Not seen on TV, you had to be at the game to see them as they were so late they were off camera. How Donal Vaughan finished the game that day I'll never know.
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Yeah these are the things that RTE with it's incredibly limited coverage doesnt pick up...

As you said... you need to be there

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 30/07/2013 11:32:21    1447350

You nearly had it all right up until your last point Jimbo. The amount of late third man tackles Mayo got away with in that game was unreal. Not seen on TV, you had to be at the game to see them as they were so late they were off camera. How Donal Vaughan finished the game that day I'll never know.

The thing with that though, is donegal had a higher number of tactical fouls in this game, and donegal killed mayo with tactical fouls throughout the second half. What is worse, they got away with it. Im happy enough saying both teams do it, in fact every team in the last 8 do it. I know the donegal half forward line will have blocked more runs than kicked balls over the bar come sunday evening, and depending on our lineup, it is possible the same could be true of ourselves. My gut feeling is if we can cancel out donegal's cynical play then we have every chance of beating them. That isnt knocking them either, just stating what I think.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 30/07/2013 11:46:48    1447378

Peile I was merely contrasting the two teams and the two matches Down took part in last season on the back of Horans recent comments on Donegal. As other posters have pointed out the its the constant third man tackle stuff I couldnt believe and they have taken it to a different level than most counties. Personally I blame Croke Park and the referees as they seem to tolerate it, except for the AI last year when they were pulled and we all know what happened then.
We are well aware of the Down teams limitations, the loss of so many talented footballers through injury etc.. but at least they try to play football, are no angels either might I add and probably do need to toughen up more. The type of "football" Mayo play is hard to stomach and thats why a lot of neutrals would be happy if they didnt win the AI

Tim_Burr (Down) - Posts: 460 - 30/07/2013 11:47:34    1447380

TheMaster
County: Mayo
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I'll admit Donegal did do the odd tactical foul when the game was closing out, dragging of a shirt here and there nothing too serious. But Mayos cynical tackles were just down right dangerous. McHugh and Lacey were clothes lined throat high in the space of 5 minutes by the same player. Lets just hope McQuillen stamps out this nastiness on Sunday.

Break_er (Donegal) - Posts: 798 - 30/07/2013 11:58:01    1447390

Tim_Burr
County: Down
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1447304 Interesting comments from Horan. I read McGuiness comments regarding injuries and think he may have a point.
Donegal are no shrinking violets and play a high tempo and physical game but as a Down fan I was at both the Down/Donegal Ulster final last year and then the Down/Mayo quarter final. There was no comparison between those two teams as regards off the ball stuff and blatant fouling.
Mayo took the black arts to a level I had never witnessed before and to be honest my attitude to them has changed since that day. Id rather Tyrone won the all-Ireland before they do and for a Down fan to say that shows how much I dislike their method of "playing" football.

I was at the league game down vs mayo, cynical fouling, ger cafferkey head was nearly taken off by a down player by a flying knee, and not even a yellow card, should have been a straight red, so dont come spouting nonsense about of the ball stuff, every county is at it, we are one of the last to start this method.

saddam (Mayo) - Posts: 414 - 30/07/2013 12:07:19    1447408

29/07/2013 15:31:03
Culann
County: Dublin
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peile
County: Mayo
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Some Donegal people and others would have us believe that the team won pulling up and cruising to victory in second gear once they had their lead. It is this I have an issue with as should any Donegal player.

Thats the way it seemed to me as a neutral.


Ach ní fear neodrach thú a Chuileann. Tá an méid sin admháilaithe agat cheana féin. Tá spota dall mór agat 'stú claonaithe go trom i gcoinne Maigh Eo i ngach uile snáth. Ní thuigim do shearbhas, 'sní oireann sé thú.

an tseabhac (Kerry) - Posts: 441 - 30/07/2013 12:13:54    1447413

Mayo took the black arts to a level I had never witnessed before and to be honest my attitude to them has changed since that day.


I echo this, I was shocked by their behavior in the final. Yet theyre angels according to some on here.

Samsforthehills (Donegal) - Posts: 1075 - 30/07/2013 12:24:26    1447432

We will see this weekend just how soft and average this Mayo side is. Donegal by 5 or 6 points

Kerrylocal (Kerry) - Posts: 26 - 30/07/2013 12:25:07    1447434

Break_er
I'll admit Donegal did do the odd tactical foul when the game was closing out, dragging of a shirt here and there nothing too serious. But Mayos cynical tackles were just down right dangerous. McHugh and Lacey were clothes lined throat high in the space of 5 minutes by the same player. Lets just hope McQuillen stamps out this nastiness on Sunday.

That started after half-time - very similar to what mayo got lambasted for against dublin, only done in a more professional way, 40 yards further out so they couldnt get any scores. As you point out, nothing too serious, that is the whole point, foul them and dont get punished, so you can foul them again, and again, then get back behind the ball. Each time killing off any opportunity for them to beat you playing football. That is quite a cynical gameplan Im sure you will agree. As planned, calculated and orgaised as you can possibly get. Now again, Im not knocking it - I wish we had done it that way to be honest. Im just stating what it is. I commend them on the intelligence of it, compared to our efforts.

McHugh was a bad tackle in front of the posts and a yellow card. I would put that in the stupid category. If he wanted to be cynical, he would have just blocked him about 40 yards further out - not got booked, not conceded a score and killed off the attack. Mayo's problem there was they tried to actually stop him fairly for too long - if they were cynical straight away they would have been better off, like donegal were doing.

Lacey wasnt tackled around the throat... A guy went to block his run and hit him a good hard shoulder in the process - not the biggest evil in the world to be fair. He got him in the chest though. In my opinion there was an element of lacey seeing it coming and not going shaping to hit him back but instead allowing himself to be hit, knowing that vaughan would likely be punished. He was right in front of him after all - how can you miss that? If he did it was intelligent play, and I would hope a few of our players would show similar intelligence in their game going forward. It was vaughan's mistake to give lacey that opportunity and he showed his experience. He turned an instance of where if he went for the shoulder, he would probably have been flattened by a bigger guy coming at pace, with more than likely no free, to him getting a free and the guy a card. I actually dont think lacey should be vilified for that. It is no different to the way sean cavanagh always goes down when it is easier to stay up. It is maximising the output.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 30/07/2013 12:35:02    1447445

took the words out of my mouth an tseabhac. Only i'd have said it in english...

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 30/07/2013 12:37:27    1447450

Tim_Burr
County: Down
Posts: 86
The type of "football" Mayo play is hard to stomach and thats why a lot of neutrals would be happy if they didnt win the AI

Down were well able to dish it out in the League game in Newery earlier this year. Also I don't see any national media outcry over Mayo's style of play. I was in Kilkenny at the weekend and met people from all over Ireland including Down who all said they hoped Mayo win sam. Either they actually did or were too afraid to say it to my face.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 11634 - 30/07/2013 12:41:04    1447459

Mayo to win this by at least 5/6. Battle of the managers and my money is on Horan. Not a fan of either but fair balls for his comeback to Jim McGuinneses comments on the physical side of the game.

bluedubstar (Dublin) - Posts: 835 - 30/07/2013 12:46:13    1447466

TheMaster
County: Mayo
Lacey wasnt tackled around the throat... A guy went to block his run and hit him a good hard shoulder in the process - not the biggest evil in the world to be fair. He got him in the chest though. In my opinion there was an element of lacey seeing it coming and not going shaping to hit him back but instead allowing himself to be hit, knowing that vaughan would likely be punished. He was right in front of him after all - how can you miss that? If he did it was intelligent play, and I would hope a few of our players would show similar intelligence in their game going forward. It was vaughan's mistake to give lacey that opportunity and he showed his experience. He turned an instance of where if he went for the shoulder, he would probably have been flattened by a bigger guy coming at pace, with more than likely no free, to him getting a free and the guy a card. I actually dont think lacey should be vilified for that. It is no different to the way sean cavanagh always goes down when it is easier to stay up. It is maximising the output.





LOL, "well holy Gad" says miley, that is a whopper,
even by you're bottomless standards! So Lacey allowed
the Mayo lad to deliberately take him out! You're off
yer box lad!

TheGateKeeper (Tyrone) - Posts: 2843 - 30/07/2013 12:50:22    1447472

Horan accusing Jim of pot....kettle.....black......

Horan trying to influence refs again....

We have seen this before haven't we?

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 30/07/2013 13:41:22    1447567

Should be a great match, 1st real test of the year for Mayo. The proof is in the pudding so we'll see what happens, I never liked pudding though......:P

Cranky360 (Mayo) - Posts: 834 - 30/07/2013 13:44:11    1447568

TheGateKeeper
County: Tyrone


I hear Ulster rugby are looking at Cavanagh for the heineken cup this year :)

saddam (Mayo) - Posts: 414 - 30/07/2013 13:49:11    1447580

The Master,
I think Gatekeeper has a point, your kinda stretching things a bit with this "In my opinion there was an element of lacey seeing it coming and not going shaping to hit him back but instead allowing himself to be hit, knowing that vaughan would likely be punished."

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4954 - 30/07/2013 14:05:14    1447611

Well he didnt take him out of it at all for a start. He knocked him over. He was up again and playing just as well very quickly. Would you not allow someone to hit you a late shoulder if you knew it could get them booked? I would, and any footballer smart enough to see what it might give them would in a heartbeat. Let on you dont see it and over you go - that is cute play. It is like a guy hanging out a leg or going down when they feel contact. It is just experience. Be reasonable for a minute, how could he have not seen him coming? He was right in his eyeline. Frankly if he didnt, then he should have.
Again, I point out Im not knocking him at all, it was his experience shining through and vaughan's lack thereof, but you have to be very naive to think that he didnt see him, or that this doesnt go on. Your own conor gormley does things in a similar vein - again experience.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 30/07/2013 14:14:51    1447627

JayP
County: Dublin
Posts: 295

1447567 Horan accusing Jim of pot....kettle.....black......

Horan trying to influence refs again....

We have seen this before haven't we?
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James loves shouting his mouth off before a game alright...

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 30/07/2013 14:22:05    1447638

Mayo are a dirty cynical team with not an ounce of football in them, the natural footballers of Donegal will romp to victory and it will be another win for the traditional footballing county with their natural traditional flair to be displayed , their ability to kick pass a ball would make Ciaran Mac look very ordinary in his hay day. Love watching Donegal flow, such a joy, cant't wait for Sunday.

51longago (Mayo) - Posts: 2981 - 30/07/2013 14:22:21    1447639