Ive never read or heard so much bullsh1 t , have we just reinvented the game of football , I think Jim has spent far too much time with the soccer guys , anybody watching or playing the game for the last 30 to 40 years can point out hundreds of games or tackles that make one being discussed just another tackle ,
Great teams bring physicality speed and skill , and if your out by half a second injuries can happen , have allways happened , and will continue to happen , mchugh was not targeted much as the grassy knoll merchants would like to believe , think Jim is trying to recreate the siege nobody likes us mentality , and cant blame him for that as its worked before for him , but Im sorry jim nobody's picking on you , you just got beaten by a team playing as you once played , just they did it better on the day .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 29/07/2013 13:13:55    1446093

What exactly was Gollogly supposed to do ? Was he supposed to take a couple of seconds and think about it? Was he then supposed to pull back because he thought he might cause an injury to the other player.

Everyone who has played contact sport knows you have to go in as committed as possible. You're far more likely to get seriously injured yourself if you are not fully committed to the challenge. the fact is if he wanted to cripple him he could easily have done so with a really heavy clothes line and a straight punch into the jaw with all his might.

As to small guys getting hit by bigger guys. That's the game we have right now. Bigger fitter men will prevail. E.g. Donegal's own blue print last year was to bulk up Rory Kavanagh with a serious training and dietary regime so he would be physical enough and fit enough for the team that Jim McGuinness required.

MaigheoAbu (Mayo) - Posts: 343 - 29/07/2013 13:19:23    1446112

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County: Cavan
Posts: 2088

1446016 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXQ5wWNFn5g

10:25 anyone??

Ha ha. Thats funny.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 29/07/2013 13:30:45    1446143

Fair dues benjyyy for being the 1st Tír Chonaill man to refuse to unquestioningly toe the party line. It's hard to believe that it took 5 pages for one man to express even a smidgen of reservation that Mr McGuinness' comments verged on the simplistic to say the least

an tseabhac (Kerry) - Posts: 441 - 29/07/2013 13:37:15    1446159

Once again it is the media who have made a story out of this and twisted his words into a story that will sell, I genuinely do believe he was making a statement out of concern for the welfare of his player but got caught up in the emotion. I personally don't think Gallogly was making a genuine attempt to win the ball (if he was I'd like to know who taught him how to tackle) but in saying that he doesn't seem a dirty player, he was fired up and took the man. It's not the first challenge of it's kind and certainly won't be the last. He didn't intend to put McHugh in hospital that's for sure and of course he took himself out of the game too. McGuinness took the reporter's bait and went back for seconds, he's obviously a passionate man and not afraid to speak his mind which is why reporters love making these stories. I've read a couple of newspapers' columns on the matter and it certainly comes across as a bit moany alright. I think he should have left things unsaid but it was a genuine concern for him to lose a player to such injuries.

tirchonaill92 (Donegal) - Posts: 156 - 29/07/2013 13:59:46    1446204

1. Jim is a sports psychologist. Everyone and his dog can see he is trying to get a "us against the world" mentality in the camp.
2. When you watch that replay in slow motion the tackle is half a second late, watch it in real time its literally 1/10 of a second late. evrything looks more dramatic in slow motion, thats why tv loves it so much.
3. When gollogy realised he wasnt going to make it to the ball first he prob had a half second to react, he couldnt have tried to pull out because he would have got badly hurt himself (as anyone who played gaa before will know) he didnt jump up into the hit he just carried on into mchugh in a (rather poor) attempt of a tackle.

I think is was a foul, probably a yellow card but in no way could that have been a red card. The only reason we are talking about this is because of point 1.

white.n.blue (Monaghan) - Posts: 249 - 29/07/2013 14:02:32    1446207

Jimmys playing minds games here - nice smokescreen to get in before the next game. Don't believe that the player was targetted as alleged.

He may not have known the opposition for the 1/4 final when he gave the interview but he knew it would be picked up by the media - it would lead to a debate and maybe a little bit of influence over referees for the remainder of the year

Jimmy is a smart manager no doubt about it - this is pure BS and a smoke screen as the focus will shift off the players for the rest of the week - hopefully a referee will not be pressuried or influenced by it

roast (Kildare) - Posts: 143 - 29/07/2013 14:04:40    1446215

White.n.Blue has it bang on ..

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13655 - 29/07/2013 14:06:06    1446219

tirchonaill92 and whitenblue , spot on comments

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 29/07/2013 14:10:11    1446232

I think the Jim McGuinness aura is slowly starting to peel away. He's now having a go at cynical fouling, and rightly so as it is a problem in our game. But no notice given to the fact that his own team have been at this. The inscrutable McGuinness is now looking vulnerable.

Treaty_Exile (Limerick) - Posts: 386 - 29/07/2013 14:11:26    1446235

Mind games - fair enough. My issue is with the way he has dragged gollogly into these mind games, as if he had targeted mchugh. It is not only very unsporting, it shows a distinct lack of class.

If the roles were revered and it was mchugh arriving 2nd, and mchugh pulled out, what would mcguinness have to say to him?

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 29/07/2013 14:14:35    1446244

Why wasn't anyone outraged last week?

51longago (Mayo) - Posts: 2981 - 29/07/2013 14:15:03    1446246

white.n.blue perhaps you are right with your interpretation of the tackle, good to see a bit of honest analysis rather than blatant defence. I agree it looks worse in the replays and in real time a split second decision to pull out is very difficult when you fully commit to a 50/50 ball

tirchonaill92 (Donegal) - Posts: 156 - 29/07/2013 14:15:30    1446247

Ha benjyyy are you being serious?

You tell me that I am giving a biased version of events yet you say Leo McLoone was taken off because he was on a yellow and feeling bad??
:D Your only messing aren't ye? Seriously?
Must be the first player in history to come off for that :D
He came off because his sole task as a sub was completed

I was sitting right behind the Donegal dugout when he came off and he got a pat on the back from McGuiness, so if the facts are liable that's fair enough… you may get the legal proceedings underway 
If you actually look at the incident if McHugh tried to pull out of the tackle which is what cause the injuries to both players
Tyrone would have won that match no question if Joe McMhaon hadn't been deliberately targeted by the Donegal team

omaghjoe (Tyrone) - Posts: 1191 - 29/07/2013 14:19:33    1446261

But guys its an amatuer sport.
How is it OK that players are getting concussed and put in hospital/missing work.

Thats not on and I dont understand how alot of ye think it is.

dstuction (Donegal) - Posts: 1209 - 29/07/2013 14:28:59    1446279

As I have said before, I'm pretty sure Gollogly went for the ball but realised at last second he wasn't going to get there so made sure he got a good hit on the man. Now that's not a slight on Gollogly because 99% of players would do the same given the magnitude of the occasion and I think 100% of managers would expect it of their players. Whether they would admit it publicly or not is a different story

benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1435 - 29/07/2013 14:29:35    1446281

It wasn't pointed out last week because. The interviewer asked mc Nulty why him and Jim had a bit off a set to. Mc Nulty said he thought that Jim was tring to influence the linesman. Jim was asked my he was approaching the linesman and gave the reason that was broadcast last night. That why it wasn't mentioned last week. Jim has a point. Don't know about the gollogly tackle on mc Hugh in real time it looked 50:50 in slowed play more 70:30. A booking at most.

red1980 (Donegal) - Posts: 106 - 29/07/2013 14:30:19    1446284

Omaghjoe

Just ridiculous comments from start to finish. McLoone was not sent on to do a job. You honestly think Jim would chance getting a red card to take a player out? Why do it with McLoone? Why not send on a panel player to do it. Don't forget McLoone has been a part of the first team for the last 2 years. Anyway, why would he have taken him off again for any other reason? Doesn't look very subtle if its done on purpose? Not the move of the genius psychologist that everyone makes Jim out to be

benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1435 - 29/07/2013 14:37:13    1446308

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County: Cavan
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1446016 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXQ5wWNFn5g

10:25 anyone??

I was wrong, you're still not over that defeat. Sure he was only trying to give him a hug

petejoeduff (Donegal) - Posts: 329 - 29/07/2013 14:56:25    1446344

JayP... are you francie bellew? :)

marvinberry (Donegal) - Posts: 39 - 29/07/2013 15:07:23    1446364