be enough money to drive Irish soccer. those players would
It is born and bred not born and bread. sorry to be a grammar Nazi but you are making me hungry every time you say bread
Even if irish soccer fans followed irish teams more there wouldn't be enough to run a much stronger game here. There would not be enough demand.
We have not been crap at rugby since year one. IRFU had admittedly not done enough to spread the game across the country but that is happening now with likes of Shane Horgan, Sean O Brien, Adam Byrne just 3 who all have been or are players to make it from non traditional areas are driving forces in the game.
I don't think Off the Ball is better as they very much so are 2 very different shows from when the second captain guys were there and what exists now

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 12/09/2013 11:25:24    1480575

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There is 25 odd Irish players with premiership clubs and 40+ in championship. I would argue top of league 1 would be higher standard than Irish league so another few players there.

We will have to agree to disagree here but as far as i'm aware the Times has a breakdown on the amount of players who can play for Ireland (not necessarily Irish players) so the facts would clearly be seen there. By the way I don't include English players with Irish grannys who are not good enough to play for their own countrys as Irish.

I wouldn't know much about the lower divisions of England but lads I know who support Irish soccer and who support English soccer reckon that the standard of Irish soccer would be the equivilant to the top of Englands third division and the bottom of Englands second division. I could not argue this so I can only go with what they tell me. They back this up by saying that there are rgular transfers from Irish clubs to Englsih clubs at this level.

There wouldn't be enough money to drive Irish soccer. those players would
It is born and bred not born and bread. sorry to be a grammar Nazi but you are making me hungry every time you say bread

Sorry. English is my second language and because it was bet into me at school. I hated spelling. (smiley face)

Even if irish soccer fans followed irish teams more there wouldn't be enough to run a much stronger game here. There would not be enough demand.

I'd strongly disagree with this. Attendances of about 5,000 per game i'd imagine would tranfer the league over night and allow clubs to pay more to players - if that is what motivates them. I'm told that in big Irish soccer games you'd get 5,000 so why wouldn't they be able to get more regularily?

We have not been crap at rugby since year one. IRFU had admittedly not done enough to spread the game across the country but that is happening now with likes of Shane Horgan, Sean O Brien, Adam Byrne just 3 who all have been or are players to make it from non traditional areas are driving forces in the game.

Sorry, Crap is probably the wrong word. The least succesfull by a distance of the five nations would probably describe what I am trying to say better.

I don't think Off the Ball is better as they very much so are 2 very different shows from when the second captain guys were there and what exists now

I think it is and base I base that on the fact that I listen to the new one more often than I did the old one.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 12/09/2013 11:50:18    1480595

12/09/2013 11:50:18
Culann
We will have to agree to disagree here but as far as i'm aware the Times has a breakdown on the amount of players who can play for Ireland (not necessarily Irish players) so the facts would clearly be seen there. By the way I don't include English players with Irish grannys who are not good enough to play for their own countrys as Irish.

I wouldn't know much about the lower divisions of England but lads I know who support Irish soccer and who support English soccer reckon that the standard of Irish soccer would be the equivilant to the top of Englands third division and the bottom of Englands second division. I could not argue this so I can only go with what they tell me. They back this up by saying that there are rgular transfers from Irish clubs to Englsih clubs at this level.
I'd strongly disagree with this. Attendances of about 5,000 per game i'd imagine would tranfer the league over night and allow clubs to pay more to players - if that is what motivates them. I'm told that in big Irish soccer games you'd get 5,000 so why wouldn't they be able to get more regularily?
Sorry, Crap is probably the wrong word. The least succesfull by a distance of the five nations would probably describe what I am trying to say better.
I think it is and base I base that on the fact that I listen to the new one more often than I did the old one.
I don't see it in any way how irish sides apart from maybe one maybe 2 would do ok in englands third tier. Most would be well below that level
There is nowhere near enough money for pro soccer in Ireland. 5000 is not enough of attendance to fund a pro sports team. Connacht rugby get that crowd but subsidised a bit by IRFU and that wouldn't happen in soccer with FAI.
While money is not a sole motivator it is considerable motivator and if not enough money there potential players will not run risk of having no earnings.
While listening figures are not available and not available for a while the figures will be down on all evidence for the new OTB.

ormondbannerman (Clare) - Posts: 13473 - 12/09/2013 12:24:54    1480634