A limerick player was nearly through on goal yesterday and was dragged down by the Clare man (number 6 I think) but someone correct me. It probably had no bearing on the outcome but still. Then there was a bit of bating going on in the Clare goal and a hurley flying into a face and shins.

The commentators didn't take much notice and as before is played off as part of the game of Hurling for tough men, a bit of handbags. Now this is not a rant against Hurling but if we saw that in football (or if we do next Sunday) the doom merchants will be out in force.

Is there a double standards when it comes to Football v Hurling and rough play and/or cynical fouling?

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11768 - 19/08/2013 15:10:19    1463948

This thought came into my head too for that tackle and I was wondering would someone post about this. 10/10 to yew_tree for raising a good debating point.

To be fair it had no bearing on the game and both sides did it. I suppose we need to be fair & acknowledge that doing this in hurling is the same as football. It's a foul, it's cynical and probably needs to be stamped out.

slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6557 - 19/08/2013 15:19:33    1463960

Hurling boys never turn on their own

gotmilk (Fermanagh) - Posts: 4971 - 19/08/2013 15:25:04    1463968

Now this is not a rant against Hurling but if we saw that in football (or if we do next Sunday) the doom merchants will be out in force.

this is a rant now yew, just admit it. and you are right, if we seen anybody on a football field getting hit on the shins with a hurl there would be uproar, and rightly so

pig.ignorant (Derry) - Posts: 655 - 19/08/2013 15:26:27    1463970

You're only saying that because you're not a hurling man. If you knew hurling then you'd understand breaking your camán over a fellas legs when he's clean through on goal is not even a free. Anyone who says it is a foul is just carrying football's problems into the beautiful game....

So yes of course there's double standards. In the same way there's double standards between Gaelic football and nearly every sport in the planet right now when it comes to discussing tactical fouling. It happens in every sport and always has.

doublehop (Kildare) - Posts: 4172 - 19/08/2013 15:36:16    1463979

pig.ignorant - Well I love Hurling and some of the intense roughness that goes with it. Kilkenny for example have played on the edge of the rules for years. It's just the media, pundits, GAA seem to be on a one way street and give out about football all the time....yeah I suppose it is a rant.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11768 - 19/08/2013 15:40:22    1463983

if we seen anybody on a football field getting hit on the shins with a hurl there would be uproar, and rightly so

Sure would, I would be the first one questioning where the hell the hurl came out of!

Pinkie (Wexford) - Posts: 4100 - 19/08/2013 15:56:53    1464009

Nial Moran should have known better and he should have seen red but then does that reward unpsorting behavour for the Clare back to verbal abuse players??

freetaker1 (Limerick) - Posts: 758 - 19/08/2013 15:58:53    1464013

If a football manager was ranting and raving like Davy he would get the works too....

Condorman (Dublin) - Posts: 983 - 19/08/2013 16:01:05    1464019

Pinkie
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1464009

early contender for reply of the year!hillarious.

perfect10 (Wexford) - Posts: 3929 - 19/08/2013 16:50:29    1464081

I'm fairly sure Pig.Ignorant was getting at that joke lads..

square_ball_69 (Westmeath) - Posts: 826 - 19/08/2013 20:21:33    1464229

square_ball_69
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1464229 I'm fairly sure Pig.Ignorant was getting at that joke lads..

+1

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 19/08/2013 21:39:28    1464298

In the camogie semi final on Saturday, a Cork defender performed a rugby tackle on a Kilkenny forward to prevent a goal, conceding a penalty. Again, no mention on the Sunday Game analysis of the game last night. Double standards...

football first (None) - Posts: 1259 - 19/08/2013 21:51:22    1464307

"Kilkenny for example have played on the edge of the rules for years."

I love when people say a team played "on the edge of the rules". What they really mean is that team figured out small, subtle ways of cheating, and got away with them.

icehonesty (Wexford) - Posts: 2581 - 20/08/2013 08:32:28    1464337

football first
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No such thing as cynical fouling in hurling/camogie - tactical fouling is the term I believe your looking for. Unfortunately football pundits and media types call this cynical fouling, its not, its tactical. Still needs to be stamped out though, don't punish the player just punish the team - end off.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4958 - 20/08/2013 08:59:04    1464346

Arock,

That is complete and utter hogwash and a total cop out. The Limerick players had beaten his marker and was in with a goal chance but was cynically and deliberately dragged back by the Clare player. It was an indentical 'tackle' to Sean Cavanagh's and the utter silence from many on HS and in the media is naueasting hypocrisy. I would suggest if that been an Ulster hurling team or player the usual suspects would have been out in force. Davy Fitzgerald is a great hurling man and I like Clare but let's not kid ourselves there are not massive double standards in play here. It gives complete vindication to the theory that there are two sets of standards and rules in play; ONE for Ulster sides and ONE for the rest of the island. There are even those who defend the higher foul count of other football sides as opposed to Tyrone BECAUSE they are different sets of fouls. I have heard it all now.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9838 - 20/08/2013 14:21:12    1464425

Well said Arock.

Ulsterman

you..like..totally..need to chillax..dude.

You're losing the run of yourself.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 20/08/2013 16:27:39    1464496

Pinkie
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1464009 if we seen anybody on a football field getting hit on the shins with a hurl there would be uproar, and rightly so

Sure would, I would be the first one questioning where the hell the hurl came out of!

i expected better pinkie

pig.ignorant (Derry) - Posts: 655 - 21/08/2013 11:16:35    1464937

It's a football problem, as in everyone is out to have a go at football at the moment as it seems to be the fashion of the day.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13839 - 21/08/2013 11:56:07    1464985

Anything that is posted on this site becomes a real hurling v football argument. Cynical fouling is a disgrace but if the rules so not do anything about it then what can you do? this goes for both sports as there is plenty of it in both games.
A bigger problem in the GAA is the split bewteen hurling and football people. I really dont think we like each other from reading a lot of the commetns on this site.
Why cant we all just get along?????

Fishermantom (Limerick) - Posts: 569 - 21/08/2013 13:11:53    1465053