Steaf35
County: Cavan
Posts: 9

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Not pretty to watch but you utilise what you have in the best way possible; Cullivan good in the air but kicking distribution was poor; I dont think Lavey scored a point from play in the second half despite owning possession; Standard of refeering was poor and inconsistent especially in the second half. Neither team are semi final standard;

I highlighted your piece about the standard of refereeing well she had a good game two incidents she missed, the penalty for Castlerahan and a sending off on the stand side agains Ramor. If one was to give an opinion I felt Maggie ticked too many players when yellows would have been more appropriate and to the point and would have stopped all this petty fouling.
Good game otherwise well done to her.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 16/09/2013 09:41:51    1482675

The Castlerahan Ramor game was never going to be a classic. For one thing the ground was wet. Also both teams very tactically aware however Brian Mulvey won the tactical battle getting match ups spot on. Fergal Reilly played Jack well while Sean Brady completely nullified James McEnroe. Midfield was a sector where Ramor should have won hands down but Shane Cusack done a good job on Anton. Apart from the first ten minutes Ramor looked poor. Damien Barkey done as good as you can on Mackey but couldn't curb his influence. I feel Ramor should have put a man in front of him and behind because Shane Cole was free a lot of the time with Ronan Flanagan dropping back and controlling the play and pace of the game. Paul Smiths tackling was a joy to see and his hit at the end on Anton was gutsy and massive. How he wasn't a county under 21 this year I don't know. One huge thing for Ramor was not being allowed play their county minors which would have given them an added quality and better options to change things. Maggie constantly calling for fouls and got big calls wrong. Castlerahan denied a clear penalty, the goal came from a free that wasn't and how Anton lasted the whole game without walking I'll never know. As Sean O Rinn said a lot of ticks when cards should have being given. Looking forward to Gaels Mullahoran which could be the game to ignite the championship.

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 16/09/2013 10:18:25    1482721

Agree for the most part with Denn man and doratheexplorer.
Ramor far too negative, why they didn't stick with the same team baffles me. I would have taken Anton Reilly off . Bradleys missed two easy frees. Jack Brady yet again was expected to be everywhere, tracking back to half back line and then who have you inside? He comes in for a lot of criticism , yet converted every free, was brought down for some of them ,and twice was fouled as he was running towards goal, and not even a yellow for the cynical fouls on him. Ramor got it tactically wrong.
My money on the Gaels now.
Anyone know why the Ramor Minors weren't allowed play. HUGE MISTAKE,may have cost them the championship,

BreffniBlue (Cavan) - Posts: 278 - 16/09/2013 11:04:05    1482753

that's not how I saw the game at all

Castherahan played a Donegal style packing the defence and breaking forward at speed
They were very disciplined and kept very much to their game plan
Ramor found it difficult to break Castlerahan down
The high intensity that is required to maintain this gameplan requires fitness and nerve
one of the side effects of this game plan is that your opponents tend to rush kicks and lose composure as they get frustrated
This certainly happened yeaterday
So I dont think Ramor were negative they just found it difficult to play against they system
another example of why this sustem is effective is that when you have the ball and look for your forwards its hard to see any free ones because of the numbers back. ie there are 25 players in the Castlerahan half the Ramor forwards and defence are packing the Castlerahan defence and are in effect part of the defence
Having said all that Ramor had chances but as I said the high intensity may have caused some of the misses and Castle rahan took most of their chances
new systems (at club level in any case) make thisngs more interesting and clubs will have to respond.

Edenburt15 (Cavan) - Posts: 723 - 16/09/2013 11:33:10    1482773

Edenburt

Castlerahan didn't pack their defence until the second half when they had a sizable lead to sit on. I can recall one instance in the first half where Castlerahan were playing the ball over and back the pitch between the Ramor 45 and 65 for about 3 minutes because Ramor had everyone bar one player inside their own 45. This was when they were already 4 or 5 points down.

Bozo (Cavan) - Posts: 58 - 16/09/2013 12:06:55    1482800

I'd certainly agree with Edenburt. It's an interesting development seeing systems coming into play at club level. At one stage during the second half Castlerahan hadn't one player in Ramors half. It was after this that Mackey was more advanced and exerted influence leaving Damien Barkey very isolated on him with it usually Mackey and one other forward in Ramors half. There was quick breaking from the likes of Paul Smith, David Wright and Enda O Connell. Castlerahans six backs are blessed with pace and so can do this effectively.

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 16/09/2013 12:15:29    1482807

Castlerahan deserved the win last night but their system of packing the defence is horrible to watch. This is filtering down from intercounty Donegal/Cavan. There were many times last night when 29 players were between Castlerahans goal line and the 45m line. Ramors keeper was the only one left in the other half.The standard was poor and the williness of the ref to blow minimunal contact fouls left the players confused. But when it came to big calls the ref got it wrong. The Castlerahan goal was a free that should have gone to Shane Cole ????? The penalty was a dead cert push on Fergal Flanagan????? Its a real shame that this game did not live up to all the hype as a big crowd on a cold night deserved better. Castlerahan had some outstanding performers Ronan Flanagan had an excellent first half and did very little wrong in the second half also but Paul Smith was the stand out player and showed his strength in the Anton Reilly challenge on the stand side. Hope Gaels/Mullahoran will be the classic we still wait for in the championship so far.

nidgey (Cavan) - Posts: 11 - 16/09/2013 12:18:22    1482810

Semi Final Draw
Castlerahan v Gaels/Mullahoran
Crosserlough v Ballinagh/Lacken

neilarmstron9 (Cavan) - Posts: 110 - 16/09/2013 12:29:27    1482822

When was the semi final draw made????
On subject of refereeing, it must be extremely frustrating for players who have been practising their tackling all year to have every single thing blown unfairly! About time the Co. Board did something about the standard in this county. Must be the worst in the country. Performance related pay might be the solution!!

BreffniBlue (Cavan) - Posts: 278 - 16/09/2013 12:59:53    1482853

Bozo

I'm sure thats not entirely accurate, and If as you say Ramor packed their defence when they were down then I didn't see that. Anyway my post was complementary to the discipline of Castlerahan and how they kept to their game plan it takes a lot of nerve and skill to play this way. I believe there are many ways to play the game and teams need to find their best way and other teams need to find a better way

Edenburt15 (Cavan) - Posts: 723 - 16/09/2013 13:08:12    1482863

Edenburt

Trust me they did. In the second quarter of the match if you recall. I remember commenting on it at the time. This particular passage of play ended with Fergal Reilly kicking straight to Barry Fitzimons (I think) who was only 15 yards away when he had a choice of two spare men. I should have taken a picture as proof ;)

Castlerahan did indeed have no one in the Ramor half for large parts of the second half. But this was not the case in the first half, that's all I'm saying.

Bozo (Cavan) - Posts: 58 - 16/09/2013 13:27:32    1482878

I dont remember seeing Shane Mulvanney, Ado Cole or Queally tracking back that much but I'll take your word for it.

My point is the same in any case.

Edenburt15 (Cavan) - Posts: 723 - 16/09/2013 14:25:58    1482929

GallantJohnJoe
County: Cavan
Posts: 79

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Ramor will play the Fermanagh champions away in the quarter final of Ulster...After that, it's the winners of Donegal v Antrim. A big ask but my gut tells me this is the year a Cavan team makes it back to the Ulster Club Final. Long overdue if ya ask me
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Who'll the Cavan champions play in Ulster seen as Ramor are gonna take care of Fermanagh & Donegal/Antrim champions?

wishfulthinkin (Cavan) - Posts: 1732 - 16/09/2013 16:01:26    1483040

I agree with your mains point. Personally I hope the game doesn't keep progressing that way. Mayo and Dublin in this years final have overcome these super defensive systems. It's always interesting to watch contrasting styles come up against each other though.

Bozo (Cavan) - Posts: 58 - 16/09/2013 16:04:06    1483045

Ok game last night . Ramor never got going , felt Castlerahon were always in control from the 15th minute on . R Flanagan and Mackey very impressive . There were some bizarre reffing decisions though . Anyone know why exactly Castlerahon were allowed to retake the sideline kick which they ballooned into the stand - was it because the ball hadn't actually entered the field of play ? Just about summed up the night !

Hardtimes (Cavan) - Posts: 1056 - 16/09/2013 16:27:29    1483071

And also the Ramor keeper took a kick out from his hands. Not sure on rules on sideline if hasn't entered play.

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 16/09/2013 17:09:58    1483123

BreffniBlue
County: Cavan
Posts: 224

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Wow, Eatmyfish,
Would love to know what club you are

I'm a Mullahoran man, thank you for asking.

EatMyFish (Cavan) - Posts: 205 - 16/09/2013 17:18:38    1483133

if the ball didnt cross the line into the field of play then the sideline should be taken again. With the rule on crossing the sideline, players are inclined to kick from well before and if the ball screws off thier foot then possible not cross into the field of play. ddint see the kickout from the ramor keepers hands ..

ManInBlack (Cavan) - Posts: 9 - 16/09/2013 17:25:33    1483141

doratheexplorer
County: Cavan
Posts: 272

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And also the Ramor keeper took a kick out from his hands. Not sure on rules on sideline if hasn't entered play.

Incorrect Maggie had blown for a free so he was entitled to kick from his hands.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 16/09/2013 18:04:44    1483175

Hardtimes
County: Cavan
Posts: 50

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Ok game last night . Ramor never got going , felt Castlerahon were always in control from the 15th minute on . R Flanagan and Mackey very impressive . There were some bizarre reffing decisions though . Anyone know why exactly Castlerahon were allowed to retake the sideline kick which they ballooned into the stand - was it because the ball hadn't actually entered the field of play ? Just about summed up the night !

I think if you play back just before R Flannagan I think took the side line kick a person was been treated just to his left I expect this is why it was retaken from what I could see open to correction here.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4602 - 16/09/2013 18:08:27    1483178