brendtheredhand
County: Tyrone
Posts: 7914

1455909 Poor Joe, wannabe Mother Teresa and full time media junkie, being called out by a pro. Pity the sheeple of HS couldn't apply the same thought process before spewing their bile.

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I read that article brend. It is stupid, dishonest, hypocritical dung .

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6181 - 07/08/2013 20:08:30    1455918

Depends on who you believe has an agenda greengrass, I know who my moneys on.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 07/08/2013 20:14:07    1455924

Martin Breheny is spot on, Brolly played the man not the ball to further indulge his own ego.

I agree wholeheartedly with his sentiment that a dramatic irrational rant can be taken seriously as part of a debate.

Its a comedy show, but RTE have been doing it for years with Dunphy and George Hook and the Irish public lap it up, time we took a stand ignored what they say until they express their opinions in a fair and balanced way and most importantly with manners!

omaghjoe (Tyrone) - Posts: 1191 - 07/08/2013 20:21:18    1455936

brendtheredhand
County: Tyrone
Posts: 7915

1455924 Depends on who you believe has an agenda greengrass, I know who my moneys on.

The substance of what Brolly said apart from what he said about "Cavanagh the man" was justified Brendan. Breheny is contradicting what he said a few weeks ago when he criticised cynical football and cynical footballers. He can't have it both ways. Finally to say Cavanagh's motivation and actions were more honourable than Brolly's motivation and actions shows a warped understanding of what is honourable and what is not.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6181 - 07/08/2013 20:50:50    1456007

Greengrass
County: Louth
Posts: 2712

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brendtheredhand
County: Tyrone
Posts: 7915

1455924 Depends on who you believe has an agenda greengrass, I know who my moneys on.

The substance of what Brolly said apart from what he said about "Cavanagh the man" was justified Brendan. Breheny is contradicting what he said a few weeks ago when he criticised cynical football and cynical footballers. He can't have it both ways. Finally to say Cavanagh's motivation and actions were more honourable than Brolly's motivation and actions shows a warped understanding of what is honourable and what is not.

Breheny did not suggest that he supported cynical play merely gave a valid argument to contradict Brolly's assertion that it does not happen in any sport other than gaa. Secondly the point he is making is that Cavanagh's act was to benefit the team, the collective as opposed to the selfish egocentric self propagation that Brolly was at.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10200707314343173&set=a.2840403287136.2123005.1170902734&type=1&theater.

It must be great to be whiter than white and claim the moral high ground

omaghredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 3656 - 07/08/2013 21:23:29    1456050

omaghredhand
County: Tyrone
Posts: 3628

1456050 Greengrass
County: Louth
Posts: 2712

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brendtheredhand
County: Tyrone
Posts: 7915

1455924 Depends on who you believe has an agenda greengrass, I know who my moneys on.

The substance of what Brolly said apart from what he said about "Cavanagh the man" was justified Brendan. Breheny is contradicting what he said a few weeks ago when he criticised cynical football and cynical footballers. He can't have it both ways. Finally to say Cavanagh's motivation and actions were more honourable than Brolly's motivation and actions shows a warped understanding of what is honourable and what is not.

Breheny did not suggest that he supported cynical play merely gave a valid argument to contradict Brolly's assertion that it does not happen in any sport other than gaa. Secondly the point he is making is that Cavanagh's act was to benefit the team, the collective as opposed to the selfish egocentric self propagation that Brolly was at.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10200707314343173&set=a.2840403287136.2123005.1170902734&type=1&theater.

It must be great to be whiter than white and claim the moral high ground

Brolly's point was not that cynical play does not happen in any other sport. Cynical play happens in all sports. His point was that every other sport have sanctions that fit the crime. Red card in soccer and the sin bin in rugby. We have a yellow card that is no deterrant. You can pick up as many of these yellows in successive matches as you like as Sean Cavanagh has demonstrated to devastating effect.

Secondly the point he is making is that Cavanagh's act was to benefit the team, the collective as opposed to the selfish egocentric self propagation that Brolly was at

This drivel is absolutely hilarious. So now all of a sudden Cavanagh is the virtuous, noble, individual because his serial cheating is for the benefit of the team and not himself. My, my but isn't his self sacrifice of staggering proportions. Meanwhile Brolly for highlighting this diving and rugby tackling is selfish and egocentric. You have seriously warped priorities. You and Breheny would make good bedfellows
And while you're at it spare me the self righteous sanctimony about the high moral ground. Sean Cavanagh, a great footballer chooses to cheat again and again. Nothing more, nothing less.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6181 - 07/08/2013 21:54:42    1456111

Sean Cavanagh, a great footballer chooses to cheat again and again. Nothing more, nothing less.

GreenGrass - Taking performance enhancing drugs to gain an unfair advantage over your opponent is call cheating. Commiting a foul like Sean Cavanagh did is called breaking a rule. Its not cheating. The rules of the game should provide sanctions which deter teams from commiting a foul. The sanctions are not severe enough obviously in the current GAA rule book for such a tackle as Sean carried out. If a team can avoid losing a very important match by breaking a few rules they are going to do it.

cacsmckilly (Tyrone) - Posts: 1294 - 08/08/2013 09:35:34    1456161

Maybe let this one go now lads as it seems that Brolly has apologized to Sean.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 08/08/2013 09:48:49    1456174

For the small and ever decreasing openminded posters on this forum. Read this article by Paddy Heaney an award winning "Derry" journalist who sets the tone and context for this article. I have experienced the "Gra" in Derry for all things Tyrone so be aware that this is not reflex or paranoid defence but an objective and illustrated rebuttal to this nonsense.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/paddy-heaney/paddy-heaney-foxes-in-trouble-as-rte-hounds-get-scent-of-blood-239244.html

Tyronetim (Tyrone) - Posts: 1254 - 08/08/2013 10:07:21    1456183

seanie_boy
County: Tyrone

Maybe let this one go now lads as it seems that Brolly has apologized to Sean.



+1

TheGateKeeper (Tyrone) - Posts: 2843 - 08/08/2013 10:34:10    1456207

cacsmckilly
County: Tyrone
Posts: 843

1456161 Sean Cavanagh, a great footballer chooses to cheat again and again. Nothing more, nothing less.

GreenGrass - Taking performance enhancing drugs to gain an unfair advantage over your opponent is call cheating. Commiting a foul like Sean Cavanagh did is called breaking a rule. Its not cheating. The rules of the game should provide sanctions which deter teams from commiting a foul. The sanctions are not severe enough obviously in the current GAA rule book for such a tackle as Sean carried out. If a team can avoid losing a very important match by breaking a few rules they are going to do it

Taking performance enhancing drugs is cheating. However persistent diving and persistent rugby tackling your opponents is also cheating. What Sean Cavanagh did to Conor McManus was cheating. Sean Cavanagh has now done this three times in a row. It has to stop and it has to stop now.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6181 - 08/08/2013 10:37:03    1456209

cacsmckilly
County: Tyrone
Posts: 843



GreenGrass - Taking performance enhancing drugs to gain an unfair advantage over your opponent is call cheating. Commiting a foul like Sean Cavanagh did is called breaking a rule.

CORRECT

Its not cheating.

CORRECT

The rules of the game should provide sanctions which deter teams from commiting a foul. The sanctions are not severe enough obviously in the current GAA rule book for such a tackle as Sean carried out.

CORRECT

If a team can avoid losing a very important match by breaking a few rules they are going to do it.

CORRECT

all this pathetic hand-wringing reminds me of when terry henry handled the ball in the play off - then ya had that Delaney character out with the begging bowl looking for an extra spot at the world cup and making a show of us.

there's nothing more pathetic than grown men cryin and whinging. sure most of the whingers didn't even understand that Cavanagh couldn't even get a red for the fowl! some performance, some player - well deserved motm, he was the difference between the teams and no doubt about it.

Horse (Laois) - Posts: 1146 - 08/08/2013 10:38:39    1456211

cacsmcsilly, wrong, wrong and wrong again;

Cheating; act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage

Its very simple.

jamesjoyce (Derry) - Posts: 126 - 08/08/2013 10:42:47    1456212

Not at all seanie_boy, he apologised for how one part of his point came across, as he didnt mean it that way. Nobody agreed with that part anyway. He has stood by the part we are talking about. The only issue I have with what brolly done is that back when he was supporting tyrone, they were doing the same thing. However, I suppose calling it as it is at this stage is better than not calling it at all.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 08/08/2013 10:43:35    1456214

seanie_boy
County: Tyrone
Posts: 2661

1456174 Maybe let this one go now lads as it seems that Brolly has apologized to Sean.

Joe Brolly has apologised and rightly so for imputing Sean Cavanagh's character in his private life. Another apology is due. That apology is due from Sean Cavanagh for his actions over the last three matches he has played as they have seriously undermined the spirit and ethos of the game. I await that apology. Finally as actions speak louder than words it is to be sincerely hoped that we have seen the last of his diving and rugby tackling. That would definitively put this matter to bed.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6181 - 08/08/2013 10:43:45    1456215

I see now that the CCC is to investigate incidents at half time in other words suspend Conor Gormley.

Incidents are being investigated based upon whatever a biased RTE highlight. Example, Galvin punched Noel O Leary in Munster Final in full view of cameras and linesman but not highlighted by RTE analysts therefore no investigation. Likewise when Sheridan punched Joe Mc Mahon in Meath versus Tyrone.

These investigations seem to happen more against Tyrone.

tyroneed (Tyrone) - Posts: 753 - 08/08/2013 10:46:35    1456217

Think Joe has actually showed a great act of decency by apologising for his 'you can forget about him as a man' line. Despite being totally pro-Joe and agreeing with what he said, I felt that line was maybe a bit out of order. It's funny how as soon as he said something wrong everyone jumped at him yet as soon as he comes out and rights his wrong everyone is tight lipped. Anyway, think seanie_boy is right, time to move on

MissDownFanatic (Down) - Posts: 411 - 08/08/2013 10:47:18    1456220

Tyronetim
County: Tyrone
Posts: 1123

1456183 For the small and ever decreasing openminded posters on this forum. Read this article by Paddy Heaney an award winning "Derry" journalist who sets the tone and context for this article. I have experienced the "Gra" in Derry for all things Tyrone so be aware that this is not reflex or paranoid defence but an objective and illustrated rebuttal to this nonsense.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/columnists/paddy-heaney/paddy-heaney-foxes-in-trouble-as-rte-hounds-get-scent-of-blood-239244.html

I read that article in The Irish News on Tuesday. I felt it was the most considered article I had read on the subject. The caricaturing of the Tyrone players did make for very unfair and stilted comment and the failure to highlight the cynicism of other teams also was entirely unfair. The complete failure to even highlight the cynicism of the Cork hurlers in the last five minutes of their game against Kilkenny is even more unfair. However the article falls on it's failure to objectively confront the persistent, systematic cynicism of Sean Cavanagh and his team mates. The article in so doing ignores what they have done. It effectively dilutes the seriousness of what has happened most particularly his tackle on Conor McManus. That tackle sickened every fair minded football supporter in Croke Park as a result of just how brazen it was. To caricature people who disagree with your opinion as being close minded is to avoid what is a very serious issue facing football in general and Sean Cavanagh in particular. It is most certainly not nonsense. Brolly has done the GAA some service. Remember he highlighted this on the evening of the Meath game.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6181 - 08/08/2013 10:58:50    1456241

That article is a bit much. Saying that because o'rourke didnt give an example of the cynical play, he is somehow wrong - there were loads of examples that we had just seen with our own two eyes, he didnt need to go highlighting them, we knew them already. Similarly, they pointed out the cynical play but tried to balance it after brolly went off like he did, that is pretty standard, I dont see how that is somehow a talking point.
Finally, what is wrong with describing the likes of gormley as wiley old foxes? That is exactly what they are. People referred to fabio cannavaro as a wiley old fox. It isnt a slight. This always the victim stuff becomes tiresome after a while. Your team cheated both meath and monaghan out of late goal chances and won both games by two points, you cant expect to not take some flak over that.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 08/08/2013 10:59:04    1456242

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I notice none of our Tyrone brethren are denying the diving claims and instead trying to imply that Paul Galvin does this weekly. I think I've only seen Galvin take a dive about 4 times yet he's pilloried as one of the worst offenders.

Dooher probably took more dives in the first half of the 2005 All-Ireland than Galvin took in his career.

kingdom_come (Kerry) - Posts: 83 - 08/08/2013 11:21:32    1456274