Brendan, someone who would claim to be a footballing purist or who would claim they advocate the playing of pure football is nothing more than a smug snob.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6178 - 31/07/2013 14:14:19    1448787

I hate this term the "purist " I have now live well over half my life I would say and this term pure and honest hurling and football is a joke, All successful teams whether they were Gaelic or hurling club or country had a few individuals who were negative I'd dirty now lets take recent examples:-
1. Galway v Armagh - Galway had 3/4 men on Jamie Clarke at all times, pulling/ dragging/ harassing etc - it worked and fair play
2. Cork full back against Kilkenny deliberately tried to take his opponent out of it witha strike of the hurl across the chest - gave away a penalty but should have seen red
3. Tighte Kenelly of Kerry deliberately took his Cork opponent in the opening minute of the All-Ireland final
4 tommy Walsh has played on the 'edge, or I would say be lucky not to be sent off - in an all Ireland final he struck a ref - he didn't. Mean to but he wanted to strike an opponent
5. The Meath team of 1980/90 were very negative - who remembers Martin o'connell and brain dooher
6. I remember the 1985 all- Ireland semi finals ended in great draws but Monaghan and mayo had men taken out in the opening minutes of the replays
7 Paudie o'shea 's fightening in the 82/82 Munster final

I could go on and on. - this blanket defence was always there just is that it is much improved now with fitness - but negative scenes will always be with us

cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1688 - 31/07/2013 14:29:11    1448794

I am no fan of the football these days with 13/14 men behind the ball cynically fouling at every convenience.. Seemingly, to a lot of people (Uslter folk especially), the 'art' of defending is more exciting to watch than attacking football with fantastic score taking. That's worrying to say the least, but each one to their own :-).

ahsure. (Galway) - Posts: 1667 - 31/07/2013 14:52:16    1448802

ahsure.
County: Galway
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1448802 I am no fan of the football these days with 13/14 men behind the ball cynically fouling at every convenience.. Seemingly, to a lot of people (Uslter folk especially), the 'art' of defending is more exciting to watch than attacking football with fantastic score taking. That's worrying to say the least, but each one to their own :-).

You're putting words in peoples mouth now. Personally I find it more worrying that people will ignore their own counties or provinces cynical tactics through the eras and put the blame on another province, but each to their own :) smiley smiley

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12307 - 31/07/2013 15:01:21    1448813

"the 'art' of defending is more exciting to watch than attacking football with fantastic score taking. That's worrying to say the least, but each one to their own"

Thats the thing. I dont call putting the ball over the bar from 35 yards under no pressure "fantastic score taking". Thats what you saw in the Cork v Galway game. Now if you have a man sticking to you like glue and manage to find a yard to score from 35 yards, or have to work the ball around a bit to create this space, that for me is a much more impressive score.

benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1428 - 31/07/2013 15:02:54    1448816

It's so disappointing to hear the Galway guys going on about this subject. I was at the game on saturday aswell and to be honest Galway should have won but allowed Cork back into it. I think the Galway posters are confused. They are certainly a skilful side , but the likes of Tyrone and Kerry are both skilful AND resilient. A team now needs to be technically very proficient and at the same time teak tough. It's the only way. Kerry are the classiest county in Ireland but have always been the dirtiest aswell. They just know how to mix it.

gaelantrim (Antrim) - Posts: 1616 - 31/07/2013 15:05:36    1448820

benjyyy
County: Donegal
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Thats the thing. I dont call putting the ball over the bar from 35 yards under no pressure "fantastic score taking". Thats what you saw in the Cork v Galway game. Now if you have a man sticking to you like glue and manage to find a yard to score from 35 yards, or have to work the ball around a bit to create this space, that for me is a much more impressive score.

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Paul Conroy, Seany Armstrong and Michael Martin would take offence to that. They took some fantastic scores on Saturday.

ahsure. (Galway) - Posts: 1667 - 31/07/2013 15:15:59    1448840

ahsure.
County: Galway
Posts: 943

1448802 I am no fan of the football these days with 13/14 men behind the ball cynically fouling at every convenience.. Seemingly, to a lot of people (Uslter folk especially), the 'art' of defending is more exciting to watch than attacking football with fantastic score taking. That's worrying to say the least, but each one to their own :-)


Keep your sanctimonious piety to yourself . Nobody said that. What they did say was they defending is part of the game. Good defending is every bit as admirable as good attacking. When you are able to do both then you have the complete team. We all admire good attacking play. Similarly disciplined aggressive defensive play is to be admired not sneered at.

Greengrass
County: Louth
Posts: 2695

Keep your sanctimonious piety to yourself . Nobody said that. What they did say was they defending is part of the game. Good defending is every bit as admirable as good attacking. When you are able to do both then you have the complete team. We all admire good attacking play. Similarly disciplined aggressive defensive play is to be admired not sneered at.

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That's a fair point.

ahsure. (Galway) - Posts: 1667 - 31/07/2013 15:23:29    1448855

ahsure.
County: Galway
Posts: 945

Paul Conroy, Seany Armstrong and Michael Martin would take offence to that. They took some fantastic scores on Saturday.

Finian Hanley, Johnny Duane and Gary Sice should take offence to your trite nonsense

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12307 - 31/07/2013 15:26:33    1448860

Breffni39
County: Cavan
Posts: 8581

Finian Hanley, Johnny Duane and Gary Sice should take offence to your trite nonsense

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Uh oh, Donal O'Neill will take offence to you now for leaving him out, he was the best of the lot.

ahsure. (Galway) - Posts: 1667 - 31/07/2013 15:36:34    1448869

ahsure.
County: Galway
Posts: 947

Uh oh, Donal O'Neill will take offence to you now for leaving him out, he was the best of the lot.

And it still wasn't good enough...

You left out Michael Meehan, whats your problem with his score-taking?

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12307 - 31/07/2013 15:39:12    1448872

gaelantrim
County: Antrim
Posts: 1433

1448820
It's so disappointing to hear the Galway guys going on about this subject. I was at the game on saturday aswell and to be honest Galway should have won but allowed Cork back into it. I think the Galway posters are confused. They are certainly a skilful side , but the likes of Tyrone and Kerry are both skilful AND resilient. A team now needs to be technically very proficient and at the same time teak tough. It's the only way. Kerry are the classiest county in Ireland but have always been the dirtiest aswell. They just know how to mix it.

Trying to stir something there i'd say! They could hardly be classified as always being the dirtiest!

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 31/07/2013 15:39:37    1448873

ahsure.
County: Galway
Posts: 947

1448855 Greengrass
County: Louth
Posts: 2695

Keep your sanctimonious piety to yourself . Nobody said that. What they did say was they defending is part of the game. Good defending is every bit as admirable as good attacking. When you are able to do both then you have the complete team. We all admire good attacking play. Similarly disciplined aggressive defensive play is to be admired not sneered at.

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That's a fair point

Grand ahsure. Don't forget in all of this that I am a massive fan of Galway football.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6178 - 31/07/2013 15:40:02    1448875

For all the supposed negativity coming out of Ulster, I can't help but recall Colm O'Rourke's comment in the aftermath of Tyrone's slaughter of Dublin in 2008 Q.F. He said and I quote, "That display of foot passing by Tyrone was the best I think I ever witnessed in Croke Park."

gaelantrim (Antrim) - Posts: 1616 - 31/07/2013 15:41:47    1448877

tiobraid
County: Tipperary
Posts: 1192

1448873 gaelantrim
County: Antrim
Posts: 1433

1448820
It's so disappointing to hear the Galway guys going on about this subject. I was at the game on saturday aswell and to be honest Galway should have won but allowed Cork back into it. I think the Galway posters are confused. They are certainly a skilful side , but the likes of Tyrone and Kerry are both skilful AND resilient. A team now needs to be technically very proficient and at the same time teak tough. It's the only way. Kerry are the classiest county in Ireland but have always been the dirtiest aswell. They just know how to mix it.

Trying to stir something there i'd say! They could hardly be classified as always being the dirtiest!

Anyone one old enough to remember it will tell you that up until the micko years Kerry were always an exceptionally aggressive team and bullied their way to many an All Ireland. Nothing wrong with it but no point claiming otherwise either. Fair play to them I say.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12307 - 31/07/2013 15:45:19    1448885

Ask your grandads! :)

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12307 - 31/07/2013 15:47:14    1448887

You left out Michael Meehan, whats your problem with his score-taking?

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I was simply replying to benjyyy when he said Galway scored points from 35 yards out under no pressure. I remember three fantastic scores in particular, hence the reason I mentioned Army, Martin and Conroy. Don't knit pick son, I will personally apologise to Michael Meehan if I have to.

ahsure. (Galway) - Posts: 1667 - 31/07/2013 15:48:59    1448890

ahsure.
County: Galway
Posts: 948

I was simply replying to benjyyy when he said Galway scored points from 35 yards out under no pressure. I remember three fantastic scores in particular, hence the reason I mentioned Army, Martin and Conroy. Don't knit pick son, I will personally apologise to Michael Meehan if I have to.

ehhh duhhh, it was only in response to your own nit-picking pet

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12307 - 31/07/2013 16:03:54    1448912

People in the South have been conditioned by their media and GAA elements there to look down on 'Nordies' and the Ulster GAA. It's part of a wider intolerant and xenophobic mindset that has grown there over the past 15 years. The Celtic Pussycat created a very selfish, jealous, immoral society in the 26 counties and we are seeing the outplay of this in hateful, indeed racist, comments against Northerners, Nigerian people and Eastern Europeans.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9816 - 31/07/2013 21:56:36    1449342