Thanks to James Horan for rightly criticizing the nature of Joe Brollys comments.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 05/08/2013 18:05:24    1453582

Good post doublehop...don't always agree with you but you're on the money this time!

Lifford Gael (Donegal) - Posts: 1925 - 05/08/2013 18:42:13    1453622

id also have to agree with doublehop.

brolly's rant made for great viewing but this isn't soccer where two periods of 45minutes of mind numbing borefest need to be livened up by an Earon Dunphy type character. Listening to George Hook would ruin any good rugby match too. Controversial for the sake of being controversial!

I like O'Rourke. I think he tells it as he sees it without getting into the personal stuff others do. Ciaran Whelan has been fantastic this year and McStay is probably the best of the bunch at actually analysing the gameplay/tactics of two given teams.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 5271 - 05/08/2013 18:51:15    1453637

Indeed cuchulainn I picked that up also. If the main presenter on the main GAA programme can say and get away with that is it any wonder many of the population also buy into the anti-Ulster campaign? He would NOT say, or be allowed to say, that about any other team or province but it's open season on 'Nordies' in the South. Furthermore UTV sport just said that of the 4 teams on Saturday Tyrone committed the LEAST number of fouls. Now try and say that to the usual suspects and they just deny, deny, deny. Kerry pulled and dragged down Cavan players yesterday preventing scores yet nothing said in the South. Likewise Mayo pulled down players....nothing said. I have tried to post these facts today on HS but censor mode is on high today for Northern posters while those ourside the province can post what they like and offend and insult all around them....no change there!

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9819 - 05/08/2013 18:52:48    1453640

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Stop beating around the bush.....Cavanaghs tackle is "within the rules"

Throwing a headbutt at another player is within the rules if he doesn't get caught by officials or the camera. Yet its disgraceful and shouldn't be done.

This "within the rules" argument is quite annoying.

Cheating is wrong, whether its within the rules or not, its still wrong. It sets a bad precedent for coaching and for the games we all love in this country. Blatant cheating shouldn't be allowed whether its "within the rules" or not. I find it annoying that Tyrone management and fans just say that sending off Cavanagh for dragging a guy down isn't in the rulebook, and have the cheek to blame the reaction on the southern media.

I was in Croke Park for the Meath game last week and when Tyrone were at their punching guys and dragging down runners the entire game, I was livid. It was nothing to do with the media. Its disgraceful and not within the spirit of the game.

Ironic the way Harte has always talked about the dangers of the International Series yet sets his players out with a gameplan that is kinda like Aussie Rules and is overphysical, cynical, violent and unsavoury.
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You are a joke.You really are man.There were numerous times when ref moved ball forward for them,when our guys were being dragged and pulled.What about those incidents?How come you boys only complain when its Tyrone or other Ulster teams doing it but yez stay silent when we are on the receiving end.I'm goin to go out on a limb here and make a statement that I ask anybody to realisticaaly refute.It is my belief from watching numerous games from all over that no player in the country took more digs and slaps and niggles and pull downs than Tyrones Brian Dooher.Now this would even apply to a lesser extent to the likes of Canavan and Brian Mc Guigan and some others.This was systematic targeting of our better players and hardly a peep from anybody about it.Thats because it was YOUR teams doing it.Yez are a bunch of pansies when yez are on the receiving end though.

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 05/08/2013 18:57:32    1453645

Whats that Ulsterman? You are being denied to publish a link to these game stats? Whats up with that admin?

seanie_boy (Tyrone) - Posts: 4235 - 05/08/2013 18:59:57    1453650

Not a link to the stats Seanie but the fact that a lot of other things, and more fouls, happened in other games and HS have not published a lot of my posts about this. UTV sport DID confirm that the least number of fouls were carried out by Tyrone of the 4 teams on Saturday.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9819 - 05/08/2013 19:11:40    1453669

Brolly was correct once again in his comments, although he clearly went OTT and was unnecessarily personal in his remarks. Cavanagh was only carrying out orders, from the man Brolly descibed as dancing and jumping up and down at the final whistle.

beal (Mayo) - Posts: 1388 - 05/08/2013 19:12:29    1453671

Northern teams get the blame for all this cynical fouling? And as we all know Dublin v Kerry of the 1970's were the greatest matches of GAA history? Then can someone please explain this.

doublehop (Kildare) - Posts: 4172 - 05/08/2013 19:35:31    1453700

Its a matter of indifference how many fouls were committed by any single team over the weekend. We are not discussing such issues so please stick to the topic of the thread. The topic here is cynical fouling and what is now being termed in the some GAA circles as the 'professional foul'. Are some teams worse at it that others? Well perceptions can be misleading, some-one someday may do an analysis and we may find out. But rightly or wrongly Tyrone are singled out as they are probably the most prominent team doing it at the minute. Whether they are most persistent than others or not remains to be seen!

seany16 (Dublin) - Posts: 1663 - 05/08/2013 19:37:55    1453708

ALTHOUGH it was over the top I was inclined to agree with brolly's outburst I think he was spot on !!!!

dubbydave. (Dublin) - Posts: 3927 - 05/08/2013 19:44:46    1453716

A TV pundit from the northern part of the country makes controversial comments against a player from the same general region and we have lads on here suggesting its all part of an anti-Ulster campaign !! Is this part of the script from the comedy show Give My Head Peace?

Maroonatic (Galway) - Posts: 1069 - 05/08/2013 19:50:06    1453724

Classy remarks from James Horan, called it like it is, no fob to the baying hordes in Funnybrook, said what he thought about the (non) issue as an astute reader of the modern game. He will soon get his All Ireland.

brendtheredhand (Tyrone) - Posts: 10897 - 05/08/2013 20:20:56    1453770

Enda McGinley was superb he looked a natural very at ease on the sofa intelligent discussion between wee James and Jarleth the BBC studio team just oozed class RTE can keep Moe Larry and Curly

williewentwell (Tyrone) - Posts: 1712 - 05/08/2013 20:24:20    1453772

I have said it before and I will say it again

The material of Brolly's rant is irrelevant considering the personal attacks he made against Sean Cavanagh and Mickey Harte.

In any kind of debate you would be asked to apologise and retract your remarks of a personal nature. Any discussion of the points he was trying to make is being disrespectful to Sean Cavanagh and Mickey Harte, two great amateur servants and ambassadors to the GAA for many years.

Apologise Joe Brolly and apologise RTE!

Then we can have a reasoned debate about the issue and not a jealously driven witch hunt

omaghjoe (Tyrone) - Posts: 1191 - 05/08/2013 20:27:56    1453777

Forget the county involved that's irrelevant.

It was just the timing if it and how blatant it was.

Add to that that two weekends running the same player did it twice.

It's happening everywhere Kerry are no different.

It's just that it's cheating regardless of what the rule book says.

So the question should be is how important is integrity and honor in your game.

Is a medal the same? When your watching your own kids would you be proud that they cheated to gain an advantage.

westkerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1250 - 05/08/2013 20:31:29    1453787

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Classy remarks from James Horan, called it like it is, no fob to the baying hordes in Funnybrook, said what he thought about the (non) issue as an astute reader of the modern game. He will soon get his All Ireland.

Astute alright - he wasn't going to make any remarks that Mickey Harte would post on the dressing room wall before the Mayo-Tyrone game, no matter what he really thinks.

jimski (Kildare) - Posts: 381 - 05/08/2013 20:39:05    1453789

Good one omaghjoe.....

Brolly apologise for slating blatent cheating? Why?

On another issue RTE should apologise for its shameful antics about the Harte family....which was horrible

But Sunday Game pundits are spot on to criticise Mickey Hartes tactics, sending guys out to foul!

The Tyrone reaction of.....we are getting picked on. Two weekends in a row I watched dirt tactics from Tyrone.

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 05/08/2013 20:44:25    1453794

Jay P I thought it was a good one too TBH….. but then you obviously didn't read my post…try again there sure
I said Joe Brolly needs to apologise to Mickey Harte and Sean Cavanagh for making personal attacks on their character before his point is discussed.
These guys have devoted their lives to the GAA and should not be attacked in a disgraceful way that Joe Brolly carried out on Saturday

omaghjoe (Tyrone) - Posts: 1191 - 05/08/2013 20:56:23    1453810

Ulsterman
You seem to be always having a go at our national broadcaster RTE for their views on our Gaelic games.
You may think they are bias towards Ulster teams and I'm just wondering do you receive BBC 2, your national broadcaster in Northern Ireland.
If so, have a look at the match between Mayo and Donegal.
First you will notice that there are no representative from Leinster, Munster or Connaught on the panel. Why ?.
Before the match they only spoke about Donegal and it was very differcult to see who they were playing as they didn't show any glimpses of Mayo what so ever. Why ?.
Didn't play our national anthem. Why ?.
I have lots more on the subject but far too many to mention.
By the way they are four regions in Ireland, Northern, Western, Eastern and of course Southern.

Easterner (Dublin) - Posts: 1 - 05/08/2013 21:10:11    1453828