Thanks for the clarification Damo.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 06/09/2013 16:35:43    1476738

brendtheredhand, they werent part of the establishment though. They were flakey alsorans who underachieved for years up to that point. They only became a top name after they started playing this way. Also, as regards your opinions on dublin, I enjoyed what kerry were doing in that game more than what dublin were doing, so there is that point out the window also.

The bottom line is if a northern team threw off the shackles and played like kerry did, and went on to win sam in that manner, they would be praised. Similarly, if kerry done a tyrone on it, they would be criticised. It is down to the football being played, not anything else.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 06/09/2013 16:37:48    1476739

He is absolutely correct.

As Mourinho said before ""That was not a football score, it was a hockey score…in training I often play matches of three against three and when the score reaches 5-4 I send the players back to the dressing room, because they are not defending properly"

Neutrals want to see a free for all. If Donegal tried to go against Kerry or Dublin 15 v 15 they'd have gotten mullered. Tyrone less so but it's vindication. There's more than one way to skin a cat.

Mickey right, as usual.

Samsforthehills (Donegal) - Posts: 1075 - 06/09/2013 16:39:10    1476740

Edenburt15, you talk about teams not coughing up leads and naive defending. Didnt tyrone cough up a sizeable lead to mayo in 10 minutes?

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 06/09/2013 16:40:35    1476741

It was a poor game at times, both teams often had 13/14 men behind the ball, lots of handling/kicking errors, poor enough spectacle of a game really .....

Cute_Kerry_Hoor (Kerry) - Posts: 2518 - 06/09/2013 16:43:32    1476746

I recall when Kerry waltzed past Galway a few years back at Croke Park, that that match was hailed by The Southern media (along with the poor knee-bending Galwegians)as a classic. Imo, whilst there were undoubtedly some passages of lovely play from both sides, Galways's defence was naive, careless and , it has to be said, overly courteous to their south-western neighbours. And that's being charitable! Don't lose sight of the beautiful Art of defending lads, when rushing to praise attacking teams. Each discipline is as valuable as the next surely.

gaelantrim (Antrim) - Posts: 1616 - 06/09/2013 16:49:56    1476754

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It was a poor game at times, both teams often had 13/14 men behind the ball, lots of handling/kicking errors, poor enough spectacle of a game really .....
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I don't believe it was CKH, unless of course you are just living up to your name:o) Again, it is not the quality of the game thats being debated here, no need, its the quality of the post match analysis and reporting and the fact that it has already, or so we are being TOLD, passed into GAA folklore. Its heresy to even think otherwise which is why Mickey will be vilified by many.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 06/09/2013 16:53:28    1476759

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I recall when Kerry waltzed past Galway a few years back at Croke Park, that that match was hailed by The Southern media (along with the poor knee-bending Galwegians)as a classic. Imo, whilst there were undoubtedly some passages of lovely play from both sides, Galways's defence was naive, careless and , it has to be said, overly courteous to their south-western neighbours. And that's being charitable! Don't lose sight of the beautiful Art of defending lads, when rushing to praise attacking teams. Each discipline is as valuable as the next surely.


That game received praiae because of the monsoon-like condidtions that both teams had to contend with.

Cute_Kerry_Hoor (Kerry) - Posts: 2518 - 06/09/2013 16:57:18    1476761

You know you have to laugh when you see people talk at length about how poor the defending was - when the same guys point blank refuse to acknowledge the very good attacking on show. Opposite side of the same coin lads.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 06/09/2013 17:01:54    1476770

I think most people were just relieved to finally see a real game of football thats all!
It was just a breath of fresh air instead of the stranglehold Ulster teams have had on the playing of football thats all!

Regards,

Snufalufagus....Laochra Gael

Snufalufagus (Dublin) - Posts: 8100 - 06/09/2013 17:04:21    1476774

And the fans CKH I didn't dry out for days after that game, but I'm not complaining. It was some game.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 14092 - 06/09/2013 17:05:11    1476775

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You know you have to laugh when you see people talk at length about how poor the defending was - when the same guys point blank refuse to acknowledge the very good attacking on show. Opposite side of the same coin lads.

I think that's the very point that's being made Master. Whenever you see a game with 6 goals & 30 odd points then to be sure there was some great forward play, but you also have to say that some of the defending wasn't very good. Just because a game is a great spectacle doesn't mean to say that all the qualities of great forward play & great defending are on show for the real purist to enjoy.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 06/09/2013 17:11:01    1476778

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1476740 He is absolutely correct.

As Mourinho said before ""That was not a football score, it was a hockey score…in training I often play matches of three against three and when the score reaches 5-4 I send the players back to the dressing room, because they are not defending properly"

Neutrals want to see a free for all. If Donegal tried to go against Kerry or Dublin 15 v 15 they'd have gotten mullered. Tyrone less so but it's vindication. There's more than one way to skin a cat.

Mickey right, as usual.

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Well yeah but if he's right then why are there two footballing teams left in the championship and no park the bus merchants.

Also, it is correct to say that there is no correct way to play the game. As I said before there are those who are in the Jack Charlton, it's effective, camp and there are those in the Brazil 1982 camp, we will score more than you. I prefer watching teams in the Brazil camp and I spend my money to be entertained, like last Sunday, not to watch a game like the semi in 2011.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4748 - 06/09/2013 18:04:36    1476809

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You know you have to laugh when you see people talk at length about how poor the defending was - when the same guys point blank refuse to acknowledge the very good attacking on show. Opposite side of the same coin lads.

I think that's the very point that's being made Master. Whenever you see a game with 6 goals & 30 odd points then to be sure there was some great forward play, but you also have to say that some of the defending wasn't very good. Just because a game is a great spectacle doesn't mean to say that all the qualities of great forward play & great defending are on show for the real purist to enjoy.

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Yes but look at the quality of the goals last Sunday. Apart from the penalty, which wasn't, and Walsh's goal where he was given the freedom of Dublin, the other four were top drawer. Not many defenders would have prevented those goals, legally. There was also some brilliant defending on Sunday which is being overlooked. The game was so fast and so end to end that people seem to think that defending was extremely poor but the reality is that there were probably twice as many shots on goal compared to most games and a lot of action in the final thirds at both ends with a huge percentage of scores from play. That's what good games bring.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4748 - 06/09/2013 18:11:14    1476815

Also, it is correct to say that there is no correct way to play the game. As I said before there are those who are in the Jack Charlton, it's effective, camp and there are those in the Brazil 1982 camp, we will score more than you. I prefer watching teams in the Brazil camp and I spend my money to be entertained, like last Sunday, not to watch a game like the semi in 2011.

That's a pretty black and white outlook on how teams set up tactically, and teams will obviously play to their strengths. Dublin have been attack-minded this year but under Gilroy they were fairly defensive, especially in 2010. I think The Dubs probably would've won the all-ireland in 2010 if they'd been a bit more positive, though they have better forwards now and correspondingly play more open football. Dublin are extremely lucky at the moment that they have so many good forwards, they can compensate for the other team scoring a lot.

MichaelO (Tyrone) - Posts: 820 - 06/09/2013 18:22:26    1476821

Mickey Harte, Colm Parkinson, Joe Brolly are all entitled to call the game as they see it. Kerry v Dublin was a great game to watch but equally I enjoyed games like Tyrone v Armagh in 2005. Some of the defending on Sunday was poor and the main reason why I think the All-Ireland Final will be interesting is that Mayo seemed to have mastered the defensive side of the game and will provide Dublin with bigger problems than Kerry provided.

Byanthon (Tyrone) - Posts: 1792 - 06/09/2013 18:47:34    1476829

Joxer

Well yeah but if he's right then why are there two footballing teams left in the championship and no park the bus merchants.




There were only 2 real "Park the bus" teams in this years championship. Laois v Donegal and they did so because they'd have been massacred otherwise. And Kerry up until Sunday - and the won all their games until Sunday. .

A balance is needed. The 2 most attacking teams are not left in the championship! The 2 most balanced teams probably are.

Armagh were the most attacking team this year. Look how that went. .

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5305 - 06/09/2013 18:48:25    1476830

I agree that there was a lot of bad defending in that game. In my opinion, a lot of the defending should mean that the game would never be classed as an epic. There seems to be a crappy media element out there which seems to be of the school that everything Dublin/Kerry is good, and everything Tyrone is bad. I would consider these opinions to be off the mark, and worthless. This year's Dublin/Kerry semi, and other 'greatest game of all time' labelled classics like some of the recent Dublin/Mayo semis, were not a patch on for example the 2005 All-Ireland Final, which I would consider to be among the greatest football games that I've ever seen. The 2005 final had the best of attacking & defending, placing it way ahead of this year's semi-final 'shootout'.

Pope_Benedict (Galway) - Posts: 4329 - 06/09/2013 18:56:31    1476837

Pope Benedict, you are correct!

And that game was probably only the 4th best game of the 05 championship - after the 3 Tyrone Armagh games.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5305 - 06/09/2013 19:04:04    1476843

In fairness, there is truth in both.
it was a cracking contest.
But there was a lot of naive defending, and the fact that it was such a high scoring contest made the card count quickly forgotten.
Maybe we play favorites when excitement is involved.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3853 - 06/09/2013 19:38:33    1476856