Yet another pointless debate by everyone and i include the 'experts'. Easy solution, just add on the time, sin e.

51longago (Mayo) - Posts: 2981 - 15/07/2013 11:47:41    1431910

It does take time and there is no doubting that. But Cluxton is just as entitled to take a free just as much as any other player and ref's must allow him time to run up the pitch. I thought the Sunday Game were actually nit-picking on this issue. Would anyone like to tell me how much longer the Meath goalkeeper took taking his kickouts than Cluxton?

seany16 (Dublin) - Posts: 1663 - 15/07/2013 11:58:12    1431926

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I doubt there'd be a massive difference in Kickout times as POR took a few short quick ones aswell. Overall Cluxtan was probably quicker, but thats due to so many being short with nearly no run up or setting the ball at all.

Jinxie (Meath) - Posts: 6347 - 15/07/2013 12:06:42    1431937

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Yet another pointless debate by everyone and i include the 'experts'. Easy solution, just add on the time, sin e.


Yup, just add on time. simple as that.

bluedubstar (Dublin) - Posts: 835 - 15/07/2013 12:10:13    1431943

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newman didnt have a dublin player in his face whie making his way to the free!!!
also newman didnt hve amelee happen while he was waiting to take a free


Hill,

All Im pointing out is the averages. In fairness to Newman, for 2 of the frees he took there were stopages too, one injury and one booking.

But incase your taking me up wrong, Im not complaining about Cluxton, never criticiesed him once, just putting the 13 mins for Newman into perspective as when its thrown out like that I can be made to look like its something more than it was.


thats fine i not slating newman either.
if you look at it honestly redmond and stafford took longer to take frees in their day for both counties then either of cluxton and newman yesterday

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 15/07/2013 12:13:21    1431953

I actually think Cluxton sometimes doesn't take long enough and thus "snatches" at a few kicks and they go way wide.

Most of the delays were for other reasons and it's up to the ref to add on the time, but sure you know yourselves GAA refs do a hard job and are above reproach.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12358 - 15/07/2013 12:14:46    1431957

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Yet another pointless debate by everyone and i include the 'experts'. Easy solution, just add on the time, sin e.

Time won't be added on unless they bring in a rule that allows for it! Placed ball kicking has always been a time consuming element to Gaelic Football and its hard to see that stopping!

seany16 (Dublin) - Posts: 1663 - 15/07/2013 12:17:38    1431958

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Yep they did and there was never an issue. I think the current game is over scrutinised these days.

Jinxie (Meath) - Posts: 6347 - 15/07/2013 12:17:38    1431959

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Yep they did and there was never an issue. I think the current game is over scrutinised these days.

definatly and it always seems to be mcstay leading these debates

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 15/07/2013 12:23:11    1431974

You cant win them all.

Pundits complained about the number of frees taken from the hands in recent years. Frees from the ground is a specialist skill and is good to see imo.

I thought some of his frees were outstanding, accounting for the pressure etc. And yes, of course it is a tactic to slow the game down, but if you concede a free you have to take what you get.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3846 - 15/07/2013 12:23:21    1431975

This issue first arose after the minute and a half it took Cluxton take the winning free against Kerry in 2011.

Obviously the ref cant be checking this all the time but I think if a free taker is taking a direct shot at goal there has to be a maximum amount of time set and if passed give a hop ball. Might be a bit tedious but it would hasten the likes of Cluxton to take his frees

woops (Kerry) - Posts: 2073 - 15/07/2013 12:23:48    1431978

What about a Free Clock for all free's in the opposition half. 45 seconds or its a throw up?

Just an option?

Obviously it theres a serious injury or booking or whatever it may be extended

Jinxie (Meath) - Posts: 6347 - 15/07/2013 12:26:11    1431983

Yet another pointless debate by everyone and i include the 'experts'. Easy solution, just add on the time, sin e.

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Completely agree.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13654 - 15/07/2013 12:28:03    1431989

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This issue first arose after the minute and a half it took Cluxton take the winning free against Kerry in 2011.


It arguably should of taking longer to take that free as a certain Kerry forward was unable to understand the required distance he was entitled to stand from a free taker!

seany16 (Dublin) - Posts: 1663 - 15/07/2013 12:31:21    1431996

Its a nonsense discussion in my opinion anyway ..

Fine it took Cluxton 8 minutes to take 7 frees .. And whatever you say jinxie , Even if Newman did take more .. He is still a forward .. he doesn't have to run 50 60 meters up the pitch before taking the shot ..

I, Like you am not having a go at Cluxton or Newman. I just think its pointless even talking about it. Its up to the refs to add time on.

I thought the lads on the sunday game should have focused more on what was a decent game. Its almost as if they looked for something to criticize.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13654 - 15/07/2013 12:31:30    1431998

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Agreed WaynoI.

I think they need to create a major talking point for football each week. Like focusing on the rows in the qualifier games rather than the games themselves.

I know where I was at the game yesterday, nobody was commenting on time taking by either free-takers.

On a side note tho, Is it Worht persisting with Cluxton on Frees, missed a good few of what should be bread and butter ones for him yesterday I thought. Id imagine Mannion is capable from the ground?

Jinxie (Meath) - Posts: 6347 - 15/07/2013 12:42:08    1432023

Would it be discussed today if SGame hadnt of highlighted it. Did anybody watching the game yesterday feel it affected the game, Kildare keeping everybody waiting the last day at start of second half probably warrented more questions about time being wasted ;)

AthCliath (Dublin) - Posts: 4347 - 15/07/2013 12:44:17    1432031

Most of the time was taken up by the mill caused by the Meath player screaming obscenities into Cluxton's face and trying to trip him up! My problem with Cluxton is bringing him up to take frees from 25/30 metres. Any forward should be capable of those sort of attempts.

hurlingdub (Dublin) - Posts: 6978 - 15/07/2013 12:48:28    1432044

On a side note tho, Is it Worht persisting with Cluxton on Frees, missed a good few of what should be bread and butter ones for him yesterday I thought. Id imagine Mannion is capable from the ground?

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He missed a few alright man yeah.

Is it worth sticking with him ? I would yea. Its amazing that in a team with such talent and strength in dept, The only one id trustfrom placed ball frees is our goalkeeper.

Paul hit two very simple ones yesterday but in a pressure cooker situation would I rather Stephen come up than Paul (Or anyone else for that matter)

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13654 - 15/07/2013 12:50:49    1432050

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Agreed WaynoI.

I think they need to create a major talking point for football each week. Like focusing on the rows in the qualifier games rather than the games themselves.

I know where I was at the game yesterday, nobody was commenting on time taking by either free-takers.

On a side note tho, Is it Worht persisting with Cluxton on Frees, missed a good few of what should be bread and butter ones for him yesterday I thought. Id imagine Mannion is capable from the ground?



mannion was the one calling cluxton up to take them shorter frees,he was not confident enough himself to kick them.
cluxton still got 3 i think yesterday.anywhere around the 4 yard line suits him perfect but ones from inside it and at an angle dont suit his style of kicking as he doesnt put a curl on them

hill16no1man (Dublin) - Posts: 12665 - 15/07/2013 12:52:19    1432053