Conor McManus (on Sean Cavanagh) = "He did what he had to do......ultimately Tyrone are in an All-Ireland semi-final and we're out". Go to 36mins for Conor McManus on the whole incident if you's want.

Good sensible comments from Conor, these things are obviously cripplingly disappointing but you have to move on from them, it's either that or stay stuck in the past forever.

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 06/08/2013 21:46:32    1454929

Seanie boy. My concern is for the future of the game. people are going on about what happened in the past, who did what etc etc.
Nobody suffered from cynical play more than yourselves and perhaps mayo in the 90's.
The point here is why has it never stopped. The main reason is that nobody has ever spoken up strongly enough about it. Brolly did, and maybe, just maybe, the response to his rant might result in something finally being done about it

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1069 - 06/08/2013 21:58:58    1454958

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Seanie boy. My concern is for the future of the game. people are going on about what happened in the past, who did what etc etc.
Nobody suffered from cynical play more than yourselves and perhaps mayo in the 90's.
The point here is why has it never stopped. The main reason is that nobody has ever spoken up strongly enough about it. Brolly did, and maybe, just maybe, the response to his rant might result in something finally being done about it.
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I have no problem with people wanting to take cynicism out of the game as much as possible.This is about disgraceful personal attacks on our players and manager and the singling out of our county as the worst perpetrators of cynicism in football.The same weekend that Sean Cavanagh committed this pull down,Corks Goulding did the same,where's the outrage?Corks Shields also "cheated" to deny a goal by making an illegal pick up,again no outrage.Aidan O' Shea got sent of and still got man of the match and standing ovation,which he deserved,but where was the outrage?Would Brolly have a pint with the Cork boys in spite of their cheating tactics? He made the whole thing about Sean Cavanagh and Mickey Harte and Tyrone.Its not lost on Tyrone people that he works for RTE who Mickey Harte and our players don't talk to.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 07/08/2013 09:12:47    1454987

Htaem,

3 words for you - Joe Sheridan Louth. He's probably the only player to have perpetrated a greater injustice than Cavanagh's back to back cheating.

I don't care what anyone says, McManus or anyone else. McManus can't start moaning because he'll be accused of sour grapes or someone on here will start going on about that time he tapped a guys ankles when he was U12.

What Cavanagh did was wrong. If I did it, I'd be wrong. Its cheating plain and simple no matter who does it.

kingdom_come (Kerry) - Posts: 83 - 07/08/2013 09:18:50    1454993

Muineachain Abu,

Good point about the diving. No team does as much of this as Tyrone. Sure, Paul Galvin has had a couple of incidents, but Brian Dooher was a disgrace in my opinion. For about 10 years you couldn't get near him without his hitting the deck and getting a free out of it.

kingdom_come (Kerry) - Posts: 83 - 07/08/2013 09:21:53    1454995

All these people defending cavanagh is understandable. He is a fantastic footballer and up until a few weeks ago he has been a fantastic role model. However even his most ardent fans must admit what he did was a form of cheating. It is illegal to do it in the game hence the yellow card. You can polish it up and come at it from any angle you want but the bottom line is a Monaghan player(and a meath player) was brought down illegally in order for Tyrone to advance in the competition. Cheating, and somebody who partakes in cheating is known as a cheat.

JohnMitchel (Dublin) - Posts: 178 - 07/08/2013 09:31:33    1454999

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Bosco, outstanding post on the Ulster teams on the last page.

kingdom_come (Kerry) - Posts: 83 - 07/08/2013 09:44:44    1455006

The problem is that players know it pays to do what Cavanagh did as the penalty is only a yellow card and yellow cards dont accumulate. If the player knew he would be facing a red card and maybe missing a final he might think differently. At the moment the odds are stacked in favour of cheating and its only going to get worse as people see it pays to take a man down as he heads for goal. Over to the GAA to addresss the problem now.

murof (Kildare) - Posts: 480 - 07/08/2013 09:48:28    1455009

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Muineachain Abu,

Good point about the diving. No team does as much of this as Tyrone. Sure, Paul Galvin has had a couple of incidents, but Brian Dooher was a disgrace in my opinion. For about 10 years you couldn't get near him without his hitting the deck and getting a free out of it.
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The best one I ever seen though was Aidan O Mahony getting Donnchadh O Connor sent of after he got a wee tip on the cheek and fell down like a sack of spuds as if he had just been clobbered with a sledge hammer.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 07/08/2013 10:03:36    1455030

Listened to Brolly again on the radio again last night and while I think he went over the top in his criticism at the weekend his points are sound. Said he wanted to show Sean Cavanagh and Tyrone as an example because he's a top player and they are a top team and they set an example for how kids and club teams play the game around the country and if the current level of cynical play at the top level seeps into the grass roots then the game will suffer.
I look at it this way - If Conor McManus had got through and goaled it would have been the moment of the football weekend but we were robbed of that moment due to cynical play. Had Owen Mulligan been dragged down before that wonder goal V Dublin or Kevin Mcmenamin been taken out before his goal in the 2011 final then the game would be the worse for not having these fantastic defining moments. We now need to protect the game as a spectacle as a win at all costs is entering the game from the top level down and the I'm afraid the days of playing the game in the right spirit are going if not already gone at many levels.

blacknamber (Kerry) - Posts: 267 - 07/08/2013 10:15:38    1455045

Bosco, you love the sound of your own typing it must be said, any chance you can summarise your thoughts for the day into a shorter form as opposed to a third year students desertation?

Your dislike of everything Tyrone is very distasteul, poisionous and toxic. Your a man who doesnt like change, doesnt like to see the game played in any other way but according to your own ideals. Man to Man marking no doubt, No sweeper system, No blanket defences

I can imagine how you live, you probably are connected to the internet via dial up system as you didnt like the change to broadband although its much more effective. Your sitting at home living like they did in the 70'S, watching Dirty Harry re-runs and driving an old ford escort.

Get with the times, move on!

cacsmckilly (Tyrone) - Posts: 1294 - 07/08/2013 10:38:51    1455076

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Consider me chastened *cringes at the thought of O'Mahony's poor acting*

Dooher still the master though.

kingdom_come (Kerry) - Posts: 83 - 07/08/2013 10:46:26    1455091

Lads, bosco is spot on there, and raises a good point - if everyone is just anti-ulster, then why is it that when ulster dominated football in the early 90s they got no animosity whatsoever? The difference between then and tyrone in the 00s was the football, no more no less.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 07/08/2013 10:50:01    1455101

The Master...

Go to my earlier post to find the reason between the 90s and the last decade!

Lifford Gael (Donegal) - Posts: 1925 - 07/08/2013 11:00:25    1455121

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Well said The Right Stuff

Let's call a spade a spade here... I never witnessed any of the abuse hurled towards my beloved province until the beginning of the last decade when Ulster counties started winning All Ireland's again. As far as I'm concerned this anti Ulster abuse originated with one man and one man only - a panellist on the Sunday Game and later presenter of the Sunday Game who invented the term 'Puke Football' when Ulster counties dared to defeat his own county in All Ireland semi finals and finals...the rest of southern society ran with this terminology over time as this individual was given a platform every Sunday to air his bigoted anti Ulster tirade as supposed crimes against football. I don't blame Irish society for picking up on this media brainwashing with the national broadcaster being used as the medium for its transmission but I am disappointed that Irish society was not able to decipher the facts from the opinions of one individual. That is what really gauls me the most. The last straw for me was on Sunday in Croke Park with a Mayo woman sitting directly behind me roaring encouragement to her team with the words 'C'mon Mayo, we play real football - not cynical football like those northern boys'. Needless to say I gave her an earful but I have to ask myself is it time for me to reevaluate my sense of Irishness and what it means to be Irish in the context of continual racist abuse (for that is what it is) by people who I thought I shared nationality with...!

Lifford Gael (Donegal) - Posts: 1925 - 07/08/2013 11:03:11    1455129

cacsmckilly ,
you're now entering the phase 2 of the typical response exhibited from some elements within Ulster. Start attacking the poster. You haven't the first clue who I am or what I'm like but I'm glad to see you're engaging in this sort of childish personal attack. It's arrival is almost reassuring to be honest.
You say people are wrong to question Cavanagh's scruples as a man on foot of his behaviour on the football field? Well similarly do me the courtesy of not making outlandish statements about me and my character because of a comment on an Internet forum about Gaelic football. Or don't! I don't care.
Address the points I raised boss, play the ball not the man.
Oh the irony!!!!

Bosco (Carlow) - Posts: 664 - 07/08/2013 11:03:25    1455130

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Consider me chastened *cringes at the thought of O'Mahony's poor acting*

Dooher still the master though.
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Why cringe?He did it perfectly.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 07/08/2013 11:21:56    1455159

Kingdom come


Listen I'm not sure what your dig about Joe Sheridan was supposed to prove or what it directly has to do with me but all I'm saying is you have to move on from these things no matter how disappointing they are.

Is that not a reasonable thing to say? Is stamping your feet and having a never ending hissy fit the way forward?

Htaem (Meath) - Posts: 8657 - 07/08/2013 13:16:07    1455370

Cavanagh did what was needed at the time. He knew what was at stake, he wanted to win, he knew a yellow would be brandished and a goal scoring op would be denied. He played within the rules that the GAA dictate. As bad as those rules are...Csvanagh did what was needed and knew the outcome.

LordLizzie (USA) - Posts: 23 - 07/08/2013 13:29:41    1455380

Let's call a spade a spade here... I never witnessed any of the abuse hurled towards my beloved province until the beginning of the last decade when Ulster counties started winning All Ireland's again. As far as I'm concerned this anti Ulster abuse originated with one man and one man only - a panellist on the Sunday Game and later presenter of the Sunday Game who invented the term 'Puke Football' when Ulster counties dared to defeat his own county in All Ireland semi finals and finals

If that is the case then why didnt it happen when northern teams dominated in the early 90s? This stuff about 'it is just becasue we are from ulster' is nonsense. If that was true hthn the same thing would have happened in the 90s. Can anyone offer an explanation as to why it didnt? It is about the football some have chosen to play, nothing else.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 07/08/2013 13:59:10    1455428