If Tadgh Kennelly and Kerry had received even a tenth of the criticism, insults and tirade that Sean Cavanagh and Tyrone have received I would say "No problem what's sauce for the goose...." but the sheer hypocrisy is nauseating, stomach churning and stinks to the high heavens. While undoubtedly the better team on Saturday at times Kerry dragged, pulled and cynically stopped Cavan players in scoring positions and there hasn't been a word said. Kerry topped the foul charts and again nothing said and people call Ulster GAA folk paranoid??? It's there in black and white FFS!

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9819 - 07/08/2013 14:07:26    1455436

All of ye who agree with Brolly ( and how long before this weekend did ye feel so strongly about cynical fouling ) go to your clubs AGM in a few months time and if you are a paid up member propose a foul category and a punishment to go with it for the foul that you all feel so strongly about this week. If your club pases that proposal it will go before your county convention and it may go to congress. Rugby has the "penalty try" and soccer has the red card for the " last man foul" , so it can be done. I would like to know how many of ye contacted the "Football Review Board" and asked for action to be taken on cynical fouling. All this talk, messages and time wasted, based on the rant of Brolly behaving like a brat who did'nt get his way in the school yard playground at break is ridiculous and we in the last stages of two of the best championships in years.

Clubgaa (Limerick) - Posts: 879 - 07/08/2013 14:52:45    1455494

Is it too much to ask people to make a distinction between campaigning for a change in the rules of the GAA and making a personal attack on national television against a player and manager who did nothing more than what any defender of any county would be expected to do in 2013 or in any of the last 100 years of the GAA history in exactly similar circumstances ? It's the rules that have to be changed if we want to change that reality. Don't blame individuals like Sean Cavanagh or Mickey Harte. And don't attack the character and good name of anybody like Sean Cavanagh on national TV. That (Joe's show on RTE TV) was a total disgrace.

michael (Cork) - Posts: 381 - 07/08/2013 14:55:37    1455498

The Sunday game is an entertainment piece, the pannelists are there to get a reaction and the mock outrage of Brolly was laughable. if it was really serious discussion programme they would point to the equally "cynical" fould perpetrated on the Cork player who was pulled back as he was about to shoot for goal in the Dublin game, the kerry player who punched the Cavan player........

It's designed to get maximum reaction Folks


.....That's entertainment folks!!!!!!

Edenburt15 (Cavan) - Posts: 723 - 07/08/2013 15:10:02    1455520

I don't often agree with Joe but he is absolutely right on this. And if nothing more it will change the rules come Congress.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 07/08/2013 15:16:41    1455530

congress arn't influenced by the sunday game now thats comedy gold

Edenburt15 (Cavan) - Posts: 723 - 07/08/2013 15:34:48    1455556

Ulsterman its all a southern media led campaign by partitionist free staters that want nothing to do with the nordies. :)

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 07/08/2013 15:44:56    1455576

Clubgaa
County: Limerick
Posts: 601

1455494
All of ye who agree with Brolly ( and how long before this weekend did ye feel so strongly about cynical fouling ) go to your clubs AGM in a few months time and if you are a paid up member propose a foul category and a punishment to go with it for the foul that you all feel so strongly about this week. If your club pases that proposal it will go before your county convention and it may go to congress. Rugby has the "penalty try" and soccer has the red card for the " last man foul" , so it can be done. I would like to know how many of ye contacted the "Football Review Board" and asked for action to be taken on cynical fouling. All this talk, messages and time wasted, based on the rant of Brolly behaving like a brat who did'nt get his way in the school yard playground at break is ridiculous and we in the last stages of two of the best championships in years.

Good piece, but i think the process your describing above is part of the problem! The change process in antiquated, slow and far too bureaucratic. That system worked when the GAA wasn't taken so seriously, but in the last 20 years, definitely in the last 10, many GAA counties have adopted an approach that is all but professional in name. Game structures are analyzed forensically and every side will strive to gain an edge that will help them win. If that edge contradicts the ethos of the game, then teams will use it to win as long as they can. Brolly's rant was wrong on a personal level but he was correct on one point. The black card is only the beginning of a serious of proposals that are needed to clean up gaelic football.

But i firmly believe the current processes of congress are unworkable, people will advocate they are democratic but its often only a watered-down version of whats needed that gets through simply because too many delegates have too many agenda's. Democracy is a theoretically sound moral principle, but it only really works when you vote in a group of people who then make decisions. Turkeys will never vote for christmas and all that entails. In my view, the rules of the game aspect of the GAA needs to be separated from congress. Its needs and expert group that have the authority to bring in expert and objective analysis to see how the rules of the game can be better structured. Last year such a group was established but it still had go through an avenue that could reject the reason why it was established in the first place. Im not advocating a dictatorship here, the expert panel can be chosen democratically, but once chosen they must be empowered and let get to work. They can start by defining the gaelic football tackle, and then move onto how to deal with the tackling styles of other sports in gaelic football.

seany16 (Dublin) - Posts: 1663 - 07/08/2013 16:03:37    1455602

royaldunne
County: Meath
Posts: 4580

1455530 I don't often agree with Joe but he is absolutely right on this. And if nothing more it will change the rules come Congress.

What are you doing back here? Thought you had hung up your keyboard....Are you less confident now of the quality of Divison 3 sides?

cacsmckilly (Tyrone) - Posts: 1294 - 07/08/2013 16:05:25    1455605

Tadhg.For once and for all. Just think about how it is pronounced. It ends with a 'g'.

Admin please paste this at the start of any thread related to cynicism in Kerry football. It's easy to narrow them down-

1. Eliminate all the purely hurling threads
2. Ta-dah!

an tseabhac (Kerry) - Posts: 441 - 07/08/2013 16:16:48    1455612

seany16
County: Dublin
Posts: 1091

1455602 Clubgaa
County: Limerick
Posts: 601

1455494
All of ye who agree with Brolly ( and how long before this weekend did ye feel so strongly about cynical fouling ) go to your clubs AGM in a few months time and if you are a paid up member propose a foul category and a punishment to go with it for the foul that you all feel so strongly about this week. If your club pases that proposal it will go before your county convention and it may go to congress. Rugby has the "penalty try" and soccer has the red card for the " last man foul" , so it can be done. I would like to know how many of ye contacted the "Football Review Board" and asked for action to be taken on cynical fouling. All this talk, messages and time wasted, based on the rant of Brolly behaving like a brat who did'nt get his way in the school yard playground at break is ridiculous and we in the last stages of two of the best championships in years.

Good piece, but i think the process your describing above is part of the problem! The change process in antiquated, slow and far too bureaucratic. That system worked when the GAA wasn't taken so seriously, but in the last 20 years, definitely in the last 10, many GAA counties have adopted an approach that is all but professional in name. Game structures are analyzed forensically and every side will strive to gain an edge that will help them win. If that edge contradicts the ethos of the game, then teams will use it to win as long as they can. Brolly's rant was wrong on a personal level but he was correct on one point. The black card is only the beginning of a serious of proposals that are needed to clean up gaelic football.

But i firmly believe the current processes of congress are unworkable, people will advocate they are democratic but its often only a watered-down version of whats needed that gets through simply because too many delegates have too many agenda's. Democracy is a theoretically sound moral principle, but it only really works when you vote in a group of people who then make decisions. Turkeys will never vote for christmas and all that entails. In my view, the rules of the game aspect of the GAA needs to be separated from congress. Its needs and expert group that have the authority to bring in expert and objective analysis to see how the rules of the game can be better structured. Last year such a group was established but it still had go through an avenue that could reject the reason why it was established in the first place. Im not advocating a dictatorship here, the expert panel can be chosen democratically, but once chosen they must be empowered and let get to work. They can start by defining the gaelic football tackle, and then move onto how to deal with the tackling styles of other sports in gaelic football.

Excellent post Seany. Congress is the single biggest obstacle to progress and improvement in the playing rules of Gaelic Games. The formulation of playing rules should be removed from the remit of Congress. There is a glaring weakness in football at the moment that needs to be remedied urgently. In order for that to happen we must go through the tortuous process of formulating measures that we believe would be acceptable to Congress and subsequent to that the delegates of congress would have to be lobbied in order to secure the necessary two thirds majority to bring these measures in to being. This is sheer madness. The structures you propose are eminently acceptable and should be introduced. Unfortunately I can never see that happening.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6181 - 07/08/2013 16:32:48    1455637

Why is everybody ignoring the fact Sean Cavanagh,dives,in nearly every match he plays?

Why is everybody ignoring the fact that Sean Cavanagh and his Tyrone team mates make blatant personal fouls every match they play?

Why is everybody ignoring the fact clean image Mickey Harte sends them out to play like this?

Why is everybody ignoring the fact Joe Brolly was saying what most people were thinking,apart from Tyrone people,and the programmed robots on the sunday game,who a week before this were calling Tyrone the same thing in a different manner.?


The truth only suits some people in the GAA.

The GAA has many problems that havent been sorted out,2 serious ones

1.Why has only 1 inter-county ground got hawk-eye,surely this is an unfair advantage to teams not playing in croke park.Every county ground in the GAA should have it,if not then it should be taken out of Croke park,because teams are been CHEATED out of scores unless the play in Croke park.

2.Referee's all given the same rules,but inforce them differently............why are we as players,supporters putting up with this,from club level up its a joke.

Remember Louth in 2010,up roar for a week,then all forgotten about,the GAA were more worried about people on the pitch,who wanted to know why they were CHEATED out of winning a title?

While the ref in question did not face any action over his behaviour towards players from Louth.And we all know were the ref is from!

As i said the truth only suits some people in the GAA,this week it suits us as Monaghan people, because we were wronged.

Next week it will be someone eles,but until we all as club members and members of the GAA stand up and do something this will continue.

The Black Card is only the start,but those who CHEAT should be punished with a more severe penalty.

hardcore (Monaghan) - Posts: 1366 - 07/08/2013 16:42:11    1455656

TheGateKeeper
County: Tyrone
Posts: 2251
1437852
No problem gatekeeper. Its all in for both. Just one addition. Looser must be on Sunday. So winner can sufficiently gloat. :-)
royaldunne


No additions roydaldunne, the bet has
been agreed upon!
You can gloat all you want if you win,
but if your beaten on Saturday, that's
it, and vice versa, end of... ;)

royaldunne
County: Meath
Posts: 4576
1437860
@gatekeeper. Fair enough.




This man does not stand by his word!

TheGateKeeper (Tyrone) - Posts: 2843 - 07/08/2013 17:06:45    1455688

Seany and Greengrass, I dont fully agree with the process myself of clubs, county conventions and then Congress for getting motions pr proposals passed, BUT that is the system right now and if it needs changing then that change must be pushed from the grassroots up. The review boards that have been put in place over the years always put their proposal as an all or nothing, but eventually a watered down version gets agreed. As of now the only way to make changes is through the club up or when the next review board is in place petetion them and get Eugene McGee or his successor to push your agenda.

Clubgaa (Limerick) - Posts: 879 - 07/08/2013 17:24:18    1455721

Just read Joe Brolly had to apologize...Um for what exactly? Here you go Joe sit there and give the country your opinions that's what we pay you to do. So a passionate football man gives his opinions and all of a sudden its out of line...

crossfieldball (Galway) - Posts: 650 - 07/08/2013 17:26:06    1455727

@ cacs and gate.
Tyrone cheated way to victory as brolly said so bet null and void. I'm back and #### the begrudging.
Hon the Royal.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 07/08/2013 17:32:23    1455738

crossfieldball
County: Galway
just read Joe Brolly had to apologize...Um for what exactly? Here you go Joe sit there and give the country your opinions that's what we pay you to do. So a passionate football man gives his opinions and all of a sudden its out of line...

He apologized for spouting untruths about the
Swatragh club from Derry, probably because he
is from Derry and knows where his bread is buttered,
but then if you had bothered to read the article
instead of the headline you would have gathered that!

TheGateKeeper (Tyrone) - Posts: 2843 - 07/08/2013 17:35:22    1455746

royaldunne
County: Meath
Posts: 4584

1455738
@ cacs and gate.
Tyrone cheated way to victory as brolly said so bet null and void. I'm back and #### the begrudging.
Hon the Royal.



This poster does not stand by his word!

TheGateKeeper (Tyrone) - Posts: 2843 - 07/08/2013 17:36:20    1455747

@ cacs and gate.
Tyrone cheated way to victory as brolly said so bet null and void. I'm back and #### the begrudging.
Hon the Royal.

Maybe if Meath had've been ahead in the first place Tyrone wouldn't have needed to commit cynical fouls in the last few minutes.

MichaelO (Tyrone) - Posts: 820 - 07/08/2013 17:36:21    1455748

Good point about the diving. No team does as much of this as Tyrone. Sure, Paul Galvin has had a couple of incidents, but Brian Dooher was a disgrace in my opinion. For about 10 years you couldn't get near him without his hitting the deck and getting a free out of it.

Lol a couple of incidents. Brilliant.

MichaelO (Tyrone) - Posts: 820 - 07/08/2013 17:37:11    1455749