realdub
This is Mayos to lose, Dublin are starting out as a team under a new management. Mayo have no excuse this year, if they bottle this one they've no one to blame but themselves, no stand out team in their way!

I think you will find the bookies have dublin have as not only the stand out team in their way, but the stand out team period. They are also showing the best form. I repeat, from that point, if they lose, then they will have bottled it.

You know Im right realdub. This 'cute dublin hoor' stuff doesnt wash. They are playing at home, they have no injury concerns, they have the stand-out squad and they are playing the best. If they manage to blow all that over the next 3 games it will have been 100% their own doing.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 23/07/2013 13:58:11    1439851

I would much rather be in Dublin's position. Donegal's squad is small and up to six of their key players are carrying injuries at the moment. At full strength, such as they were last year, I would back them against anyone but at half strength no.

MuckrossHead (Donegal) - Posts: 5028 - 23/07/2013 14:23:05    1439905

If an inexperienced team under new management with a new and very open style of play dying win the All-Ireland they will have bottled it!

Love it! So transparent!

Dublin might win the All-Ireland this year but probably won't so a certain poster is already getting ready to stick the boot in when they more than likely fail with talk of them bottling it. Sad in fairness.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13833 - 23/07/2013 14:32:21    1439925

MesAmis
County: Dublin
Posts: 6148

1439925 If an inexperienced team under new management with a new and very open style of play dying win the All-Ireland they will have bottled it!

Love it! So transparent!

Dublin might win the All-Ireland this year but probably won't so a certain poster is already getting ready to stick the boot in when they more than likely fail with talk of them bottling it. Sad in fairness.
...and him from a county that has bottled it over the years more than anyone else. He knows its Maigh Eo's to lose this year and is trying to take that attention away from them

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 23/07/2013 14:35:46    1439934

Nonsense mesamis, this crap about young teams and new management - we have already seen them performing, therefore these things are not an issue. They won the league and have been hammering everyone, how can they be untested exactly?
Whatis actually sad is the fact that so many dubs are afraid to acknowledge their position. If it were mayo I would be proud of our position - sitiing on top of the gaa world, no injuries, hammering in big scores and beating all comers, what more do you want?

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 23/07/2013 14:39:14    1439941

Culann, we have never bottled it, because we were never the favourite. To bottle it you need to be the clear favourite, like dublin are now.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 23/07/2013 14:41:42    1439944

Culann

I actuality disagree. I don't think Mayo have ever bottled an All-Ireland. They've just not been good enough. Same as if they don't win it this year it won't have been a case of bottling it just not being good enough. Same applies to Dublin or anyone. If you don't win you're not good enough. Simple as.

The whole talk about bottling is nonsense imo. It's a term used only to stick the boot in when a team is down.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13833 - 23/07/2013 14:42:27    1439947

TheMaster

"Hammering in big scores and beating all comers"

In the Champo Dublin are not the only team doing that. I, like most Dubs, acknowledge that we've a good chance this year but recognise that there are serious inadequacies in the team and that there are some excellent teams left in the Championship.

Your talk, and other people's talk, of teams bottling it is childish nonsense. If Dublin are good enough they'll do it, if they're not they won't. Same for Mayo, Donegal etc

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13833 - 23/07/2013 14:47:14    1439964

TheMaster
County: Mayo
Posts: 7827

1439941 Nonsense mesamis, this crap about young teams and new management - we have already seen them performing, therefore these things are not an issue. They won the league and have been hammering everyone, how can they be untested exactly?
Whatis actually sad is the fact that so many dubs are afraid to acknowledge their position. If it were mayo I would be proud of our position - sitiing on top of the gaa world, no injuries, hammering in big scores and beating all comers, what more do you want?

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We are fully entitled to give our view as we see it

If you think the is not genuine thats your problem

But speaking for myself... I've given you my honest opinion on Dublin in 2013

Youseem to think that several Dubs are deflecting away the hype... but in all honesty Meath did that for us...

They exposed our tactics... they bossed midfield and tore up our full back line

Meath are an average side... IMO it's still too early for this team

Who was the last manager to win Sam in his first season, playong brand new tactis and brand new players still soem as young as 19 years old with no experience

It all looks good for the future but we havent had an out and out test yet

We havent played another top 5 team as of yet... and going by our performance against Meath

This team is 100% not ready to go unbeaten from the 1/4 final... We could end up playing Donegal/Kerry/Mayo

I'd put my house on us coming up short given that scenario....

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20763 - 23/07/2013 14:50:16    1439970

I believe teams do 'bottle' it from time to time but its fairly obvious. They really have to be leading getting to the closing stages and then show a fear of the finish line in an obvious way like showing nerves or by making a stupid mistake when protecting a lead.

But I disagree with TheMaster that if a team who was the bookies favourite loses then they are automatically 'bottlers'. Bookies odds are based on past performances but its all about performing on the day that counts.

Under your hypothesis TheMaster, is it fair to say that Mayo will have 'bottled' it should they lose to anyone other Dublin? Seeing as they are 2nd favourites

benjyyy (Donegal) - Posts: 1435 - 23/07/2013 14:52:54    1439976

MesAmis
County: Dublin
Posts: 6150

1439947 Culann

I actuality disagree. I don't think Mayo have ever bottled an All-Ireland. They've just not been good enough. Same as if they don't win it this year it won't have been a case of bottling it just not being good enough. Same applies to Dublin or anyone. If you don't win you're not good enough. Simple as.

The whole talk about bottling is nonsense imo. It's a term used only to stick the boot in when a team is down.

I would consider a team losing an All Ireland after a few minutes bottling it - which happened against Ciarraí agus Dún na nGall in the last few years. Also, Maigh Eo had a great players like Mortimer and McDonald who just couldn't perform on the big stage. I'd say they bottled it. Also, the year the conceded the point when the goalkeeper/full back mistimed the hop against Meath was a fundemental mistake that cost them an All Ireland and I don't think that would have happened in a Connacht Championship match. I think the pressure got to them and they bottled it.

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 23/07/2013 14:54:39    1439980

TheMaster
County: Mayo
Posts: 7827

1439941 Nonsense mesamis, this crap about young teams and new management - we have already seen them performing, therefore these things are not an issue. They won the league and have been hammering everyone, how can they be untested exactly?
Whatis actually sad is the fact that so many dubs are afraid to acknowledge their position. If it were mayo I would be proud of our position - siting on top of the Gaa world, no injuries, hammering in big scores and beating all comers, what more do you want?

If you were a Dub you would prob be on here TheMaster pleading with everyone to understand that these players are only young and cant be expected to compete against an experienced side like Mayo who have already been in a final the previous year. know what is required of them and possibly could have the handiest route to an Allireland final since the back door was introduced.

Truth is if Mayo bottle it this year and a team of young Dubs consisting of minors and u21s win Sam , with new management and totally new style of play,
You should hang your head in shame. but you already know that.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 23/07/2013 14:55:54    1439983

23/07/2013 14:41:42
TheMaster
County: Mayo
Posts: 7828

1439944
Culann, we have never bottled it, because we were never the favourite. To bottle it you need to be the clear favourite, like dublin are now.

Its hard been the favourites when four times the resources and four times the population and more importantly four times the expectations. But talk is cheap... so for me its Mayo all the Wayo.

bluedubstar (Dublin) - Posts: 835 - 23/07/2013 14:59:17    1439990

Whatis actually sad is the fact that so many dubs are afraid to acknowledge their position. If it were mayo I would be proud of our position - sitiing on top of the gaa world, no injuries, hammering in big scores and beating all comers, what more do you want?

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Dublin will win the All Ireland this year.

Now!!

Are ye happy Master ?

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13655 - 23/07/2013 15:00:52    1439993

It would be better to be Dublin IMO. Why?

Dublin have come thru leinster again, and are injury free with a 3 week break to the quarter finals.
They are in the ideal position now, having gone thru the front door and confidence must be high.

Donegal have a game this weekend and face a laois team with their tails up. I would at the very best give our lads a 50/50 chance, as there has been issues with injury and fatigue all too apparent on sunday. They have had 3 very tough games, and even should the lads get thru this game, there will be a well rested provincial champion waiting for their big chance. The 6 day turnaround, and the possibility of playing the following weekend is not an advantage, no matter how u may spin it.

I hope the lads can make the quarters, and win lose or draw, they have given us something to be very proud of over the last 2 years.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3853 - 23/07/2013 15:03:14    1439996

Pointless thread this - a veiled attempt at gloating at Donegal.

Really can't understand the "Donegal are under more pressure than Dublin" arguement. Sure they are All Ireland champions but when you have to come through Ulster there is less expectation than the other 3 provinces because there is actual competition up there.

Dublin are league champions. As you said yourself - only beaten once this year. The carnival started with the Kildare win (not sure most of Dublin still realise they played Westmeath) and has rolled on and on with the hurlers now adding to the expectation. Paul Flynn's "kissing the badge to the hill" moment when he scored a point early in the second half of the Leinster Final is indicative of the pressure they bring on themselves but they remain hot favourites for the All Ireland and now that the royal baby has been born the world media spotlight turns back to them.

Real_Slim_Shady (Meath) - Posts: 153 - 23/07/2013 15:10:37    1440008

Sidenote - bottling it to me means failing to perform on the biggest of days and when you most need to perform - not merely losing a game you were favoutites to win!

Culann (Dublin) - Posts: 2306 - 23/07/2013 15:15:43    1440015

But I disagree with TheMaster that if a team who was the bookies favourite loses then they are automatically 'bottlers'. Bookies odds are based on past performances but its all about performing on the day that counts.

Under your hypothesis TheMaster, is it fair to say that Mayo will have 'bottled' it should they lose to anyone other Dublin? Seeing as they are 2nd favourites

If we were at full strength, and lost to a lesser team then I would agree that they probably bottled it, ruling out some crazy decision or terrible luck or whatever, then yes we would have bottled that game. Not sam though, because we are not favourites for sam. The reality is dublin are in the strongest position, by a distance. Mayo and donegal are carrying serious injury concerns, and kerry are lacking the legs late in the game, as we seen again against cork. They on the other hands are showing excellent form, are looking fit and hungry and things are going for them. When you consider all that, I would say they would probably have to bottle it to not come out with sam.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 23/07/2013 15:16:55    1440016

If Mayo lose this year after being in a final last year, management in place now for a while , very comfortable with what is required of them, experienced players knowing what to expect in a run up to a final (with hype and media) and a young Dublin team full of u21s and minors , under new management and new system win SAM.
I think we will know who bottled it.

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 23/07/2013 15:21:39    1440026

Culann
Sidenote - bottling it to me means failing to perform on the biggest of days and when you most need to perform - not merely losing a game you were favoutites to win!

No it isnt. How are you supposed to perform when you are against superior opposition? All things being equal it is them who will perform 99% of the time and there is nothing you can do about that, the other 1%, they will bottle it and the lesser team will be given the chance by the opposition. Dublin not winning sam this year is an example of such a situation...

I dont really get what mayo have to do with it. Their 4 best forwards are either injured or returning from injury, it is ridiculous to claim they are favourites in such a case. That also lessens the claim of one of dublin's rivals, and puts them even further ahead of the chasing pack.

TheMaster (Mayo) - Posts: 16187 - 23/07/2013 15:25:14    1440031