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who was it that missed the free after their goal was disallowed?

It was an incredible miss!

That miss just shows how much Mayo were rattled at that stage. Tyrone had tore them to pieces and they were shell shocked. Only for terrible referring decisions Mayo would have been out of it

Buaiteoir (Tyrone) - Posts: 15 - 26/08/2013 12:42:39    1468331

Sour grapes maybe?

Spoddgy (Mayo) - Posts: 660 - 26/08/2013 12:53:23    1468344

I have now doubt that Mayo yesterday got the benefit from a terrible display from Deegan, So much has been said about cynical fouling that it ignores the greatest plague in the GAA which is the standard of referees that take on big matches. It is high time that this is addressed once and for all. Introduce replay analysis into the game, allow team managers to challange some of the decisions, introduce a second referee to the game, strenghten the decision making abilities of linesmen and umpires, Please Please do something I am sick watching high profile games in which results can be effected by the inept performance of one individual.

In no way do I believe that Tyrone would have won the game yeaterday as it was clear that Mayo had the extra gears and were the better side but Deegans performance on balance resulted in swaying the momentum of the game in Mayo's favour which can have a great bearing on the final outcome.

As highlighted Deegans williness to give out 3 soft frees to Mayo in the first 20 mins of the game allowed them to stay in touch with Tyrone. Had the game been at 6-0 with 20 mins gone It would have been interesting to see if Mayo could have rallied.

Mayo's first point of the second half was a clear double bounce. By the way Deegan also missed an earlier double bounce by Boyle on the 32'nd min in the first half.

The penalty as already pointed out was for a tackle (not a foul) made outside the 13.

Now take those into account and you have a very different game unfolding. 6 mins into second half the scoreline was 1-7 to 0-7 and Mayo had struck the front with all the momentum.

I know people will righly point out that Deegan made a balls of the Mayo goal which of course he did but the point I will make is that Deegan changed the dynamics of the game by:

1. Keeping them in touch in the early stages at a time when Tyrone where on top. i.e. Deegan negated Tyrones start.

2. Giving Mayo the momentum after half time by handing them 1-1 and propelling them into a 3 pt lead which they fully capitalised on.

Skillful_Bill (Tyrone) - Posts: 102 - 26/08/2013 13:17:05    1468380

Wrecked and hungover here but what a feeling waking up having our minor and senior teams in the all Ireland final. And so we got a tough test and came through it in the second half. It's just what Mayo needed. We are not as good as the Donegal game but not as bad as the first half yesterday. Ple to to work on now for the next month which is no bad thing either. The turning poi t in this game was not disallowed goals, tackles or dubious penalties but rather our 3 point surge from Barret and Keegan just before half time to cut the margin to one point.

While I was a bit worried at half to e I knew we would play better in the second half which we did. Credit to Tyrone though who had an intense game plan which worked for the first 30 mins. There is a future in that team. Defeated for Cillian again and his accuracy was missed and will be missed in the final. Freeman though stepped up to the plate brilliantly.

Going to watch the game back later today and mill over the talking points but over all Micky Harte and the Tyrone fans after were very gracious in defeat. Also a big shout our to our fantastic fans yesterday. Crpke Park was a sea of green and red and we outnumbered Tyrone 3/1. Lets hope we have something to shout about come final whistle on all Ireland day. Also well done to our mi ours - fantastic team.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11656 - 26/08/2013 13:27:01    1468392

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I have now doubt that Mayo yesterday got the benefit from a terrible display from Deegan, So much has been said about cynical fouling that it ignores the greatest plague in the GAA which is the standard of referees that take on big matches. It is high time that this is addressed once and for all. Introduce replay analysis into the game, allow team managers to challange some of the decisions, introduce a second referee to the game, strenghten the decision making abilities of linesmen and umpires, Please Please do something I am sick watching high profile games in which results can be effected by the inept performance of one individual.

In no way do I believe that Tyrone would have won the game yeaterday as it was clear that Mayo had the extra gears and were the better side but Deegans performance on balance resulted in swaying the momentum of the game in Mayo's favour which can have a great bearing on the final outcome.

As highlighted Deegans williness to give out 3 soft frees to Mayo in the first 20 mins of the game allowed them to stay in touch with Tyrone. Had the game been at 6-0 with 20 mins gone It would have been interesting to see if Mayo could have rallied.

Mayo's first point of the second half was a clear double bounce. By the way Deegan also missed an earlier double bounce by Boyle on the 32'nd min in the first half.

The penalty as already pointed out was for a tackle (not a foul) made outside the 13.

Now take those into account and you have a very different game unfolding. 6 mins into second half the scoreline was 1-7 to 0-7 and Mayo had struck the front with all the momentum.

I know people will righly point out that Deegan made a balls of the Mayo goal which of course he did but the point I will make is that Deegan changed the dynamics of the game by:

1. Keeping them in touch in the early stages at a time when Tyrone where on top. i.e. Deegan negated Tyrones start.

2. Giving Mayo the momentum after half time by handing them 1-1 and propelling them into a 3 pt lead which they fully capitalised on.


Tyrone scored 2 points which should not have been allowed due to a foul on a Mayo player in one instance and a pick up off the ground in the other. Add Freeemans goal to that and all of a sudden you can take 5 points off Tyrone. This picking out stuff is silly. Had Freemans goal stood nobody would have talked about the penalty as Mayo would have been in control by then. Swings and roundabouts.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8456 - 26/08/2013 13:30:04    1468398

just 2 things which i haven'r read or heard anwhere re yesterday's game.I thought Colm cavanagh was magnificent. never seen him play as well. I also think that Cillian O'Connor injured his shoulder , not at the time he was attempting to catch the ball with the Tyrone player (as both bbc and rte get showing) but in the incident prior to that close to goal when he was tackled and fell to the ground. it was obvious he hurt his shoulder then but perhaps he didn't want to believe it and tried to play on and hope for a miracle.
ref was terrible. some of Mayo's best players simply did not perform e.g. Kevin McLoughlin,Andy Moran. Seamie O' Se out-performed his brother.

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5522 - 26/08/2013 13:41:47    1468410

Mayo were well on top in that match and probably should have won by more, it will be a blessing in disguise for them because they have plenty to work on. Only for the three points before half time they were in serious bother. I hope they learnt a valuable lesson yesterday from the 1st half where they let Tyrone imposed their game on them. Once Mayo forced their game on Tyrone in the second half they never looked like losing the match.

Tyrone maximised their talent this year and they should be applauded for it too but they are not currently in the same league as Mayo, Dublin, Donegal etc. They have some very good young players like McCurry that will only benefit from this year. Harte definitely got the best out of his team and thats all you can ask of a coach.

I thought O'Shea and Cavanagh were very good yesterday, as in Colm in Seamie, it was nice to see them having big games because I am sure they are sick of being told how good their brothers are.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 26/08/2013 13:44:55    1468412

Tyrone weren't good enough end of story, and yes wasn't deegans best game but both side benifited for those calls. Maybe it's time Tyrone stopped whinging?

Spoddgy (Mayo) - Posts: 660 - 26/08/2013 13:46:41    1468413

Tyrone scored 2 points which should not have been allowed due to a foul on a Mayo player in one instance and a pick up off the ground in the other. Add Freeemans goal to that and all of a sudden you can take 5 points off Tyrone. This picking out stuff is silly. Had Freemans goal stood nobody would have talked about the penalty as Mayo would have been in control by then. Swings and roundabouts.

I don't think you get my point, I am not debating the outcome of the game as I still believe had the game been officiated correctly throughout Mayo would have won because over all they were the better side and best balanced team. My point here is that because of the inept standard of refeering and the GAA's unwilliness to address this we have two many games being adversely effected by poor standards of officiating. The Swings and roundabouts arguement is false and is used when a team and their supporters know it has benefited from poor refing tell that to Louth supporters with Sluddens ineptitude a few years back. Its ignoring the elephant in the room.

Skillful_Bill (Tyrone) - Posts: 102 - 26/08/2013 13:49:16    1468418

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Tyrone scored 2 points which should not have been allowed due to a foul on a Mayo player in one instance and a pick up off the ground in the other. Add Freeemans goal to that and all of a sudden you can take 5 points off Tyrone. This picking out stuff is silly. Had Freemans goal stood nobody would have talked about the penalty as Mayo would have been in control by then. Swings and roundabouts.

I don't think you get my point, I am not debating the outcome of the game as I still believe had the game been officiated correctly throughout Mayo would have won because over all they were the better side and best balanced team. My point here is that because of the inept standard of refeering and the GAA's unwilliness to address this we have two many games being adversely effected by poor standards of officiating. The Swings and roundabouts arguement is false and is used when a team and their supporters know it has benefited from poor refing tell that to Louth supporters with Sluddens ineptitude a few years back. Its ignoring the elephant in the room.


The ref was poor, I know that, yet you highlighted a couple of incidents to argue that they may have changed the game. I simply highlighted incidents against Mayo that nobody is mentioning. What is the difference?

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8456 - 26/08/2013 14:32:16    1468488

Yeah speaking of the ref he didn't have a good game yesterday. I would put the blame with Pat McEnaney, I would love to be a fly on the wall in his referee assessor meeting. Too many a good football or hurling match have been ruined by the refereeing dictated by him.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 26/08/2013 14:41:33    1468498

Fair play to Tyrone for putting up a real gutsy preformance yesterday (probably a lack of a Tyrone bench turned the match Mayo's way), at the 30min mark i was seriously worried that it was slipping away. a few players (Keegan and Barrett) really stood up to pull us back into the game. Although we had 10 scorers yesterday our forward were found wanting when hard scores were needed in the first 30 mins. I think Conroy is a must start for the All Ireland, Unfortunately Andy Moran was not at the races again yesterday and i think that has to be his last chance. It maybe a good thing that it was a poor preformance yesterday as it will lower the expectation levels and gives the management team a focus for the final.

BTW - Must say the Tyrone supporters i meet yesterday are a credit to their County - Decent GAA people

2winjustonce (Mayo) - Posts: 65 - 26/08/2013 14:49:31    1468506

The fact is there will be many who will bury their heads about Maurice Deegan's awful performance because Tyrone were on the end of it and they will sniff and say "So what". That takes away from the matter that the referee's decisions turned the game in Mayo's favour. The Sunday Game highlighted only a few decisions in Mayo's favour but you could have had your pick of at least another half dozen. It definately seems that some within the GAA are determined to 'do' Tyrone and that is scandalous. The past few weeks have been a very dark, shameful period for the Association with the non stop attacks on Sean Cavanagh and Tyrone.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9819 - 26/08/2013 14:51:33    1468509

The ref was poor, I know that, yet you highlighted a couple of incidents to argue that they may have changed the game. I simply highlighted incidents against Mayo that nobody is mentioning. What is the difference?

There is no difference. I highlight the issues surrounding his decisions as an example of how poor referees can influence the momentum of a game and can have to much of a bearing on the outcome of games. Players and management put in massive effort to prepare for championship games and supporters go to massive expense to follow their teams surely it is the very least that the GAA can provide impartial competant officials and methods to ensure the effect they have one a game is minimised. The swings and roundabout argument gives them the excuse not to take on the issue. Should referee assessments be put into the public domain ?

Skillful_Bill (Tyrone) - Posts: 102 - 26/08/2013 14:53:47    1468514

The ref was bad to both sides...balanced out. Second half Mayo power was too much for Tir Eoghain...also too many silly wides from the Red Hand.
Nice to see the end of the negative defensive stuff.

maroondiesel (Mayo) - Posts: 1236 - 26/08/2013 14:56:13    1468517

Mayo didn't have a goal disallowed. The ref blew the whistle which stops the game. Therefore Mayo did not score a goal to have it disallowed.

benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1433 - 26/08/2013 15:01:54    1468527

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Mayo didn't have a goal disallowed. The ref blew the whistle which stops the game. Therefore Mayo did not score a goal to have it disallowed.

The ref blew the whistle for no reason and nobody stopped bar Joe McMahon only after Freeman had gone past him, the whistle shouldn't have been blown and Mayo would have had a goal. Technically you are correct but you know the point being made by Mayo people.

TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8456 - 26/08/2013 15:25:57    1468552

There is no doubt that gaelic football is getting bad press at every turn, and it is exacerbated by bad refereeing decisions. There is no excuses any more to have games ruined by inconsistent refereeing decisions as well as the idiotic attempt to gift a team frees for the sake of balancing the books or keeping them in the game.

I hope the game next sunday is given the correct referee for the job, and wish him the best of luck in getting the job done properly. We are talking about referees rather than football a lot recently and that just isnt right. There are too many sacrifices made by teams to go out and face outrageous decisions in the moment.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3852 - 26/08/2013 15:31:56    1468563

Ah back in your box ulsterman. I am here watching the match again. Swings and roundabouts. Tyrone got a few soft frees themselves and the built up to a poi not, the ball was locked off the ground. Ref was bad and missed a lot of thi gs. Indeed Vaughan was lucky he wasn't booked. Why did seegar blow for a free in the Freeman goal, show me the foul?

Good job the aren't too many begrudges in real life. Tyrone fans were excellent yesterday and acknowledged Mayo were the better team.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11656 - 26/08/2013 15:34:50    1468568

I have had my money on Mayo to win the All Ireland for a while now so I was hoping they'd win yesterday's game but at half time I was clearly worried that they were not going to deliver.

The referee's definitely favoured Mayo with his calls yesterday, the time he blew up the play to award Mayo a free and Mayo played on and scored a goal was not unique to the way he officiated the game particularly in the first half nor was it an isolated incident either because he made many very early and questionable calls Mayo's favour which really kept them in touch with Tyrone in the first half. Mayo played poorly in the first half and yet they went in only a point down to Tyrone who dominated the half totally.

The penalty Mayo got early in the second half wasn't even a foul nor was it inside the large parallelogram either. The Mayo player kicked the ground and was falling over by the time the Tyrone man made his tackle on him.

Mayo's big midfielder O'Shea was lucky not to get a red cad I thought for following up with his two knees on a Tyrone player who was lying on the ground after O'Shea had struck him high up in the face.

I'd be a bit concerned about my bet on Mayo after yesterday, Tyrone's long and gruelling championship campaign clearly took it's toll on the players yesterday particularly so in the second half. Tyrone's battling spirit got them to the semi's this year I believe but you need more than battling spirit to win an All Ireland and nobody knows this better than Tyrone.

It looks very like the All Ireland is Dublin's to lose now.

THE_SNAPPER (Louth) - Posts: 2019 - 26/08/2013 15:44:25    1468585