This game has the potential to be the game of the round. if cork can utilise their old up and at them style of powerful direct line running this could be a very open old style game of football. we know what dublin will bring to the table high intensity counter attacking football. if cork can get on top physically around the middle which they are more then capable of doing with the men they have in the middle sector. this could be the result that blows the football championship wide open.cork by two for me. the old cork swagger and arrogance can beat the dubs. they will carry no fear into this tie and will feel as if they owe this to themselves and the memories of that all ireland triumph in 2010

lordthehiball (Westmeath) - Posts: 69 - 30/07/2013 08:22:15    1447142

cork will deploy a 13 men behind the ball wall for the dubs and conceed dublin the ball in their own half cluxton will need to be on his best form to get the overrated dubs home. cork by 3 as they have the better bench.

weebox (Tyrone) - Posts: 272 - 30/07/2013 09:03:36    1447164

I think it's a bit unfair for Cork fans that this match is on a Saturday evening in Dublin to be honest.

Regarding the game,something is not right in Cork and I cannot see them getting close to Dublin in truth.

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 30/07/2013 09:31:16    1447191

That's it exactly clondalkin, I've seen so many teams over the years come up to Croke Park against Dublin and play above themselves or Dublin miss a hatful of chances or the opposition score some amazing scores that on another day would end up in row z. It's not that I think Dublin can't enforce their game here, I just think Cork are able for that, ride the wave and finish strong

keithlemon (Australia) - Posts: 920 - 30/07/2013 09:58:34    1447203

I have just calmed down after Sunday's win for the hurlers and started to think about this one. Dublin are favourites but we have a chance. A lot of Cork people are blaming Conor Counihan for some of our inept performances (with some justification I might add). However, not all of the blame can be laid at his door.

What I think Counihan needs to improve on is: (1) sort out where he wants Aidan Walsh to play - he is not centre forward material and I don't think he is a full-forward either. He has the potential to be a great midfielder but it seems he is being sacrificed to include others (2) play Paddy Kelly- play him at centre forward. he makes us tick (3) stop always taking off the younger players when others are doing worse- Tom Clancy was withdrawn on Saturday when clearly Cadogan was having a stinker (4) play Ciaran Sheehan at wing forward-he is not a fullforward.

What Counihan cannot be blamed for: (1) the laziness of some players who don't track back enough (thinking of a few forwards in particular) (2) the amount of goal chances we miss (3) the amount of aimless kick-passing errors we commit when under no-pressure (4) erratic midfield performances-our players drift in and out of the games far too much (often when the damage was done).

If the players correct their bit, then we could win despite Counihan. If they don't we could get hammered.

bennybunny (Cork) - Posts: 3917 - 30/07/2013 10:27:27    1447245

Yeah watched Cork very closely against Galway (as I was there),and some of the forwards are lazy alright.Goulding for example needs to work much harder

ziggy32001 (Meath) - Posts: 8354 - 30/07/2013 13:05:21    1447506

I was at game. Clancy was injured. Big problem was halfback line wanting to attack all the time. Getting turned over and leaving a gap. They had 7 clear cut goal chances. Galway goalie very good. The subs steadied the ship. Pearce o Neil was very good. Sheehan much better when switched to half forward line. Galway much better then I thought they would be. Very good forwards. Galway much better up front then 'Meath or Tyrone .

marym (Cork) - Posts: 242 - 30/07/2013 13:50:52    1447584

Quirke

Cadogan Shields Cahalane
Loughrey Canty Kissane

O'Connor Walsh

Collins Kelly Sheehan
Goulding Hurley Kerrigan

If Cork play something like this and improve the things benny mentioned I definitely think Cork could win, I'd probably even have them favourites. I know Counihan isn't at fault for everything but to say his team selection is a bit crazy would be generous, the team he picked against Kerry in particular was ridiculous. I think he was closer to his best team against Galway but its as if having such a strong panel is actually a bad thing because he keeps leaving the stronger players on the bench. Cadogans form would worry me if I was a Cork fan though, and Walsh needs to be told to stop shooting from outrageous positions. Kelly should definitely be a starter (did he have an injury?) and Kerrigan, despite being a bit out of form, is a fantastic footballer. Sheehans a good ball winner but must be played closer to midfield.

CaisleanCnucha (Dublin) - Posts: 1379 - 30/07/2013 14:03:50    1447607

clondalkin

i have no doubt they will be up for it but you dont just flick a switch and it comes right,
we can only go by what we have seen all year in judging a match and on form dublin have played the better football,so i would see it as a backwards step if we dont win.surprise would be the wrong word dissapointment would be a better one

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 30/07/2013 14:57:36    1447688

Hill to say you would be surprised if we lost is a lie, no way are you that confident in our team after the Meath game that a defeat against a Cork team who are way better than Meath would surprise you

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 30/07/2013 15:19:50    1447727

Quirke
Cadogan Shields Clancy
Loughrey Canty Cahalane
O'Connor Walsh
O'Rourke Kelly Sheehan
Goulding Hurley Kerrigan

If we can get our midfield and half forward line attaching the Dublin half backs I think we will have a great chance.
Need to up our performance and the usual thing under Counihan is that we have no idea what kind of cork team will start and what performance they will put in, I think they will be well hyped up for the Dubs, but I thought they would have been well hyped up for Kerry in Killarney too.
If they can be within 2 or 3 points of Dublin at half time I think our stronger bench should make all the difference.
Would like to see Hurley get more of the ball and he can cause real damage if given enough ball.
Should be a cracker.

Kieran (None) - Posts: 118 - 30/07/2013 16:28:58    1447834

On what hill said , for me I will be majorly disappointed if we lose , and surprised also Why , because at beginning of championship I picked us to give Sam a right rattle , I picked Donegal and Mayo as our biggest threats ,I ranked Kerry as outsiders and Cork well lets just say they disappoint me more times than not ,
Now that we've played games have Cork done anything to change my mind , well no , can they be hot yes , can they be cold freezing more like it ,
Cork folk don't like to hear this but they've had IMO the best squad of players for last 5 -6 years , fabulous athletes , super footballers but don't deliver in championship as much as they should have , its only an opinion and of course Cork can win , I just don't think they will , Dubs by 5 pts due to hunger and younger legs .

Damothedub (Dublin) - Posts: 5193 - 30/07/2013 16:42:53    1447853

clondalkin

i said surprise was the wrong word already,dissapointed is the word i would use.
we have been playing at a far higher level all year then what cork have been producing so id be dissapointed if we dont produce the goods when it matters

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 30/07/2013 17:11:00    1447903

Agree with Damothedub a little here....

Think Cork have had a serious squad and have been underachieving. Dublin probably should have beat them in the semi in 2010, some generous frees given to Cork that day. But they won, and went on to lift Sam.

Ironically I felt they were quite laboured that year....and fell over the line. The previous three years I felt they left it behind them.

Sluggish this year so far...but well capable of turning Dublin over on their day. Fantastic squad. And the sight of that Blue Jersey will surely bring out a big performance!!!

JayP (Dublin) - Posts: 1772 - 30/07/2013 21:14:03    1448278

The build up to this game in some ways reminds me a little of when Dublin played Kerry in 2009. Dublin were then as now the form team and heavily fancied to beat Kerry and Cork like Kerry then are showing indifferent form. While we won't see startled earwigs Dublin should be on their guard big time because the Cork challenge is going to be ferocious. There is a massive performance coming in that Cork team and I have no doubt about it. I don't see this game as a foregone conclusion at all and either side could take it but it's going to be really close.

Kingdomson (Kerry) - Posts: 244 - 31/07/2013 11:11:17    1448503

The build up to this game in some ways reminds me a little of when Dublin played Kerry in 2009. Dublin were then as now the form team and heavily fancied to beat Kerry and Cork like Kerry then are showing indifferent form. While we won't see startled earwigs Dublin should be on their guard big time because the Cork challenge is going to be ferocious. There is a massive performance coming in that Cork team and I have no doubt about it. I don't see this game as a foregone conclusion at all and either side could take it but it's going to be really close.

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I expect that ferocious Cork challenge aswell I really do.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13655 - 31/07/2013 11:24:42    1448525

Don't know of anyone who thinks this game is a foregone conclusion, it's very hard to call! I've also read that Cork could 'shock' Dublin, where did all this come from? OK Dublin have shown a bit of panache in some of their games and this Cork team are a bit of an enigma, but definitely have the potential to blow a young team like Dublin away or anybody else for that matter, we'll see which Cork turns up.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8808 - 31/07/2013 11:26:26    1448527

I agree lads I'm very worried , I just keep getting that picture of Meath forwards getting in behind us for goal chances in the Leinster final and thinking if an average Meath forward line can do that to us what will an all Ireland winning forward line do to us.

clondalkindub (Dublin) - Posts: 9926 - 31/07/2013 11:34:50    1448539

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I agree lads I'm very worried , I just keep getting that picture of Meath forwards getting in behind us for goal chances in the Leinster final and thinking if an average Meath forward line can do that to us what will an all Ireland winning forward line do to us.

take a look at the cork v galway match last weekend it will help you sleep a bit better haha galway forwards ran a muck

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 31/07/2013 11:46:49    1448562

clondalkindub, there is real potential in the cork ff line, it must be said. They are potentially devestating, even without o'neill. If they can isolate the dublin fb line, particularly with the way your wing backs spend more time in the opposition half, then you could be in trouble. Cork simply have to win midfield or they are finished, but if they do, it could be a long day for your defence. Dublin should play a sweeper in this game.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 31/07/2013 11:54:12    1448570