Joe's comments are only relevant if ALL perpetrators of cynical tackles are "outed" in this way. It is unfair on Tyrone to single them out: there are worse offenders out there, still left in the championship. The blanket defence thrives on forwards stopping the opposing defence starting a counter-attack: there were numerous examples of this last Sunday. This is just as cynical as SC's tackle on Saturday night.

football first (None) - Posts: 1259 - 06/08/2013 18:58:55    1454684

Ah now Bosco sure yer only on here to goad,chastise and rile people up.Thats more truth for ye.And Carlow will always be useless............even you know that.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 06/08/2013 19:28:22    1454710

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Joe's comments are only relevant if ALL perpetrators of cynical tackles are "outed" in this way. It is unfair on Tyrone to single them out: there are worse offenders out there, still left in the championship. The blanket defence thrives on forwards stopping the opposing defence starting a counter-attack: there were numerous examples of this last Sunday. This is just as cynical as SC's tackle on Saturday night.

The above in my view is the correct stance. Even Dunphy's take in today paper was off the mark. Yes, he condemned cheating but the comparison with the Henry incident was frankly ridiculous. Henry cheated in disguise, whereas Cavanagh and countless players before him cheated in clear open view with the referee available to administer the full extent of the GAA rule book. But low and behold the highest penalty on a gaelic field for a rugby tackle is a yellow card. I'll reiterate, the problem is the rules, not Tyrone etc. If Tyrone or any other team want to cheat or be cynical during a game then let them, but let them do so in the knowledge that if they set themselves up that way they will receive 3-4 black cards, possibly two red cards and a handful of lengthily suspensions as well. Things will change drastically with proper rules. You will still get a certain amount of cynicism, thats inevitable, but no-where on the level we see today.

All the other north/south stuff in this thread is predictable, immature and pathetic!

seany16 (Dublin) - Posts: 1663 - 06/08/2013 19:32:06    1454716

in the 2009 all-ireland final tadgh kennelly struck nicolas murphy in the chin with his shoulder.he tried to take him out and admitted after that it was premeditated.thats cheating.in 2008 match between cork and kerry donacha o'connor hits aidan omahony with palm of his hand(so light it would not hurt a baby).omahony goes down like sack of potatoes.o'connor gets a red card.thats cheating.did sean cavanagh strike somebody?no.did he take performance enhancing drugs.no.what did he do.he fouled an opponent.got booked.end of story.

toe2hand (Galway) - Posts: 223 - 06/08/2013 19:36:28    1454722

See everyone is focusing on the rugby tackle but what about the two occasions that Cavanagh went to ground easily (dived) in both the Meath and Monaghan matchs. On both occasions he was rewarded with a pointed free (and a yellow card for D Hughes)

Rule 5.20: To attempt to achieve an advantage by feigning a foul or injury.
PENALTY FOR ABOVE FOUL -
(i) Caution offender; order off for second
cautionable foul.

He should have been sent off last Saturday night for cynical play. End of.

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1069 - 06/08/2013 19:36:45    1454724

Have to agree with mhunicean abu. The diving that is being done is far worse and needs to be dealt with quickly. Tyrone aren't the only ones at it, although they have it down to a fine art!!!

DLlegends (Donegal) - Posts: 503 - 06/08/2013 19:46:44    1454733

Joe Brolly has every right to call for the end of the intentional("cynical") foul as he sees it. But to explode on TV against Sean Cavanagh and Tyrone as he did last Sunday was totally out of order. Sean Cavanagh did only what any player of any county would and should do in those same particular circumstances. That is true at this present time or at any time in the past. There is nothing new in that foul. In the 70s we Rossies were playing Kerry in the League Final replay. With moments to the end we were ahead and preparing for the celebrations ! A Kerry player soloed up the field and the ball ended up in our net and Kerry had won another League Final. To this day we Rossies keep asking why that Kerry player was not 'pulled down' out the field. Joe Brolley is either hypocritical or not in the real world by acting as he did on tv last Sunday. If he wants to change that reality, fair enough and I would probably support him. But in his campaign, let him be honest. And above all let him not blacken the reputation of a gentleman footballer like Sean Cavanagh and of a county like Tyrone which has given so much enjoyment to GAA fans all over the world for the last 12 years.

michael (Cork) - Posts: 381 - 06/08/2013 19:50:37    1454738

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See everyone is focusing on the rugby tackle but what about the two occasions that Cavanagh went to ground easily (dived) in both the Meath and Monaghan matchs. On both occasions he was rewarded with a pointed free (and a yellow card for D Hughes)

Rule 5.20: To attempt to achieve an advantage by feigning a foul or injury.
PENALTY FOR ABOVE FOUL -
(i) Caution offender; order off for second
cautionable foul.

He should have been sent off last Saturday night for cynical play. End of.
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I know Monaghan fans might be a bit sore cos of the match but yez are know for this kind of form yerselves so come on now.Your game against Donegal in 2011,I think, should have seen half the players on the field sidelined for all kinds of nonsense so a bit of honest perspective is needed from some Monaghan people right now.Even your own players are saying they would have done the same thing as Cavanagh.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 06/08/2013 19:53:22    1454741

Jasus lads for such a big strong midfielder yon sean cavanagh goes to ground shocking handy watched that dispossession of d Hughes in first half perfect on darrens behalf pure cynicism on yon jessies behalf

prideof85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 851 - 06/08/2013 19:53:36    1454742

Mhunicean_abu just in case your not aware of the rules of the game you are not allowed to tackle from behind if you do its a foul Hughes tackle was from behind it was a foul granted the yellow was harsh sean made the most of it. I recon cavanagh has been better schooled in the rules of the game than yourself and Hughes better get on to Brolly another case of Tyrone trying to gain unfair advantage over their opponents by knowing the rules of the game. Disgraceful

Skillful_Bill (Tyrone) - Posts: 102 - 06/08/2013 19:57:28    1454747

Seanie boy I'm not in the slightest bit sore just stating the facts. in the last two rounds of the All Ireland GAA football championship Sean Cavanagh has been by far the best performer and the most cynical.
To deny either of those two FACTS is dilusional

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1069 - 06/08/2013 20:03:09    1454753

Bosco what'd I tell you about those sugar beets yer gonna do yerself damage!

omaghjoe (Tyrone) - Posts: 1191 - 06/08/2013 20:10:55    1454768

There's a quote I was reminded of this week when listening to Brolly specifically target Cavanagh's character in his black card crusade:

"It's a load of crap, everyone knows it's a load of crap. It's a bit like what I would describe as a DUP argument. They can repeat it and repeat it and repeat it and eventually it'll get into the public consciousness but it's doesn't make it any less bulls***. But you can't disprove it."

And guess who said that?

doublehop (Kildare) - Posts: 4172 - 06/08/2013 21:13:03    1454859

mhunicean_abu
County: Monaghan
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Seanie boy I'm not in the slightest bit sore just stating the facts. in the last two rounds of the All Ireland GAA football championship Sean Cavanagh has been by far the best performer and the most cynical.
To deny either of those two FACTS is dilusional
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Even if I say "Ok I see your point". What about the times when others do it?Your own team have come in for some heavy criticism these last few years too,especially that game against Donegal.My point is you would think it happened only in games with Tyrone in particular and Ulster in general listening to some of these guys and the tools in the "Meeja",and now you are buying into it all of a sudden cos you feel hard done by.Aidan O' Shea got 2 yellows and was sent off against Donegal but if that had been a Tyrone man as evidenced by the tirades of abuse being directed at Sean Cavanagh,there would have been complete uproar.I think O'Shea deserved his man of the match award by the way as he was outstanding and he doesn't suddenly become a hate figure in my eyes because he got 2 yellows and was sent off.The double standard is breath taking,can you not see that?

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 06/08/2013 21:13:37    1454861

I hope the windbags spouting on HS listened
to Conor McManus on newstalk this evening!
link

TheGateKeeper (Tyrone) - Posts: 2843 - 06/08/2013 21:23:11    1454881

joe needs to stop betting especially on monaghan form patchy distance poor and jockey very cautious. take the blinkers off joe93. thunderbirds are go.

weebox (Tyrone) - Posts: 272 - 06/08/2013 21:26:47    1454886

I believe the Mayo support,and rightly so,gave Aidan O' Shea a bit of a standing ovation as he left the field.Though in Joe Brollys eyes Mickey Harte is practically a human rights abuser for showing some joy at Tyrone having won.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 06/08/2013 21:28:57    1454891

I've nothing against Tyrone and in fact enjoyed watching their breakthrough team of the mid 2000's but I agree with Joe Brolly on this one the cynism is not enjoyable to watch as a neutral. The GAA should give red cards for such fouls and that would put an end to it fairly quickly.

You have hurlers sent off this year for badly timed tackles (trying to fairly win possession) and footballers can get away scot free with RUGBY tackles.

Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 06/08/2013 21:35:03    1454905

Ye're quare squirrelly boys.
I've written here before, much more eloquently than some of your most prolific contributors I might add, extolling the virtues of and expressing my admiration for in particular the Down teams of '91 and '94. Mickey linden in particular was a real hero of mine and a true sportsman. Still putting in superb performance in masters athletics up until last year at least.
Manus Boyles' 9 point salvo in '92 will live long in the memory, think it was 5 frees and 4 from play. Derry were very exciting in '93 and who can forget Johnny McGurk's winner in the semi.
Dermot McNicholl was always a favourite of mine aswell even though he was past his best by then. He'd a pair of legs on him that would kick start a combine.
There was enormous goodwill towards those teams because they were making breakthroughs with the exception of Down but even they were coming out of the wilderness. They played great stuff and were fairly joyous in their approach towards the game. Compared to most of you on here my knowledge of the game is encyclopaedic as some will be so shortsighted as to use your own ignorance of even my county's location as a badge of honour. I usually counter with something equally as pathetic but then you boys throw your toys out of the pram. You can give it but you can't take it boys.
Personally I think there has been a sea change in attitude subsequent to that period. I firmly believe that Armagh began the race to the bottom and Tyrone picked up the baton and picked up the pace. Donegal were an absolute disgrace in 2011 especially in the semi final and the sound bites emanating from their camp in recent times calling into question the intentions of fellow "Gaels" as you boys so often term them is reprehensible.
The recent cheating by Tyrone is all the more deplorable when you consider that some of the greatest talents to ever play the game like Cavanagh and O'Neill are demeaning themselves and damaging their legacy by engaging in such mean spirited behaviour in games.
Cavanagh in particular will now be forever synonymous with cheating. Sean Cavanagh what a player eh? But do you remember.........
Look lads being from Carlow we've no real serious tradition or traditional rivalry with anyone, we're located in a quiet enough little pocket in the south east so as you're not even aware of us. No old scars, no vested interest, no scores to settle. No lasting residue of resentment with anyone least of all ulster.
You're desperate cheats lads, you still complain about '96 and yet you're perpetrating far worse now. If you're going to give it you may be prepared to take it, at least on here if not on the field!

Bosco (Carlow) - Posts: 664 - 06/08/2013 21:41:07    1454913

While I think Joe Brolly was right to highlight what was an atrocious act of cynicism by Cavanagh, he was completely out of line in his personal attack on the man.

The fact of the matter is as long as the rules allows for cynical play the longer they will remain. And, mark my words, the black card next year will do NOTHING to lessen this.

I did find the picture that Brolly tweeted tonight quite amusing though!

Blue.Steel (Longford) - Posts: 138 - 06/08/2013 21:41:31    1454914