We're starting a new non political supporters organisation up here in Tyrone called THE RED HAND BROTHER & SISTER HOOD everybody welcome Black ,White RC CofI Hindu anybody really we'er very multicultural up here we'll even welcome Mayo folk .

fortyfive (Tyrone) - Posts: 5929 - 10/08/2013 20:24:56    1458353

For instance Down have inflicted more defeats in Championship football than Tyrone yet Kerry despise Tyrone and I could be wrong
but I dont believe they hate Down.Why? because of the level of disrespect shown by Tyrone to Kerry, the masters of gaelic football, is very bad

In the Independent today:

Mick O'Dwyer, who played against Down on several occasions in the early 1960s, has no doubt that they majored in pre-planned negativity.

"They had no qualms whatsoever about fouling a player out the field. I would be the first to pay tribute to Down for the many positive and creative aspects they used such as off-the-ball running, support play, accurate passing and ball retention but there is no doubt that they also exploited as much negativity as they thought they could get away with.

"There were no 'ticks' or yellow cards back then, so provided a challenge wasn't of the seriously dirty variety, a player could foul as much as he wanted without any consequences except conceding a free.

"I know Down have always denied that deliberate fouling was part of their plan but I played against them often enough to suspect that it most definitely was. After all, it was hardly a coincidence that they did it so systematically," wrote O'Dwyer in his autobiography.

MichaelO (Tyrone) - Posts: 820 - 10/08/2013 21:41:12    1458414

This bias exists and it's not new. When Dublin beat Tyrone in a semi-final in 1984, the game turned on a goal that Dublin worked from a free. That free came from an incident when Dublin knocked out the Tyrone midfielder with a rabbit punch. Not only was the Dublin guy not carded, Tyrone didn't even get a free. Instead, the ref awarded Dublin a free(!), from which Dublin worked an admittedly well-taken goal against a shocked Tyrone team. I bought the papers over the next days. Surely there'd be some mention of this startling 'error' by the ref. Nothing.

Fast forward a decade, to Tyrone's appearance against Meath. As the on-pitch travesty played out, naïve, red and white footballers (their blood and bandages matched their jerseys nicely!) tried to play clean football, to very little avail. Meath fouled relentlessly, and when they had you softened up, they certainly had some wonderful players who could put the game beyond reach. I remember Canavan hobbling around the pitch, effectively nullified after an incident when two Meath lads targeted him in an obviously well-rehearsed assault. Canavan was unable properly to play football again for about 6 months afterwards. What rankled was the Southern media omerta about Meath's ice-hockey tactics in the following days - nothing said.

More recently, we had an OTT Southern media frenzy, following a scrimmage between two obscure junior club teams from Kerry and Tyrone. After the melee at the Dromid (Kerry) v Derrytresk (Tyrone) match, headline news was "Kerry GAA star attacked by handbag" etc. You can see an elderly woman with a handbag in the next photo, shortly before she used it, possibly. But no paper saw fit to report that the bold O'Sullivan (a mighty player, incidentally) had hardly been a saint beforehand - based on his style in a picture which emerged (to a deafening media silence) a few days later, you'd have to Declan has the makings of a fine light-heavy boxer - what a cross as he laid out the Derrytresk guy (who no doubt had been no saint either)! But the views of anyone from Derrytresk were obviously never sought at all - surely one of the first principles of journalism is that you do some research, HEAR BOTH SIDES, before rushing to print - anything less is evidence of bias.

Afterwards, the Chairman of Dromid club remarked that that such melees 'never happen in Kerry'(!). Yet a quick google search immediately revealed that a Dromid official (no less) refereeing a match in South Kerry had been bate off the field by Skellig Rangers fans. The key point though is that his statement went untested. Any professional journalist faced with a holier-than-thou statement like that should have made some attempt to verify it before reporting it as gospel. Unless of course you're biased.

This non-event between two decent, tiny rural clubs somehow made national headlines. Joe Duffy even had a phone-in about it on peak-time radio. The second depressing thing about the media coverage of this small incident (apart from the general GAA-bashing) was that the Tyrone team was relentlessly painted as the sole villains of the piece. In reality, it was 6 of one and half a dozen of the other between 2 generally decent rural teams. From the pro-Union Southern media's perspective, it allowed them to grind two well-worn axes at the same time - bashing the GAA in general and bashing the Nordy Nationalists in particular.

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 11/08/2013 08:43:05    1458438

More recent bias was evident in the Southern media treatment of Cavanagh's yellow card incident. Some salient facts of that quarter final weekend are:
1. Cavanagh was yellow-carded. Other players, including another midfielder, were red-carded.
2. The "revolting" and "disgraceful" Tyrone team (to use some of the frothier adjectives from various soon-to-be-canonised posters on this thread) committed the least fouls of all the teams playing that weekend.
3. In another of that weekend's quarter finals, a well-known player up-ended two opponents by catching their ankles and tripping them up. He received a yellow card for the second incident; the first incident apparently was unseen by the referee. This is in the same category of physically harmless but 'game-stopping' foul as Cavanagh's.
Yet, despite the foregoing facts, in the following days, all the media focus was on Cavanagh! How is that anything other than bias, and bias of the most petty variety at that? How can you have several people committing the same type of fouls but only one of them gets publicly pilloried?

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 11/08/2013 08:43:46    1458439

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More recent bias was evident in the Southern media treatment of Cavanagh's yellow card incident. Some salient facts of that quarter final weekend are:
1. Cavanagh was yellow-carded. Other players, including another midfielder, were red-carded.
2. The "revolting" and "disgraceful" Tyrone team (to use some of the frothier adjectives from various soon-to-be-canonised posters on this thread) committed the least fouls of all the teams playing that weekend.
3. In another of that weekend's quarter finals, a well-known player up-ended two opponents by catching their ankles and tripping them up. He received a yellow card for the second incident; the first incident apparently was unseen by the referee. This is in the same category of physically harmless but 'game-stopping' foul as Cavanagh's.
Yet, despite the foregoing facts, in the following days, all the media focus was on Cavanagh! How is that anything other than bias, and bias of the most petty variety at that? How can you have several people committing the same type of fouls but only one of them gets publicly pilloried?

Again who was the one who highlighted it in the first place? Where is he from? Its funny how thats been ignored by the Ulster posters who are trying to play the victim once again

moomoo (Kerry) - Posts: 4023 - 11/08/2013 12:47:24    1458554

Ashamed of nothing , offended by everything.(otherwise known as Ulster syndrome?)

51longago (Mayo) - Posts: 2981 - 11/08/2013 13:45:28    1458613

brendtheredhand, fair enough you say this is a tyrone bashing thread. But can you deny anything redandblack29 has said? Can you make a point against it? His points are accurate in my opinion, so I think think it can be written off as bashing thread. Also, can anyone post a link where they see an article that they believe is anti ulster?

Also, when responding to 51longago, please remember he is one person, and dont start talking about mayo posters. The irony of doing so shouldnt be lost on people.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 11/08/2013 17:57:39    1458913

Is theres such a southern media agenda why are Ulster championship games shown on RTE? If there was an agenda surely they wouldnt be showing them now would they? BCC only show games with Ulster teams does that mean they have an agenda?

moomoo (Kerry) - Posts: 4023 - 11/08/2013 18:08:21    1458930

Which point in particular master?

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 11/08/2013 18:09:30    1458933

BCC only show games with Ulster teams does that mean they have an agenda?

Of course they have an agenda!! They are a british broadcaster who would rather not show any GAA games but show a limited number under protest to try and give some semblance of equality (it doesn't work).

Tom1916 (Armagh) - Posts: 2001 - 11/08/2013 18:19:31    1458950

Can't say I buy into this southern media agenda thing, for instance Tyrone received many plaudits for their style of play back in 2008. What I have a real issue with is idiots coming onto forums like this posting some ridiculous anti-northern comment simply to get a rise out of people, some of these people would be better getting outside into the real world!

I do however feel Tyrone has received a completely over the top reaction to their play. Tyrone are no more cynical or defensive as any other team. Granted I have an issue with some players diving and going down easy however this is a common problem in the GAA (Dessie's Mone's overreaction to being punched and Aidan O'Mahony's flop a few years back spring to mind). I think the media just jumped on the bandwagon and are playing into Brolly's hands because it's been a relatively uneventful football championship, particularly compared to the hurling.

stringbean (Tyrone) - Posts: 134 - 11/08/2013 18:54:04    1459007