Muckross

Ye had a chance to name and shame player who ye claim had bitten one of the Donegal team in the Dublin game. But ye decided not to do so. Where was jimmy then, where was his player welfare concern.

saddam (Mayo) - Posts: 414 - 30/07/2013 21:18:36    1448289

Comparison between bitegate v gougegate

There was a visible injury & hospital report in bitegate none in gougegate
There was a complaint in bitegate none in gougegate
There was a hearing & guilty verdict overturned on appeal in bitegate none in gougegate.

You keep lining them up boys & I'll keep hitting them out of the park.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 30/07/2013 21:18:52    1448292

red1980
Vaughan had his back to the ball when you go for a high ball you normally look where the ball is going you go up for it with to hand not a closed fist

Why wouldnt you? you see someone trying to catch a ball and you try to stop them. If you dont have time to look where the ball is do you stand back and let them catch it in front of the posts? Of course not. You take a chance. Unfortunately it didnt work out for him and part of his hand seemed to catch murphy somewhere in the head area. That is all we can see from the clip

and aim at murphys face

No proof of this...


it was an act of thuggery.

No proof of this...


The eye gouging incident which is not clear from your link

Clear as day. And far clearer than this phantom punch...


but Thompson was wrong to put his hand in the players face.

True - how about into his eye?


It was a deliberate punch in the face with a closed fist

No proof of this...


which drew blood from murphys nose.

No proof of this...

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 30/07/2013 21:30:52    1448312

When they were asked to provide their case they didnt turn up. Therefore nothing happened - same as the gouging incident. That is your logic muckross.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 30/07/2013 21:32:56    1448315

http://www.youtube.com/watch?sns=fb&v=cG2n34DmPv4&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DcG2n34DmPv4%26sns%3Dfb&nomobile=1

51longago (Mayo) - Posts: 2981 - 30/07/2013 21:41:14    1448329

Donegal were the vastly superior team in last year's final and won pulling up. The game was effectively over at half time, Donegal eased up massively in the second half and that was reflected in the scoreline. However if Donegal had played with the same intensity for the entire 70 mins they would have won by double scores. I stll believe Mayo can't handle real hard intensive football and have a fragility that is often exposed at the business end level. However Donegal are carrying some injuries and they have looked a bit tired at times and that could be their downfall; a fully fit fired up Donegal would beat Mayo quite handily. Mayo won't win SAM if they do beat Donegal, they are not mentally or physically strong enough to beat 3 top teams in a row.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9819 - 30/07/2013 21:41:46    1448331

You're knocking you're head against a
brick wall muckross, its pointless
arguing with that fella!

TheGateKeeper (Tyrone) - Posts: 2843 - 30/07/2013 21:43:27    1448336

If someone puts puts their finger in your eye would it not cause some discomfort? Would it not be hard to see out of the eye for a while? McLoughlin shows absolutely no ill-effect which is amazing for a man who has supposedly just been gouged!

And as for Murphy getting up again, well he just captained an All-Ireland winning side, I'm sure the adrenaline helped. You can clearly see the remnants of his busted nose here

http://www.amcleanbookmakers.com/wp-content/gallery/gaa-all-ireland-final/donegals-michael-murphy-celebrates.jpg

benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1429 - 30/07/2013 21:53:28    1448355

Correct ...there's only gonna be one winner

beal (Mayo) - Posts: 1388 - 30/07/2013 21:58:27    1448369

Hi guys,

Tactical preview of Mayo vs Donegal up here
http://action81.com/blog/?p=7492

Emmet

emmetryan (Dublin) - Posts: 154 - 31/07/2013 09:14:23    1448397

Ulsterman
Donegal were the vastly superior team in last year's final and won pulling up. The game was effectively over at half time, Donegal eased up massively in the second half and that was reflected in the scoreline. However if Donegal had played with the same intensity for the entire 70 mins they would have won by double scores.

Ulsterman, if this is what you think happened in this game then sorry but you havent a clue. Let's consider what you are saying for a second. So donegal came out on autopilot for the 2nd half - that would mean they were going full tilt in the first half, correct? They got the goals, fair enough, one of them should have been a free at the other end but the first one was excellent. After that mayo outscored them for the rest of the half. So for 25 minutes mayo outscored them by 4 points. Now factoring in the free in front of the posts that turned into a goal for donegal, all things beng equal mayo would have gone in a point up at half time, instead of 3 down.
The second half, donegal got more men back, and it worked better for them. It was effectively a trade off of scores from here, with donegal actually doing better than they did in the first half. Mayo started looking for goals at the very end which let donegal widen the gap by a couple of points and earned a deserved victory.

So basically, when they were supposed to be at full tilt in the first half, they were outplayed for most of it. And when they were 'pulling up' in the second half, or in actual fact reverting to a more defensive mode, they actually done better. The thing is, they couldnt get in front in the monaghan game to do what they did in tht AI final.


Also, surprise surprise, mchugh and lacey are fit to play in the game. I was actually expecting that to be the case.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 31/07/2013 09:37:21    1448412

benjy, I didnt deny murphy got hit in the face, my point was it was not a deliberate punch in the face. there is a big difference there.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 31/07/2013 09:39:01    1448413

Master being realistic Mayo were never going to win that final last year.
The same cant be said this coming sunday in my opinion.

McHugh wont feature on sunday if what im hearing is correct.
Lacey will feature but is still only a shodow of his former self and I dont think he will last the full game (probably similar to dillon and COC on your side)

dstuction (Donegal) - Posts: 1209 - 31/07/2013 09:46:12    1448418

dstuction
Master being realistic Mayo were never going to win that final last year.

I disagree. They kicked 3 bad wides at the start of the 2nd half. A draw game and donegal cant sit back any longer. Donegal deserved to win it, dont get me wrong, but mayo did have chances to come back into it. We didnt cope well enough with donegal getting so many men back in the 2nd half. Looking back, that was as disappointing as the goals.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 31/07/2013 09:54:48    1448427

TheGateKeeper
County: Tyrone
Posts: 2199

1448336
You're knocking you're head against a
brick wall muckross, its pointless
arguing with that fella!

I enjoy it GateKeeper just as I enjoy jousting with 95% of the lads on here. It's a bit of fun about our favourite obsession & at the same time points get debated & not a day goes by when I don't learn something. What more could a man ask for?

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 31/07/2013 10:13:34    1448439

Great to see Kerry play the curtain raiser to a Mayo match.

McGuinness is trying to interfere with the referee again this year, complaining about physicality.
Good response I thought from Horan.
All great banter to get a bit of hype for the match.

Without McHugh and Lacey (at least not at 100%) presents real big problems for Donegal.
Also, seems to happen a bit more often than last year that Murphy can be marked out of a game, twice this year I think.

Hard to assess Mayo without having played a competitive match since March.

Can't wait for Sunday.

BlastCalyle (Mayo) - Posts: 216 - 31/07/2013 10:51:20    1448473

1448331 Donegal were the vastly superior team in last year's final and won pulling up. The game was effectively over at half time, Donegal eased up massively in the second half and that was reflected in the scoreline. However if Donegal had played with the same intensity for the entire 70 mins they would have won by double scores. I stll believe Mayo can't handle real hard intensive football and have a fragility that is often exposed at the business end level. However Donegal are carrying some injuries and they have looked a bit tired at times and that could be their downfall; a fully fit fired up Donegal would beat Mayo quite handily. Mayo won't win SAM if they do beat Donegal, they are not mentally or physically strong enough to beat 3 top teams in a row.

Ulsterman there was 3 points in the Game at Halftime. Far from over me thinks and given the fact that May had reduced the deficit from 8 points to 3 Donegal were the Team happier to hear the half time whistle. Mayo had several chances to draw level early in the second half and didnt. As a result they faded from the exertyion of getting back into the game and Donegal certainly did finish the stronger team. Sunday is a toss of a coin between two evenly matched teams. I do not go along with the opinion that Donegal have dropped back. Donegal geared up for the first round against Tyrone and they won. I think the focus of their preparation was then on the Quarter Finals and they got caught on the hop by a decent and in form Monaghan team that they under estimated. Monaghan are a good side and are having an excellent year. Donegal are a wounded animal anmd will be very dangerous opponents for Mayo on Sunday.

belmay (Mayo) - Posts: 172 - 31/07/2013 11:14:30    1448508

1448331 Donegal were the vastly superior team in last year's final and won pulling up. The game was effectively over at half time, Donegal eased up massively in the second half and that was reflected in the scoreline. However if Donegal had played with the same intensity for the entire 70 mins they would have won by double scores. I stll believe Mayo can't handle real hard intensive football and have a fragility that is often exposed at the business end level. However Donegal are carrying some injuries and they have looked a bit tired at times and that could be their downfall; a fully fit fired up Donegal would beat Mayo quite handily. Mayo won't win SAM if they do beat Donegal, they are not mentally or physically strong enough to beat 3 top teams in a row.

Ulsterman I seem to remember the All Ireland final slightly differently. There was 3 points in the Game at Halftime. Far from over me thinks and given the fact that May had reduced the deficit from 8 points to 3 Donegal were the Team happier to hear the half time whistle. Mayo had several chances to draw level early in the second half and didnt. As a result they faded from the exertyion of getting back into the game and Donegal certainly did finish the stronger team. Sunday is a toss of a coin between two evenly matched teams. I do not go along with the opinion that Donegal have dropped back. Donegal geared up for the first round against Tyrone and they won. I think the focus of their preparation was then on the Quarter Finals and they got caught on the hop by a decent and in form Monaghan team that they under estimated.

belmay (Mayo) - Posts: 172 - 31/07/2013 11:16:21    1448512

The Master as you said "Donegal deserved to win last years final" now can you leave it at that for the love of god.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 31/07/2013 11:18:38    1448518

Am I the only one thats getting a bit sick of listening to Jim McGuinness and James Horan.
Ive heard more out of the 2 of them in the last month than ive heard from Jim Gavin and Eamon Fitzmaurice all year.

johnterry (Galway) - Posts: 582 - 31/07/2013 11:27:20    1448530