Brolly was totally right. the rules need to be changed quickly so that cynicism can be eroded completely. I was disgusted with what cavanagh did. It should be a straight red offence because its basic cheating. If a mayo player did that I would be saying the same thing. I don't think joe brolly was over the top either. He probably wouldn't have ranted like that if cavanagh didn't the MOTM award. He adores Gaelic football like many of us do. We don't want our younger players copying what cavanagh did today. I know Tyrone aren't the only county at it but today's blatant cynical foul by cavanagh takes the biscuit..... I'm sure it's not the end of it either this weekend until the GAA boffins sort it out....

don492 (Mayo) - Posts: 165 - 03/08/2013 21:44:30    1451873

seanie_boy

I would not necessarily argue against such a rule htaem.Thats not in the rules now though.Sean knew full well what he was doing and that he would not be sent off.Its not pretty but it worked and I'm sure any management team would "forgive" one of their own players for doing the same thing.In fact they would probably forgive them very much thank you.


Listen I've said a few times before that I would have done the exact same thing that Cavanagh done and believe me so would most people, it's not at all a moral issue. This is where Brolly is after completely alienating Tyrone fans, he got on his high horse and made all sorts of ridiculous claims but I'm not interested in any of that because I think it's hollow, headline making nonsense and nothing more.

I'll try not to say much more on this because I'm really going in circles here, but very basically I think the sort of tackle Cavanagh done should warrant a straight red, that's all.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 03/08/2013 21:45:27    1451876

cavanagh done nothing wrong ,he done what he could to help his team win ,thats a fair statment ,the real argument is if cavanagh took the chance on fouling so close to goals was the ref wrong in not sending him off ,because i think cavanagh thought he was getting red carded ,so he was ready to do the time for the crime , so was cavanagh wrong? NO . was the ref wrong not to send him off ? YES. end of story lads.

bisto kid (Cavan) - Posts: 492 - 03/08/2013 21:46:40    1451877

Watching it again there hilarious actually.

Poor Joe was litteraly foaming at the mouth during that rant, he hadto suck in the slabbers a few time LOL

omaghjoe (Tyrone) - Posts: 1191 - 03/08/2013 21:48:55    1451883

Cynical fouling is part and parcel of the game im afraid until the gaa change the rule regarding a professional foul pundits need to stop crying about it no matter how injust that decision was,brolly is very silly if he thinks any other team wouldnt do the same.Cavanagh was hardly going to let him walk the ball into the net,yes it was cynical it should have been red but the rules say yellow,Joe wont be welcome around tyrone/ where his mother hails from/ anytime soon lol.

93vintageyear (Derry) - Posts: 301 - 03/08/2013 21:50:40    1451888

Joe Brolly is a 100% on the mark, Tyron have been getting away with blatant fouling for years, the actions of Sean Cavanagh was nothing more than blatant cheating. Mickey Harte said in his after match interview 'you have to do what it takes to win' well if you have to resort to cheating than I am disgusted.

Knowingly sending your players onto a pitch to undertake such tactics is cheating, in any other sport cheating is frowned upon but in the GAA it is overlooked, fouling of what we seen today should be punished by an automatic red card.

I have watch GAA matches for over 40 years and seen some ding dong battles but what I have witnessed over the past week has left me feeling disgusted. To see such a great sport reach such a low ebb.

Where has fair play and sportsmanship gone within the GAA?

OakGael (Derry) - Posts: 293 - 03/08/2013 21:53:45    1451895

Oakleaf you would want to grow up. Its a cynical game like any other. You would swear GAA is some kind of heavenlg game where no wrong can happen. There were plenty of cynicl instance in the 2nd game and we will see more tomorrow. The abuse Tyrone are getting is absolutly shocking imo. Fair play to Tyrone and good luck for the rest of the year.

07_LK_1973 (Limerick) - Posts: 115 - 03/08/2013 21:58:08    1451908

Could somebody please define what is a cynical foul?
What is the difference in a "cynical" foul and an "ordinary" foul?

If Sean Cavanagh had just pulled his jersey and caused him to loose balance of send ball wide would that have been acceptable foul as often happens in football?

There seems to be 2 tier foul distinction creping in here, one for Tyrone footballers and one for everybody else.

You would think last week was the first time anyone stopped a goal chance by committing a foul on an attacker in on goal and this was only the 2nd time it ever happened. Come in to the real world and remove the blinkers.

Buaiteoir (Tyrone) - Posts: 15 - 03/08/2013 21:58:37    1451909

interesting comments from the derryman and from harte, and food for thought for us all. its now becoming trial by media with the refs the jurors. there was a lot of systematic fouling checking late hits in yesterdays game and i suppose monaghan and rte are focusing on the mcmanus incident as the game was in the balance. peter harte was targeted throughout the game and what was mentioned was his yellow card for a blatant foul. tyrone are not the team of old but are buiding they arent blessed with pace so have to set up a particular way. as for joe he needs an arm around the shoulder from pat and the boys to try and take him back to the funny joe or maybe a wee one to one with the master as he can make all things look positive, cheer up joeseph.

weebox (Tyrone) - Posts: 272 - 04/08/2013 08:09:07    1451916

Westmayo
County: Mayo
Posts: 250

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He called as he saw it along with everyone else in the country, what he said was correct. Hope Donegal/Mayo wipe the floor with poor excuse of so called Gaelic football.
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Wasn't as cynical and dangerous as the shoulder into the chest by Mayo player on Karl Lacey in last years final.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 04/08/2013 08:11:35    1451917

have to agree with joe brolly, he is 100% right, kids will always copy what they see the big name players doing and GAA needs to address this before it gets out of hand. And before our friends in tyrone go on the band wagon of sour grapes I still think Tyrone would have beaten Meath....

Referees should make a stand on this too and not leave it to RTE pundits..... about time they laid down a marker on this.

royalfan1 (Meath) - Posts: 82 - 04/08/2013 08:12:50    1451919

I think Joe and I could have a very beautiful relationship based on our very similar opinions on the kings of cynicism I mean eh Tyrone

MissDownFanatic (Down) - Posts: 411 - 04/08/2013 08:13:19    1451920

Apart from when Brolly said 'He's a grear player but not a man' (or words to that effect) when talking about Cavanagh I challenge anyone here to tell me what was wrong with what Joe said - and I am speaking about the actual words he said (not motives for saying it or anything else like that). Seriously, he's gone ona rant about a rugby tackle and how he's worried this will go through all the way down to under age.

People are on here saying its the rules that are at fault yet i'd imagine a lot of these people are against the black card. I have huge respect for Mickey Harte but find it incredable that he is against the black card. These sort of rugby tackles are a big fault in our game. If people think what Cavanagh did ir right well I for one have a huge problem with that. He did a magnificent game but I definitely would not have given him man of the match after that rugby style tackle. If people cannot see what was wrong with what happened we have big problems in our games and in our mindsets.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 04/08/2013 08:13:48    1451921

Buaiteoir
County: Tyrone
Posts: 2

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Could somebody please define what is a cynical foul?
What is the difference in a "cynical" foul and an "ordinary" foul?

If Sean Cavanagh had just pulled his jersey and caused him to loose balance of send ball wide would that have been acceptable foul as often happens in football?

There seems to be 2 tier foul distinction creping in here, one for Tyrone footballers and one for everybody else.

You would think last week was the first time anyone stopped a goal chance by committing a foul on an attacker in on goal and this was only the 2nd time it ever happened. Come in to the real world and remove the blinkers.
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Cynical fouls are those fouls committed by Tyrone players and ordinary fouls are committed by players from the other 31 counties.That seems to be the gist of it.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 04/08/2013 08:19:29    1451922

of course sean was wrong he should have allowed the player go straight through and score the goal

toe2hand (Galway) - Posts: 223 - 04/08/2013 08:48:27    1451934

don492 from mayo.i would like to ask you a question.mayo are leading by 2 points in the all-ireland final with a couple of minutes to go and the opposition are straight through on goal and lets say keith higgins can stop him scoring a possible winning goal by dragging him down.what would the whole of mayo want him to do.i think there is only one answer

toe2hand (Galway) - Posts: 223 - 04/08/2013 08:56:56    1451937

brolly was dead right
referee should of sent him off along with conor gormely
like the way lester, spillane and o rourke disagree with brolly when they know he is right
donegal to win by 4 or 5

merlin (Clare) - Posts: 61 - 04/08/2013 08:59:39    1451938

1. If anyone has the commentary/footage from McMenamin's goal in the year Dublin won please confirm what it says. As previously said O'Sullivan was vilified for not stopping him/taking him down.

2. I would go as far as to say every club and the majority of people in it would, if there was a chance of them exiting the championship, condone the type of tackle Cavanagh did. Cynical - yes. Dangerous - no. There are fine lines to winning things and Cavanagh was protecting a lead.

3. I actually watched the match delayed and had seen on social media Brolly had a rant so was waiting for it. He did lose the plot and he should never stray into the territory of questioning an amateur Gaelic footballer's character as a man because of a tackle he made on the football field. Let he without sin Joe...for years you grabbed your marker's arm and dragged him down, you wound your marker up. O'Rourke at least caveated any of his comments by saying he playing in a notoriously tough tackling team. Joe didn't.

4. Joe's opinion changes like the wind.

Glensman (Antrim) - Posts: 17 - 04/08/2013 09:09:42    1451943

Bisto kid


The ref was 100% right. What cavanagh did was a yellow card offence.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5270 - 04/08/2013 09:25:21    1451950

It's not just about the Cavanagh incident(most players would have done that),obviously it should be a red in that situation.But it's how Tyrone play the game generally.Now I know this will make some Tyrone people angry,but I really enjoyed Cork and Dublin,but was disgusted by a lot of the Monaghan/Tyrone game..

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 04/08/2013 09:31:14    1451952