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It isnt irrefutable evidence though, it is actually highly spurious. The reaity is the most cynical play is the things that dont get caught, therefore counting the ones that do, and lumping in every type of foul on top of that is far from reliable. For innstace, sean cavanagh has this thing where he grabs a guys hand and dives to win a free. He does it often and has it down to a t. Obviously that totally skews the one and only metric breheny is using, but hey, why bother considering that?
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Now that statement is a complete lie.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 23/08/2013 18:57:20    1466731

Master do you think Sean Cavanagh invented the trick of grabbing a player and diving to win a free?

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8097 - 23/08/2013 19:14:12    1466739

seanie_boy, he done it against monaghan for gods sake - the last game he just played. Got hughes booked in doing so also.

No greenandRed of course not, but that is a simplistic view. I remember padraig joyce getting called for it against ourselves a few years ago. However, cavanagh has brought it on a level, very much like tyrone and cynical play in general. It is true they didnt invent it, but they have developed it and made it more effective. Cavanagh has done this with the dive. I would say it is as much a signature move as his dummy. Now again, did cavanagh invent the dummy? No, but he has developed it and made it very effective, the same applies here.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 23/08/2013 19:40:28    1466757

Comments complaining about Joe Brollys sentiments seem to have difficulty being published. Comments impugning Sean Cavanagh seem to be okay.

tyroneed (Tyrone) - Posts: 753 - 23/08/2013 19:41:42    1466759

TheMaster
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seanie_boy, he done it against monaghan for gods sake - the last game he just played. Got hughes booked in doing so also.
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No he didn't,you are lying.Whats more,Hughes was tackling from behind which is illegal.If a player is doin that and you grab their arm to negate it and in the process go down,no matter how soft it may seem,the player who was in possession should get the free as the other player initiated an illegal tackle,simple.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 24/08/2013 10:06:50    1466849

seanie_boy
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1466849 TheMaster
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seanie_boy, he done it against monaghan for gods sake - the last game he just played. Got hughes booked in doing so also.
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No he didn't,you are lying.Whats more,Hughes was tackling from behind which is illegal.If a player is doin that and you grab their arm to negate it and in the process go down,no matter how soft it may seem,the player who was in possession should get the free as the other player initiated an illegal tackle,simple.

He's not lying. Sean Cavanagh pulled Hughes arm and pulled him down. The tackle was from the side and was directed at the ball. That incident was played back at the time on the big screen and the crowd very audibly reacted and showed their disapproval at the decision. I don't often agree with Master but there is no doubt that Cavanagh pulled Hughes down. It is to be sincerely hoped that we won't be discussing incidents of this nature on Sunday evening and that both sides will refrain from cynical fouling. It is to be hoped even more sincerely that Sean Cavanagh won't extend his run of three yellow cards in three successive games for rugby tackling to four yellow cards in four successive games for rugby tackling. It is also to be sincerely hoped that Sean Cavanagh won't be the victim of cynical fouling himself.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6181 - 24/08/2013 10:34:42    1466857

I disagree Greengrass,the tackle is more from behind.Therefore the end result is a free to the man in possession.If the tackling hand is coming between the arm and side/torso area of the player in possession its coming from behind most likely,at least when its initiated.If the tackle was coming from the side it would be coming over the the top of the arm of the player in possession,thats not what happened.If you are being tackled that way and you tried to grab the arm of the tackler to stop it and go down its a free because the tackle is illegal.I know you are trying to be fair and objective and I don't want to get into a big thing with you over this as its already been talked to death.The other fella has no interest in being fair and objective on most issues and therefore I must confront him just for the sake of it.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 24/08/2013 10:51:14    1466865

No problem Seanie. We'll agree to disagree as it has been talked to death. Best of luck tomorrow and enjoy the day come what may.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6181 - 24/08/2013 11:29:43    1466894

Master I don't have a view, simplistic or otherwise. I asked a question requiring just a yes or no answer.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 8097 - 24/08/2013 13:13:28    1466964

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No problem Seanie. We'll agree to disagree as it has been talked to death. Best of luck tomorrow and enjoy the day come what may.
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Thanks Greengrass.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 24/08/2013 19:10:42    1467197

its coming close to a year, to when Joe Brolly called this Mayo team 'useless' and 'chokers', at the same time he was talking about how he'd never seen a team like this Donegal team and how the genius of Jim McGuinness would not be unravelled no matter who the opposition was. A year later, now he has never seen a team as good as Mayo (the same group of players he aimed fire at) and Donegal didn't have an off day in the quarters, they were just overwhelmed by a better team. Mickey Harte once said in an interview, he'd love to see pundits held accountable for their claims, he said a pundit will tell you exactly how the match will go, at half time it has went the opposite way than was predicted and then the pundit will tell you why it has went that way without holding themselves accountable. I think it sums up Brolly perfectly as a pundit, he tells people he speaks the truth, but he only tells the truth selectively, it may well be his opinion but has he ever told the truth that he was wrong about a team? it seems to be swept under the carpet very quickly.

Topa_the_left (Antrim) - Posts: 250 - 25/08/2013 14:59:45    1467563